Were they any good at CB?
The Packers wanted him so went to get him. I’m less concerned about giving up 2 4ths than I am about him being the best safety in a weak safety class. I just don’t know that he’s that good of a prospect but time will tell. Was hoping they’d take an OL or TE at 30.
michiganjoe posted:Gutekunst on why he felt need to trade and move up for Darnell Savage: "We thought he was an absolute difference maker. We didn't feel like it was a really deep group there. ... We didn't think we could sit at 30 and have him fall to us."
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) April 26, 2019
I had also heard that The Packers really wanted Savage and felt they had to make the move because the Chargers were also looking at him and would have grabbed him at pick #28, just before the Packer's #30 spot. Lots of post pick talk about Savage being compared to Earl Thomas and Nick Collins. This kid also ran a 4.36 40 either at the combine or at his college day. That's speed we haven't had in a long time. Savage should be able to cover the fastest receivers. I have to say I like this pick. Looking for OL at #44.
Its the same as the Clay Matthews trade-up... late riser, athletic, traded a couple picks to get him. Lots of folks questioned that deal too, saying they’d have been better off getting “value by waiting for these few guys”. But that’s just it- when you sit and hold for a certain value, and you don’t get “your guy” and settle for comps, you must not be convinced the guy was “the guy”.
Gutekunst obviously said “this is the guy- he's our next Nick Collins (and there are lots of similarities).” I’m good with that- I’d rather see decisive than shit show passive...
Henry posted:Were they any good at CB?
At this point in the draft, when Savage was picked at #21, no CB had come off the board. At the end of Round 1, all CBs were still on the board. Savage used to play CB before they moved him to S. I like this pick.
Less "like Nick Collins", maybe more like Jaire but as a safety. Those two should be quite a pair on the back end. Now they really need KK to step up and lock down the other boundary. He's the only guy back there with the length to contest toss ups to big receivers.
Pretty sure I'm gonna be reading about Nick Collins comparisons on this board 20 years from now. Dude was a damn good player, but we're not talking Ronnie Lott here.
I had a night to sleep on this pick. I feel better this morning. He may be a tad short for a DB but I read that he had a 40 vertical and he is fast and built like a RB so he can hit. So, we did need a FS and now we have one. I hope he pans out.
Another articulate, football smart kid. Love the pick...
I think he may have been the fastest safety in the draft. It's pretty clear GB is looking to add speed and range to the deep end of the defense. I like it as well.
Pakrz posted:I think he may have been the fastest safety in the draft. It's pretty clear GB is looking to add speed and range to the deep end of the defense. I like it as well.
I would like to see something similar in the WR corp, they are missing a speed guy, and could really use one.
Really looking forward to watching Amos and Savage play together. On paper they look like perfect compliments to each other. Been a LONG time since GB had that kind of athleticism at both S positions.
I've seen a lot of Savage comparisons to.... Damarius Randall. Had GB decided to play Randall at his natural position as the disclaimer. Can't help but see Bob Sanders when you watch his tape.
And both Amos and Savage are versatile, something Pettine has preached as critical in his scheme.
ChilliJon posted:I've seen a lot of Savage comparisons to.... Damarius Randall. Had GB decided to play Randall at his natural position as the disclaimer. Can't help but see Bob Sanders when you watch his tape.
Yeah I can see Bob Sanders. I think LaMarcus Joyner is another one that is similar I think Joyner is shorter though. It's the instincts and quick decision making that separate Savage from the rest...he reads quickly and attacks like a missile.
Pakrz posted:In fairness, the only thing any of us know about these players is what we read on the Internet. That includes all the assholes giving out draft grades. At some point we have to put our trust into the guys actually getting paid to evaluate players for a NFL franchise. Some dumdum like me that talks schit about Gary is irrelevant. We aren't qualified to even offer an opinion, much less evaluate these guys. It's fun though.
You hit it perfectly. We have to trust the professionals at the scouting, drafting,a and coaching thing. As I said in the other thread we need to look at mock drafts as something fun to do but the NFL pros don't go by mocks other than to dry run a draft. As you said we are all totally unqualified to evalute anyone because we see only a portion of what the player is like on draft highlights. The teams meet with these guys, meet with their coaches, etc. and we have to trust they know what they are doing.
I will say I am liking what Gute is doing with being all in to fix the defense. We have been bitching (and rightfully so) about the D for a while now and we finally have a GM who no shit is going to do whatever he can to fix that side of the ball. Will he be right in his moves? we will see but I gotta love it he is being aggressive.
Granted, they are the highlights, but I do like the way Savage looks like he's just gliding next to a receiver with no effort, but when the ball is in the air he is able to take one or two steps to make a play on the ball or hit the receiver. He does have a HB build, and seems like he likes to hit -- something HHCD avoided like the plague. (HHCD wasn't so much a matador as he was a turnstile, and a slow one at that.)
If Savage is like Jaire, then I could be very happy with this pick.
Biggest difference between HHCD and Savage (at least on tape) is that Savage takes really good angles to the ball. Once he commits he fully commits with speed. He misses some but he wins more than he doesn't. HHCD took a lot of bad angles. Or he opted to take a bad angle for a reason.
"I will say I am liking what Gute is doing with being all in to fix the defense. We have been bitching (and rightfully so) about the D for a while now and we finally have a GM who no shit is going to do whatever he can to fix that side of the ball. Will he be right in his moves? we will see but I gotta love it he is being aggressive."
Agreed. also, AR is getting older. Even if he excels he isn't likely to achieve the heights of 2011 again. Playing a more balanced game (O vs D; Run vs Pass) is the proven route to long term success. Having the ability to exploit the other team's weakness and challenge their strength is key. Instead of "we do what we do".
ChilliJon posted:Biggest difference between HHCD and Savage (at least on tape) is that Savage takes really good angles to the ball. Once he commits he fully commits with speed. He misses some but he wins more than he doesn't. HHCD took a lot of bad angles. Or he opted to take a bad angle for a reason.
HHCD: "Hey, watch coach! I'm running toward the guy to make a hit! ........ Oh, dang. Sorry, coach, I really thought I had him there but, man, that grass is long on that side of the field and it really slowed me down."
Pettine: "Get him outta here, Gute."
My life is better with Haha on another roster.
YATittle posted:My life is better with Haha on another the Bears' roster.
This play by Savage was incredible. Really had no business getting piece of this pass that turned into INT/TD https://t.co/EEe6cljL2U
— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) April 26, 2019
#Maryland S Darnell Savage...Run the alley & tackle. Downhill speed. #Packers pic.twitter.com/dVF3AuhZSt
— Matt Bowen (@MattBowen41) April 26, 2019
PackerPatrick posted:Tonight it feels like we gave up two fourth rounders for two second round players but picked them in the first round.
Well, they are fast...
Yes....Jerel Worthy "fast twitch" ...FAST
If these two picks can play, I am excited about this defense. The D showed some signs of righting itself last year, despite injuries and some glaring holes (safety and OL).
Clark, Daniels, Alexander, King and Martinez, add in the Smith brothers and Amos and now these 2 if they can play and a decent coach/system and I would be disappointed if they weren't a top 15 defense.
Grignon hit it right on the head:
"Playing a more balanced game (O vs D; Run vs Pass) is the proven route to long term success."
DH13 posted:Now they really need KK to step up and lock down the other boundary. He's the only guy back there with the length to contest toss ups to big receivers.
Rumor is they really like Isaiah Johnson who is tall and freakishly quick/athletic, especially for a long corner, but still somewhat raw. That would give them a lot of matchup flexibility, though.
If Josh Jackson figures things out this defense can be exceptional.
Yes they can be if he figures things out. And I keep thinking of what Pettine could pull off if his players are healthy. He had them actually competitive with the dregs he had to send out there after all of the injuries.
There is no depth even if all the ifs happen, which is why I wouldn't be surprised to see another DB picked tonight.
Sufferinginmn posted:Speed guy...um MVS
Yeah, I am not worried about speed at WR.
CUPackFan posted:He kind of reminds me of Nick Collins as in I hadn't heard of either of them when the Packers draft them, both ran 4.3's, and both are 5'11" 200 lbs. Hope it turns out the same!
So you want his career to end early from a neck injury? 
After the last couple years of safety play I'm really looking forward to the Savage Smash show.
Pakrz posted:Pretty sure I'm gonna be reading about Nick Collins comparisons on this board 20 years from now. Dude was a damn good player, but we're not talking Ronnie Lott here.
Well there aren't many Ronnie Lotts are there. But I will say this. If Collins had not gotten hurt and played as long I believe he would have a much better shot at the HOF than Leroy Butler does.
Collins had just hit his prime and may have been the best S in the league when he got hurt. He made plays and had incredible range.
If Savage is half the player he will be good. He can't be worse than Brice ir HHCD. The latter a guy who I think completely lost his nerve for the game. He won't hit anyone.
He can't be worse than Brunett can he? A guy who never made a play. So glad to have S retooled. Now I want production.
RatPack posted:Savage was compared to Micah Hyde by local sportscaster. Do we need a fast racist?
My inside sources have confirmed that no copies of Mein Kampf were found in Darnell Savage's dorm room. All clear.
DH13 posted:Now they really need KK to step up and lock down the other boundary. He's the only guy back there with the length to contest toss ups to big receivers.
Can teams draft body parts now? The guy is good when he's in but he sure is shaping up to be the Nick Perry of the backfield.
Savage compared to Micah Hyde? I don't get that comparison at all and I actually liked Hyde for the most part when he was here.
He's way faster than Micah