@packerboi posted:Still, with a new DC who specializes in DB's, I would be curious to see what Hafley would do with Darnell including putting him closer to the LOS.
Gute made an interesting comment when talking about the Safeties at his presser yesterday.
He said: " safety and slot corner are basically interchangeable these days"
Sounds like he's thinking the same as you - try Savage in that role ?
Nixon as the cover-1 S and Savage in the slot.
Savage is a decent backup. You donāt win championships with a guy who canāt tackle and struggles in coverage. Heās not a starter and he has no killer instinct.
@Satori posted:Gute made an interesting comment when talking about the Safeties at his presser yesterday.
He said: " safety and slot corner are basically interchangeable these days"Sounds like he's thinking the same as you - try Savage in that role ?
They already tried Savage in that role. He wasn't good.
Whether Savage is offered another contract relies on a few things, IMO:
-What does Hafley think of him and prospect moving forward
-what does Gute think the issues with his play are: talent v scheme
-what type of contract is Savage (his agent) looking for
-are there actual other suitors for his services
@Pakrz posted:14th ranked safety (If accurate) out of 64 starting safeties league wide. Hmmm... yea he sucks. Dump him.
Ranked by who? How PFF got this credibility is beyond me.
"I've literally sat in a meeting room with coaches and put the grades side by side.. A coaches grade and a PFF grade and they're not even close" ~ @JJWatt
https://x.com/PatMcAfeeShow/st...697186169573834?s=20
Also, as someone said above. Heās been in position to make plays, but he rarely makes the play.
@PackLandVA posted:-are there actual other suitors for his services
That's the biggest factor, IMO.
Maybe Hafley can "unlock" him but if the Pack keeps him, it should be at a reasonable price.
Savage would've made himself a whole lot more money if he didn't drop that Purdy INT.
In Dallas, I had to rewind the Pick 6 play like 10 times, I couldn't believe Savage actually made a play.
@BrainDed posted:How PFF got this credibility is beyond me.
"I've literally sat in a meeting room with coaches and put the grades side by side.. A coaches grade and a PFF grade and they're not even close" ~
Started off by a MIT grad from Ireland. Sitting with his buddies (50 drunks in a bar) he tried to explain American football as he knew it from his time in rhe states. He (Neil Hornsby) has since scrubbed the internet of their true origin/inception.
Based on what I've observed over the years:
Fast forward a couple years and he was using his grading system and writing up what he saw on each play. Not long after that he was able to get a couple teams to buy his written analysis. After a year or two Collinsworth became aware of them and became a large investor - could be he heard "teams" were using this info. (I cannot find any recent record of NFL teams still using their [PFF] data).
Collinsworth convinced his NBC bosses to use the PFF grades, and off they went. Now many in the media, doing what they do best, are using the data without understanding the sausage making process.
And there you have the JJ Watt comment.
Today
2020 Darnell Savage...
ā Eli Berkovits (@BookOfEli_NFL) February 20, 2021
This man gonna be a PROBLEM š¤#GoPackGo @darnellsavage_ pic.twitter.com/KcdqyzG3wS
Hmm....Now why would Savage repost a tweet from Feb 2021?
@Boris posted:Hmm....Now why would Savage repost a tweet from Feb 2021?
Tease. Or maybe he's showing what he could do two years ago and rarely does now. Or maybe he's saying to put him closer to the LOS and turn him loose. Or maybe he just couldn't put together more than a one-play reel from this year...
The guy probably just ran out of crystals playing Word Scape.
Or perhaps Goldie took over his account.
Or perhaps he IS Goldie
@Fandame posted:Tease. Or maybe he's showing what he could do two years ago and rarely does now. Or maybe he's saying to put him closer to the LOS and turn him loose. Or maybe he just couldn't put together more than a one-play reel from this year...
Maybe some early auditioning for another job? Seriously though, I've seen enough. I'd let him walk.
The weird thing about it is that his play IS a tease. He had a couple of games earlier this year when he was omnipresent and stuck his nose in for tough tackles, hustled, etc. And then he'd disappear. It's like he's on the edge of a breakthrough but then he backs away, afraid to fall into higher expectations. Now, the only thing I wonder is how much of that was due to Barry's play calls and what he wanted Savage to be and do? Almost every D player had the same thing happen: games of WOW! and then games of S***! It will be up to the new D regime to review every play by every individual player to see if it's the guy or if it was the scheme they were asked to play. I suspect we'll get a much better idea when we see who they keep, cut, let walk.
Rob Demovsky on Wilde and Tauche said this morning per his sources, the Packers are likely moving on from Savage.
Not exactly shocking news, but I did wonder if Hasely would try him at slot CB where many thought he would have faired better.
The defense our new DC is implementing, Savage is not a good fit at safety.
Would GB get a decent compensatory pick? š¤
Damn...I would have sworn given the importance of a fast safety in this defense, and the lack of available guys in FA and the draft they'd bring him back at least on a one year deal. For all his warts, Savage is still a burner.
Brian Gutekunst fixes his roster holes in bulk.
ā Ken Ingalls - Packers Cap š° (@KenIngalls) March 1, 2024
There are going to add several safeties this offseason - some via the draft, some from the veteran market.
@Chongo posted:Savage is still a burner.
Believe you meant burned. Time to move on.org from Below Average Savage
There are going to be some FA safeties available. A couple just got cut by eagles and saints for, I think, CAP reasons. Plus several others who will be entering FA if not re-signed by their current teams. I just don't know how good any of them are.
we need hub arkush opinion on Savage before I can feel confident. I remember his expert analysis when the Packers traded Haha and he eventually signed with the Bears while the Packers signed Amos who was a much inferior safety, Per the grand Poopa Hub.
@packerboi posted:The defense our new DC is implementing, Savage is not a good fit at safety.
Would GB get a decent compensatory pick? š¤
Depends on his new contract. They have a shot at a Comp'd 3rd and I would think at least a 4th rounder.
@Chongo posted:
I wonder if Gutey will take a shot at Kyle Dugger? Or if he fits in this defense, which I believe he would.
Coming out of the combine, ESPN's @JFowlerESPN believes Darnell Savage will get a "nice deal" in free agency. "Enough teams will like his first-round traits to give him a chance on a nice deal after he spent the past five seasons in Green Bay." https://t.co/fGNjZ7xvVF
ā Zach Kruse (@zachkruse2) March 3, 2024
Cracks me up teams look at "first round traits" in a player entering his 6th season. I love his traits too but they haven't lead to anything special in 5 years on the field. The rare safety who makes too many mistakes yet also doesn't produce many big plays.
He's a solid safety, borderline starter. You could do worst. Probably needs to be matched up with a upper echelon safety to limit his issues. To me, that's worth like $4m APY contract with little guaranteed. Sounds like he's going to get more than that so no thanks.
Like I said.... Savage will bring back at least a 4th rounder and possibly 3rd rounder for a comp pick.
Joe Barry was not using him correctly. Some other team will.
History of the league is littered with guys who have all the athletic ability in the world but can't put it together at the NFL level. My guess is Savage will end up being another one (seems to be well on his way).
GB has a terrible recent history of misusing DBs only for them to succeed elsewhere after free agency. I have a feeling Savage is the next one.
@Goalline posted:GB has a terrible recent history of misusing DBs only for them to succeed elsewhere after free agency. I have a feeling Savage is the next one.
You and Boris might be correct. It will be interesting to see if the new DC feels the same way, and if so, what influence he has on it with the GB front office.
@Pakrz posted:You and Boris might be correct.
Words that have never been strung together before for $1000 Alex
@Pakrz posted:You and Boris might be correct. It will be interesting to see if the new DC feels the same way, and if so, what influence he has on it with the GB front office.
Well, I always felt Gutey was drafting the wrong DBās for Barryās lame defensive system. Thatās not the case with Gutey and Haf. Those man coverage guys will be perfect in this system. Stokes and Valentine can now do what they do best.
@Iowacheese posted:Words that have never been strung together before for $1000 Alex
Yet another question you answered wrong. Minus a thousand for you, mofo.š
@Goalline posted:Well, I always felt Gutey was drafting the wrong DBās for Barryās lame defensive system. Thatās not the case with Gutey and Haf. Those man coverage guys will be perfect in this system. Stokes and Valentine can now do what they do best.
Except maybe he'll start drafting zone CB's. 
@Goalline posted:GB has a terrible recent history of misusing DBs only for them to succeed elsewhere after free agency. I have a feeling Savage is the next one.
If there is a way to coach a guy to learn how to play the ball better in the air and then catch it, Savage would instantly elevate to Pro Bowl level. I'm not sure that is coachable.
Maybe he needs glasses. Wasn't that Nick Collins problem?
@MichiganPacker posted:If there is a way to coach a guy to learn how to play the ball better in the air and then catch it, Savage would instantly elevate to Pro Bowl level. I'm not sure that is coachable.
He is not a safety. Heās a slot. I donāt know if heās necessarily a good one but heās better there than as a safety.
