Writing off Adams in his 2nd year when he was hobbled by an ankle injury most of the season is worse.
@CUPackFan posted:I like what the Packers did with Jennings, Jones, Nelson, Cobb and Adams. Gave them all a second contract then cut them free, letting the next young WR take over. Third contracts get expensive and usually cover a player's early 30's, when things start going wrong. Problem is, Packers didn't restock at WR like TT used to so if Adams leaves, they don't have a whole lot behind him. And I think they resign Adams to a huge deal because of that. And the contract will become an albatross by that third year when the cap hit is $30m+. Very few WRs have ever performed at a level to justify a 12% cap hit (estimating a $250m cap).
Agree with you, however, in terms of restocking, Amari Rodgers, MVS and Tonyan may beg to differ with you. See also Aaron Jones.
With almost zero depth behind him, they almost have to sign him.
Speaking of restocking, the Packers have been woeful the last 2-3 years.
It's not that they haven't tried; it's more like there has been modest (at best) development from draft picks and UDFAs.
I think everybody hopes MVS will finally overcome his dropsies, and they got lucky with Lizard. And they're the best of the lot.
The list of JAGs is long; Allison, St. Brown, Shepherd, J Moore, and Trevor Davis.
And another handful that have been on the PS.
Funchess is a wild card, and the new Rodgers offers hope.
I think Adams actually has more leverage the ARod in terms of getting a new contract. Not to say it's a lock, but do they want to open with MVS and Lizard as the starters? Or new Rodgers and one of those guys?
As p'boi said, Tonyan and Jones have the biggest potential to change the face of the team if Adams doesn't re-sign. Well, other than this pesky QB stuff going on...
Those guys were low round picks for a reason. That isn't trying.
@Henry posted:I don't know what's worse, Goalline posting in the wrong thread or Ammo responding to it.
Back off, bitch. We are brothers. We back each other through thick and thing. You wouldn’t get loyalty if it but you in the ass.
To answer your question, definitely Ammo responding to it. Pathetic!😅
Tweedle-Dee and ???
By the way, just cuz it was written in the wrong thread doesn't mean it's not true
@Timmy! posted:Agreed, CUPF.
I took a look at the contract details of starting Packers WRs for the last 10 years or so to see if there were any trends. And you are right; the majority (Cobb, Jennings, Jones, and, so far Adams) have been 4 years/4 years and gone.
Jordy was the only one to domino on a 3rd contract (4/4/3) since Driver, who remarkably signed 4 (3/5/4/3).
Unlike some of the others, I'm not sure Adams has even reached his prime yet. He's that good. He's the best WR we've had since Sharpe IMO. Giving him a 3rd contract to me is a no-brainer if you have the cap space.
I don't think it's Adams not hitting prime yet that's the issue; it becomes a matter of wear-and-tear and thus declining production as a guy hits 30. Look at Julio, AJ Green, B Marshall, et al, for example. It's a rare WR who can maintain their health AND production after 30 like Driver and Jordy did. If GB signs Adams to another contract, heavily front-load it or give him a fat, short contract. Anyway, cap space today is not there unless there are big changes -- the original Rodgers doesn't get what he wants and is off the payroll, being one.
I think Davante definitely has one more contract of elite play left in his career. Doesn't mean the Packers are gonna pony up but I won't complain if they do!
@Henry posted:Those guys were low round picks for a reason. That isn't trying.
Lots of guys were low round picks for a reason, at that time. Yet many have long and very productive careers. Same for many UDFAs.
Doesn't matter how you acquire them, just find football players. Wolf, Thompson, and based on early indications I'll include Gutekunst, all mined talent better than most of their peers.
Welp. Maybe he's not going anywhere after all..
Report: Davante Adams 'Expected' to Talk 'Massive' Contract; 'a Priority' for Packers
Signing Pro Bowl wide receiver Davante Adams to a contract extension is reportedly a "priority" for the Green Bay Packers ahead of the 2021 NFL season.
ESPN's Jeremy Fowler reported Thursday on SportsCenter that Adams, who's entering the final season of a four-year, $58 million contract, is expected to get a "massive" new deal:
"Davante Adams and the Packers are expected to try to come to an agreement on a massive contract extension. He will likely be the highest-paid receiver in the league at some point. Most evaluators I talk to believe he is the very best at that position right now. So, he's a priority for the Packers, whether Aaron Rodgers is the quarterback or Jordan Love. The problem is Rodgers' contract has been an albatross for that team, it's hindered them from doing some other contracts and things they want to do with the team-building standpoint. So, they've got to shake that out first. They're willing to give Rodgers probably whatever he wants right now."
Derek Carr may wanna hold off on that fruit basket for Adams.
Clearly the front office has not been seeking the advice of our resident experts.
@PackerHawk posted:Clearly the front office has not been seeking the advice of our resident experts.
Yep, including my clueless ass as well. If this is true and he gets a mega-contract, I don't know how they do that and keep AR in 2022 plus look to extend #23, etc.
Then again, what the hell do I know.
@PackerHawk posted:Clearly the front office has not been seeking the advice of our resident experts.
More evidence of their cluelessness?
@H5 posted:Lots of guys were low round picks for a reason, at that time. Yet many have long and very productive careers. Same for many UDFAs.
Doesn't matter how you acquire them, just find football players. Wolf, Thompson, and based on early indications I'll include Gutekunst, all mined talent better than most of their peers.
Right, shotgun approach and the best you come out with is a one trick pony who is still questionable when catching the ball and a UDFA that may be a decent #3.
I hope Amari Rodgers explodes because that kind of production is needed.
Not really seeing the mined talent here in regards to Gunt. For example, Sullivan getting absolutely torched in the NFCC.
He's made some solid picks with Alexander, Jenkins (Hendrickson) and possibly Dillon. Good FA moves but he's got a lot of garbage sitting around as well.
Signing Adams makes more than good sense because he may have not even played his best ball yet. If that valuation isn't clear vs. the fucking build for the future cap pinching, "playoffs are good enough" bullshit then again just more reason for the dopes in the FO to be shit canned.
Brandt stated there's always ways to work the cap. If Rodgers turned down some mega deal in lieu of assurances I highly doubt his contract in the first couple years would strap the cap more. IF he comes back.
@packerboi posted:Derek Carr may wanna hold off on that fruit basket for Adams.
It's not a basket. It's a hat.
@Goalline posted:Quoting from Profootball Talk? Whoa, are you desperate!
I guess you shamed him into retracting that quote.
@Goalline posted:Quoting from Profootball Talk? Whoa, are you desperate!
I deleted it so you girls wouldn't get the vapors.
Here you go.
Mark Murphy: “We’re not idiots. Aaron Rodgers will be back.”
It's hilarious because it's from PFT, particularly Florio.
Unless Love was a Garoppolo-style pick aimed at lighting a fire under Rodgers, the Packers drafted Love with the idea that he’d eventually play. If the Packers want Rodgers to commit to them for 2021, it would be smart to give Rodgers a commitment for at least 2022 and 2023.
Even an idiot can figure that out.
Apparently Idiot WMM cannot figure that out.
@packerboi posted:Welp. Maybe he's not going anywhere after all..
Report: Davante Adams 'Expected' to Talk 'Massive' Contract; 'a Priority' for Packers
Signing Pro Bowl wide receiver Davante Adams to a contract extension is reportedly a "priority" for the Green Bay Packers ahead of the 2021 NFL season.
ESPN's Jeremy Fowler reported Thursday on SportsCenter that Adams, who's entering the final season of a four-year, $58 million contract, is expected to get a "massive" new deal:
"Davante Adams and the Packers are expected to try to come to an agreement on a massive contract extension. He will likely be the highest-paid receiver in the league at some point. Most evaluators I talk to believe he is the very best at that position right now. So, he's a priority for the Packers, whether Aaron Rodgers is the quarterback or Jordan Love. The problem is Rodgers' contract has been an albatross for that team, it's hindered them from doing some other contracts and things they want to do with the team-building standpoint. So, they've got to shake that out first. They're willing to give Rodgers probably whatever he wants right now."
Derek Carr may wanna hold off on that fruit basket for Adams.
Can’t remember who it was, maybe Greg Cossell, said that the two biggest things that will convince Rodgers to return will be the pressure from fans and teammates. That’s not to say his teammates will pressure him to return, but if your principled stand is impeding other guys getting paid then that will be an issue. Rodgers needs to do something with his contract to reduce his cap number otherwise he could be forcing Davante and Jaire (and other lower earners like MVS, EQ, Tonyan, etc.) to play on 1 year deals. Would be really shitty if Davante popped an ACL in camp BEFORE he had his guarantees in place only because Rodgers is mad at management. Not saying that’s happening, but that kind of scenario could play into Rodgers getting his shit figured out sooner. Either retire or return, either way let GB have some money to treat your teammates right…isn’t that the whole point of this?
No, it isn't. I like how you put everything on Rodgers instead of the dopes who created the problem.
Sure, there are usually repercussions when you do something stupid.
Sorry Davante and Jaire, but you may just have to play on 1 year deals, at risk to your careers, because Murph did something stupid and I have to make him pay. I can’t renegotiate my contract to create cap space, it’s a principle issue, you get it. Solid logic. 🙄
This is largely a mess of WMM's making, and now he's trying to save face with his aww shucks corn-pone act that "well we tried to make him the highest-paid player in the league what more can we do?!!"
And Gunt, GM-in-Name-Only is doing what he does, watching film and drafting players.
Gunt is at best boob-adjacent. WMM is the big tit.
Your fairy tales are the best.
They could always cut him or trade him. According to you Rodgers holds all the cards. I heard he didn't have any leverage.
@Grave Digger posted:Sorry Davante and Jaire, but you may just have to play on 1 year deals, at risk to your careers, because Murph did something stupid and I have to make him pay. I can’t renegotiate my contract to create cap space, it’s a principle issue, you get it. Solid logic. 🙄
Wait, is it about principle or about people? Beautifully mysterious.
It's whatever makes your tummy fuzzy as a fan.
@vitaflo posted:Unlike some of the others, I'm not sure Adams has even reached his prime yet. He's that good. He's the best WR we've had since Sharpe IMO. Giving him a 3rd contract to me is a no-brainer if you have the cap space.
@Fandame posted:... It's a rare WR who can maintain their health AND production after 30 like Driver and Jordy did.
Once I saw that the norm was a new 4 year contract after their rookie deals expired, it seemed to me that the Packers must've realized what they had in Jordy to sign a 3rd with big bucks.
Adams could very well be viewed the same way.
@PackerHawk posted:I guess you shamed him into retracting that quote.
Right! Such a pussy! Hey Henry. Give me that pink feather.
It’s just surprising he doesn’t care about his teammates, thought it was about people. GB wants to make Adams the highest paid at his position, seems like they care about that person. 🤔
@Grave Digger posted:It’s just surprising he doesn’t care about his teammates, thought it was about people. GB wants to make Adams the highest paid at his position, seems like they care about that person. 🤔
He hasn’t missed a meaningful down yet.
Our receivers have missed critical time with our possible new QB1 because there’s no money to sign their possible extensions. They’ve stayed away from voluntary activities because they have no security. I imagine if Jordy or Kumerow’s extensions were on the line Rodgers would have taken a pay cut to get them security, because it’s about people…
Tell the one about how The Wizard WMM, Mr. Numbers and the hero Otto QB with his comedy relief sidekick stooge Guntman saved Packers fans from the Bad Feely Monster next.
Your nicknames are getting way too abstract, I have no idea what you’re talking about. Can you make a flow chart of how you get from actual names to nicknames? Or maybe some kind of key that I can refer to when the nickname is unclear?