Seems like a pretty fair trade straight up. Switched to bullpen this year, gave up 3 runs in 7 games, 10 innings with 11 K, 7 BB. Both players had been struggling and working their way out. Faria has a plus fastball and changeup, and a good ground ball righty out of the bullpen, with starter experience. Could be good.
Jesus was out of options and they got something for him rather than letting him go.
It's hard to carry a backup 1b who has no position flexibility and is out of options on the 25. Good trade.
One thing is for certain, Tampa really seems to like anybody that plays first base for the Brewers. Last year it was Ji-Man Choi, this year Aguilar. Maybe next year Thames gets shipped out there.
Per Ken Rosenthal
Drew Pomeranz for Mauricio Dubon. Pomeranz has struck out six batters over 4 2/3 scoreless innings as a reliever and hasn't allowed a single hit. Brewers also get hard throwing RHP Ray Black. Black had 12.7 SO9 last year and 22.5 SO9 this year.
and Ray Black ????? a little more experience in the bull pen
when they said San Francisco, I thought maybe Madison Bumgarner
Those two moves are all about the bullpen. Just added three arms there today. Maybe they are looking to use Faria as a SP...
Skully, I wouldn't doubt if they work more trades with SF looking at these moves. Maybe not.
Check out Black's changeup....
https://twitter.com/12thOffThe...629808673153026?s=20
Dude also pumps a 99.1 mph heater - and that's his AVERAGE heater. Black also has 5 years of control. While Dubon might have been our 3rd best prospect, he was still not a Top 100 player.
Ray Black was the prize of this trade, but Pomeranz has been lethal over the past two weeks in relief for SF. Solid arms to give Hader a break.
Astros get Greinke.
They now have three #1 starters (probably 3 of the top 10 starters in MLB) with ERAs under 3.00 and with WHIPs at 1.00 or below. Verlander is a Hall of Famer right now, Greinke has at least a chance, and Gerrit Cole has been a three time all-star.
Verlander makes 28 million, Greinke makes 34.5 million, and Cole makes 13.5 million. That's 76 million for those 3 starters.
The Brewers have 21 pitchers on the active roster or injured reserve. Those 21 players make about 47 million. 17 million of the 47 million is on the DL. That means that their currently active 14 pitchers together make less than Greinke and about what Verlander makes.
https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/mi...kee-brewers/payroll/
But the economic system in baseball is just fine.
EC Pack posted:But the economic system in baseball is just fine.
The main reason the Brewers are competitive is that they've arguably been very judicious in handing out big contracts. Grandal (16 million), Moose (7), and even Braun (19) and Cain (14) have produced enough to justify their contracts.
But the biggest reason is that they have a guy that should be making what Bryce Harper and Machado are making under contract for 3 more years at under 15 million a year (and only 9.75 million this year). WTF was Jeter thinking?
Looks like Houston is all in.
No top line starter... and they haven’t sold anything. They’re not inspiring anything with today’s deals, though I think the BP will be better.
These are moves that would have been great in June. Too late IMO...
I hope you’re wrong.
I’ve put sports in more of a box that I enjoy when my teams thrive, and when they don’t, Che sera sera.
I think Mike McCarthy did that to me.
I've enjoyed this, but, seeing the injuries hit us this season has been a tough ride. However, I like what Stearns did... wish he could have gotten Mike Leake. Oh well, as Stearns had mentioned, the price for starters was high, high, high.
So one of the few here able to stay up for the west coast series....man, is Oakland a sad venue...guy beats a drum like it’s Venezuelan Double A ball, people are in parkas and you can hear individual shouts from the 12 drunks in the stands.
And a needed win! One game out of first Music City....
Yeah, it was a win. But they gotta start stacking them. Need to get hot and build some momentum.
Will they start playing better ball with the deadline gone knowing they’re going to go with this squad? It’s happened before I think...
I sense they have some pretty good camaraderie, and that counts for something.
Lyles actually looked very good. Mixed his pitches and really had the A's fooled with that overhand curve.
Still cringe when Albers comes in, but should probably save that for Jeffress....he's bad right now.
Nice win.
Yeah, Lyles looked great and so did Albers. I know what you’re talking about w the cringe, but he’s been really good. Jeffress has been rough. They needed that win and August-October is a great time to get hot.
Amazing that HOU payroll.
The camaraderie is solid on this team and the core is in tact. I’m thinking Stearns’ adds to our pitching staff might be enough to make a run at it.
Well, no one is running away with it, that’s for sure. The Brewers have better baseball in them- we’ve seen it. They’re just struggling to actually do it. If they catch their stride, and guys start pitching the way they should be capable of, they could have a run in them. But ****... we’ve been waiting an awfully long time for them to get it going.
No matter who wins it, someone will eventually play the Dodgers. And lose.
If they make a run at it, it will be an improbable one. Was my original thinking when I mentioned that. The Brewers went on the cheap, and I can't blame them a whole lot. Of course starters, especially adding an Ace at that, the price was going to be high. Leake would have been a rock solid add at a far lower cost than Greinke.
The #1 thing the Brewers need to do if they want to take another step is figure out how to turn Corbin Burnes into what Woodruff became this year. I don't think any fan or member of the Brewers org ever expected Burnes to be anywhere close to being as awful as he was this year. They've got to get that guy straightened out to help stabilize the starting staff.
If he doesn't turn it around, the organization is in a little bit of trouble as there is nobody else in the upper levels of the minors that has Top Of Rotation type potential. I suppose you could still hold out hope for Jimmy Nelson as he truly was a TOR guy before his injuries, but he just doesn't look like the stud he once was.
I’m ok with giving Nelson another year to come back from Surgery
fightphoe93 posted:The #1 thing the Brewers need to do if they want to take another step is figure out how to turn Corbin Burnes into what Woodruff became this year. I don't think any fan or member of the Brewers org ever expected Burnes to be anywhere close to being as awful as he was this year. They've got to get that guy straightened out to help stabilize the starting staff.
If he doesn't turn it around, the organization is in a little bit of trouble as there is nobody else in the upper levels of the minors that has Top Of Rotation type potential. I suppose you could still hold out hope for Jimmy Nelson as he truly was a TOR guy before his injuries, but he just doesn't look like the stud he once was.
I am also, but I also don't think there is much evidence he is a #1 top of the rotation starter. He has had one good year (actually 2/3rds of a year). He was 12-6 with a 3.49 ERA and a WHIP of 1.25. Even that, while good, isn't top of the rotation numbers. If that was the beginning of him figuring it all out and he was going to continue to get better, then maybe. But that's a big if.
Other than that year, he's got a 21-39 career record in 450 innings pitched with an ERA of 4.50 and a WHIP of 1.42.
He's probably a good middle-of-rotation guy who can eat up some innings and keep you in ball games if he gets healthy.
Last year was ligtning in a bottle in terms of everything going right in the bullpen. Chacin was great and Miley was under-appreciated for his end of year performance. But they got as far as they did because the bullpen was absolutely lights out. That's not happening this year, other than Hader until recently.
The other playoff years in the last 30 years have been driven by top of the line starters. In 2008, they had Sheet and Sabathia. In 2011 they had Greinke and Gallardo (near his peak). Those types of guys cost money. The Brewers don't have a pitcher making over 8 million a year.
Right now, the Brewers rank 23rd in spending on the pitching staff.
There are also 84 pitchers (58 starters) making more than Chacin is, and Chacin is their highest paid guy.
To put in bluntly, they didn't spend enough on pitching and their bullpen doesn't have about 4 guys who combined made less than 7 million pitching at an all-star level like they did at the end of last year (Hader, Jeffress, Burnes, and Knebel).
I wonder if they fast track Ethan Small...?
Totally agree with you MP2. Brewers didn't allocate enough resources there, and they are paying for it now. Bigtime. We needed and Ace LAST year.
El-Ka-Bong posted:I’m ok with giving Nelson another year to come back from Surgery
Eric Sogard has a 258 OPS+ with the Rays
What the what? Really Brewers?
wow! They hung on for the w.
Hader getting hit hard again.
Hader gets out of it.
Whew! Yelich sending his 2nd HR of the night into the River was huge! Some cushion. 4 game losing streak over.
Timpranillo posted:Eric Sogard has a 258 OPS+ with the Rays
Good place for him
Sogard has hit 12 HRs in 342 plate appearances this year at age 33.
He hit 11 HRs in 1743 plate appearances in his career prior to this.
The Brewers pinch hit Travis Shaw instead of Yelich with guys on base in the 9th. Unless Yelich is in traction, he needs to get that AB.
Albers gets out of it in the 9th, but he made it interesting.
They tried losing this one too. Wow! Wild finish.
Can’t say I recall seeing an obstruction call like that before. A gift by PIT.
Well, when Albers came in, first two pitches were called balls but were strikes. That set the tone...
Albers really hung tough! Really great pitching by the Brewers all around. Chase Anderson 2 runs or less in last 9 outings. Faria and Albers brought it home.
I hope Cain is OK.
Music City posted:Well, when Albers came in, first two pitches were called balls but were strikes. That set the tone...
Saw that.
Embarrassing for Joe West . He looked elderly out there.
Devin Williams? Nice call up! Just cranked his 3rd MLB K on some high 97 heat! Hoping he pops his 4th here to end the 7th
How about Keston Hiura with his 1st multi HR game? Phenomenal. KesDaddy has impressed the F outta me.
... Ach! Williams threw a great breaker and dude just excuse me-d it to score a run. Too bad. It was a great pitch low. The kid looks good.
Fireball Freddie to finish this one out. Beautiful job! Peralta’s heater & breaker both on point. Nice sweep! Beat PIT 12 out of 16 on the year.
