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Actually, it was Bart that made the call, and it was on 3rd down at the 2 ft line, on an ice rink, and Starr was 5 of 5 on the drive. Pat Summerall apparently told the TV guys to look for a roll out and pass in the flats. GB had no TOs and only 16 seconds, so a run was not expected. 

Different circumstances, all together.

Hungry5 posted:

Actually, it was Bart that made the call, and it was on 3rd down at the 2 ft line, on an ice rink, and Starr was 5 of 5 on the drive. Pat Summerall apparently told the TV guys to look for a roll out and pass in the flats. GB had no TOs and only 16 seconds, so a run was not expected. 

Different circumstances, all together.

Agreed different.  But being short on that sneak likely means losing the game.  Why not kick the field goal for the tie?  Why risk losing?  Play to win!  If there is one serious disorder in MM thinking it is his tendency to play not to lose rather than playing to win.  Two years in a row it has ended our season.

YES.

The odds are better going for one 2 point conversion than they are for making the PAT and winning on the road in OT.

The Packers had been 4/6 in 2015 going for 2pts. The league average is just under 50%. Something like 49.4%. 

The league average making the PAT is 94%. The odds of the away team winning in OT is 44%. Making both those things happen is 41%.

I'll take 49% odds over 41% odds. And I would have run the ball v. passing it.

“The two-point conversion was definitely an option,” McCarthy said Monday in his season wrap-up press conference. “But it wasn’t the right option.”

“I understand how analytics plays into game management,” McCarthy said. “But from my viewpoint you look at the numbers, but you also have to take in the flow of the game and things that were going on in the football game.”

McCarthy said he liked how well his defense had played up to the point and said he had “great confidence in stopping Arizona’s offense.”

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“Frankly where we were as far as our young guys at receiver and the two-point plays we had available, I wasn’t comfortable with those particular calls,” McCarthy said.

titmfatied posted:

“I understand how analytics plays into game management,” McCarthy said. “But from my viewpoint you look at the numbers, but you also have to take in the flow of the game and things that were going on in the football game.”

McCarthy said he liked how well his defense had played up to the point and said he had “great confidence in stopping Arizona’s offense.”

“Frankly where we were as far as our young guys at receiver and the two-point plays we had available, I wasn’t comfortable with those particular calls,” McCarthy said.

In yesterday's Miller Lite football show, Wilde confirmed that Randall Cobb was the target of most of the 2 pt conversion plays they had in their playbook.  They would have been asking Janis and Abbredaris to assume roles that they had limited exposure to at best.  I'm not sure it makes me feel better, but I understand a little more.

It is understandable. 

But still lacks some credibility seeing as just 6 days earlier a 2 point conversion was attempted and completed with Abby as the target.

It has been well documented that when Abby was on the field he played in Cobb's normal position and it is likely that is the reason Abby was on the receiving end of the 2 point play in Washington.

1. If Cobb is the main target for 2 point plays and Abby only/mostly plays in Cobb's position, Abby must have some familiarity with that role in the two point plays.

2. The Packers completed a 2 point conversion less than a week earlier, in a playoff game, with Abby as the target.

titmfatied posted:

McCarthy said he liked how well his defense had played up to the point and said he had “great confidence in stopping Arizona’s offense.”

I don't know what game he was watching.  If it were not for the interceptions ARZ would have won outright in the second half while rolling up 213 yards.  Just saying .......

Ghost of Lambeau posted:
titmfatied posted:

McCarthy said he liked how well his defense had played up to the point and said he had “great confidence in stopping Arizona’s offense.”

I don't know what game he was watching.  If it were not for the interceptions ARZ would have won outright in the second half while rolling up 213 yards.  Just saying .......

If it were not for the interceptions we dropped--particularly Shields with 4 minutes left and a wide open sideline for a TD--Green Bay would have won outright.  Just saying....

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