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The Packers have been a legitimate Super Bowl contender for the majority of seasons during the last 27 years or so. During that time, they've had the following guys that have made or will make the Hall of Fame.

Favre, Rodgers, Charles Woodson, and Reggie White

The only other guys with chances to get in are LeRoy Butler and eventually Bakhtiari.

The problem they have getting more guys in is that they've only won 2 Super Bowls in that time. If they've have won 2 or 3 with either Favre or Rodgers (or both), maybe some of the offensive lineman on those teams start to get more consideration. They've had 3 offensive lineman make more than one Pro Bowl in that era: Bakh (2 plus likely this year), Josh Sitton (3), and Marco Rivera (3). Jerry Kramer made 3 Pro Bowls in his career. We all love Kramer, but if instead of playing on one of the most famous teams in NFL history, he plays for a team that wins one title (or none at all) he doesn't even enter the HOF conversation. That's what OL need and I think Bakh is likely to eventually fall short as well because of it.

Let's say you need to make at least 3 Pro Bowls to even get into the HOF conversation. I know Pro Bowls aren't always reflective of actual play, but they are a popularity contest just like the HOF so they are a good measure for that. 7 other Packers (outside of Favre, Rodgers, Woodson, White, Sitton, Rivera, and Bakh) have made 3 or more Pro Bowls in the Favre/Rodgers era. They are

CM3 (6), Ahman Green (4), Collins (3), Franks (3), Chmura (3), Adams (2 + this year), Driver (3), and Sharpe (3).

Do any of these guys ever get in? Adams would need another 4-5 years at this level. I doubt CM3 or Green ever get in.

I think 69 has a shot if he stays healthy for a couple more years.  The HOF does need to install some players other than the glamour guys.  

Personally I think that in this era  of high flying, wide open, O favoring  football in the NFL they should to some extent devalue wide recievers a bit.

After all, blocking and tackling wins football games.

I believe the HoF electors now place more value on All Pro selections than Pro Bowls (and should). There are only 2-4 All pros at any position in any season. Guys selected multiple times clearly show they are much better than the field and are. at average, on par with guys having career years. 69 has made All Pro 4 years running.

The Pro Bowl is an exhibition that plenty of players have been opting out from for 30 years now. "He doesn't suck and he'll show up" seems to be the criteria for selection as a Pro Bowl alternate.

They usually give the ticket holder the choice. They always make you pay for all possible home playoff games upfront and then you can get a refund or apply to next year if any games are not played

They changed that 2 or 3 years ago. It's all "pay as we play" now. You pay for the first game then as any other games come up you get charged for them too. All electronic ticketing for the playoffs.

Jerry Kramer made 3 Pro Bowls in his career. We all love Kramer, but if instead of playing on one of the most famous teams in NFL history, he plays for a team that wins one title (or none at all) he doesn't even enter the HOF conversation.



I don't agree with this.  Even with all the games he missed due to a broken ankle and his intestinal issues he was still named the best guard in Pro-Footballs 1st 50 years.  I think it was all the crap that went down with his family along with some comments from Jerry himself about the Hall selection that caused the HOF delay.

@ammo posted:

I don't agree with this.  Even with all the games he missed due to a broken ankle and his intestinal issues he was still named the best guard in Pro-Footballs 1st 50 years.  I think it was all the crap that went down with his family along with some comments from Jerry himself about the Hall selection that caused the HOF delay.

I'll happily defer to people that saw him play. I was born in 1969 so never have seen anything other than what's available on old video.

How much of that notoriety for the first 50 years team was due to his book and the fact he was playing on one of the most famous teams in history?

For most of his time in Green Bay, you could argue he was just the third-best lineman on the team. Forrest Gregg remains one of the best OTs in history and Jim Ringo is also in the HOF.

In his favor, you could argue that he made Gregg even better. More importantly, the signature Lombardi play was the sweep and both of the iconic photos of the Packer sweep from those days that rank among the most famous in NFL history (both Taylor and Hornung) have Kramer leading the way. He was the key guy on the signatue offensive play that defined the Packers of that era and on the sneak in the Ice Bowl.

How The Lombardi Sweep WorkedJerry Kramer Belongs In The Hall Of Fame | TITLETOWN SOUND OFF

I'll happily defer to people that saw him play. I was born in 1969 so never have seen anything other than what's available on old video.

How much of that notoriety for the first 50 years team was due to his book and the fact he was playing on one of the most famous teams in history?

For most of his time in Green Bay, you could argue he was just the third-best lineman on the team. Forrest Gregg remains one of the best OTs in history and Jim Ringo is also in the HOF.

In his favor, you could argue that he made Gregg even better. More importantly, the signature Lombardi play was the sweep and both of the iconic photos of the Packer sweep from those days that rank among the most famous in NFL history (both Taylor and Hornung) have Kramer leading the way. He was the key guy on the signatue offensive play that defined the Packers of that era and on the sneak in the Ice Bowl.

How The Lombardi Sweep WorkedJerry Kramer Belongs In The Hall Of Fame | TITLETOWN SOUND OFF

If the sweep was to the left side, Fuzzy led the way with Jerry at his side. One of the best plays in Lombardi's arsenal.

@Boris posted:

Tonyan is an RFA. No way they let him get away but it's possible the Packers could tender him and some other team finds him worthy of a high draft pick to sign him to a contract.

@PackerHawk posted:

Tonyan is an RFA. No way they let him get away but it's possible the Packers could tender him and some other team finds him worthy of a high draft pick to sign him to a contract.

My understanding is if we offer him 110% of his previous contract that if he negotiates a deal with another team we can:

  1. Match the offer and keep him.
  2. Let him walk and be rewarded the other teams 1st round pick.

He's not going anywhere and it won't be a bank breaking deal.

@BrainDed posted:

My understanding is if we offer him 110% of his previous contract that if he negotiates a deal with another team we can:

  1. Match the offer and keep him.
  2. Let him walk and be rewarded the other teams 1st round pick.

He's not going anywhere and it won't be a bank breaking deal.

It's 110% or about $4 million, whatever is greater.

Already said there's no way he's getting away, just saying there is a greater than 0% chance.

Not worried about the head coach. I Am worried about some of his assistant coaches such as special teams coach. I KNOW the special teams would be a LOT better with Gizzi (who MLF wanted) & Murphy vetoed

I don't know that there needs to be MORE replays in football as the process often seems to take too long. But if the refs are going to throw flags for roughing the passer when it's "close" (or in the case of above and the Lions hit today), then something needs to be done.  Maybe like turnovers, all roughing the QB calls should be reviewed. Not that the game mattered, but the Lions lost yesterday because of that call.



On a side not, I don't see why reviews can't be done by a person independent of the team calling the game, kinda like what they do in baseball.  Except in instances where the wrong call was obvious, I think refs might be inclined, even if subconsciously, not to rule against their own officiating team.

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“@KCousineau09: Here’s some news. According to a source, the plan is for 6,000 ticketed fans + frontline workers to be at the Divisional round at Lambeau Field next weekend. Tickets will go on sale to season ticket holders who opted in prior to the season on Tuesday.

Plan is for 8,000ish fans.”

Consistent with other rumblings on the interwebs this week

It’s now official. From packers.com:

Packers to welcome season ticket holders to divisional playoff game

Season ticket holders who opted in will receive email this week with purchase information; Tailgating in the parking lots is prohibited and attendees must wear face coverings at all times

The Green Bay Packers' Divisional Playoff game at Lambeau Field will include attendance by Season Ticket Holders in addition to invited frontline healthcare workers and first responders, the organization announced Thursday.

Season Ticket Holders who opted in this summer for the chance to purchase tickets will receive on-sale information this week via email. Tickets will go on sale online through Ticketmaster only Tuesday, Jan. 12, after the date and time of the Divisional matchup is announced by the NFL. No tickets will be for sale through the Packers' ticket office.

Approximately 6,000 tickets will be available for purchase by season ticket holders who opted in. Seats will be arranged in socially distanced pods of two, four and six tickets throughout the stadium. Prices, set by the NFL for playoff games, will range from $127 to $177, based on location; a service fee from Ticketmaster also will be charged. An additional number of guests will be in attendance, including invited frontline healthcare workers and first responders, as well as a league-mandated allotment for the visiting team.

Significantly, tickets will not be able to be resold or transferred and all tickets will be mobile. The Season Ticket Holders who purchase the tickets are responsible for coordinating all attendees within their pod, since entry to the game will be via a mobile ticket scan on the purchaser's mobile device. No exceptions will be made to this policy. These steps have been taken to ensure the safety of all people attending the game...

https://www.packers.com/news/p...isional-playoff-game

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