@Dr._Bob posted:Do offensive linemen ever get that kind of recognition?
Ask Jerry Kramer...
So in 50 years?
The Packers have been a legitimate Super Bowl contender for the majority of seasons during the last 27 years or so. During that time, they've had the following guys that have made or will make the Hall of Fame.
Favre, Rodgers, Charles Woodson, and Reggie White
The only other guys with chances to get in are LeRoy Butler and eventually Bakhtiari.
The problem they have getting more guys in is that they've only won 2 Super Bowls in that time. If they've have won 2 or 3 with either Favre or Rodgers (or both), maybe some of the offensive lineman on those teams start to get more consideration. They've had 3 offensive lineman make more than one Pro Bowl in that era: Bakh (2 plus likely this year), Josh Sitton (3), and Marco Rivera (3). Jerry Kramer made 3 Pro Bowls in his career. We all love Kramer, but if instead of playing on one of the most famous teams in NFL history, he plays for a team that wins one title (or none at all) he doesn't even enter the HOF conversation. That's what OL need and I think Bakh is likely to eventually fall short as well because of it.
Let's say you need to make at least 3 Pro Bowls to even get into the HOF conversation. I know Pro Bowls aren't always reflective of actual play, but they are a popularity contest just like the HOF so they are a good measure for that. 7 other Packers (outside of Favre, Rodgers, Woodson, White, Sitton, Rivera, and Bakh) have made 3 or more Pro Bowls in the Favre/Rodgers era. They are
CM3 (6), Ahman Green (4), Collins (3), Franks (3), Chmura (3), Adams (2 + this year), Driver (3), and Sharpe (3).
Do any of these guys ever get in? Adams would need another 4-5 years at this level. I doubt CM3 or Green ever get in.
I think 69 has a shot if he stays healthy for a couple more years. The HOF does need to install some players other than the glamour guys.
Personally I think that in this era of high flying, wide open, O favoring football in the NFL they should to some extent devalue wide recievers a bit.
After all, blocking and tackling wins football games.
I believe the HoF electors now place more value on All Pro selections than Pro Bowls (and should). There are only 2-4 All pros at any position in any season. Guys selected multiple times clearly show they are much better than the field and are. at average, on par with guys having career years. 69 has made All Pro 4 years running.
The Pro Bowl is an exhibition that plenty of players have been opting out from for 30 years now. "He doesn't suck and he'll show up" seems to be the criteria for selection as a Pro Bowl alternate.
@GBFanForLife posted:They usually give the ticket holder the choice. They always make you pay for all possible home playoff games upfront and then you can get a refund or apply to next year if any games are not played
They changed that 2 or 3 years ago. It's all "pay as we play" now. You pay for the first game then as any other games come up you get charged for them too. All electronic ticketing for the playoffs.
@PackerHawk posted:They changed that 2 or 3 years ago. It's all "pay as we play" now. You pay for the first game then as any other games come up you get charged for them too. All electronic ticketing for the playoffs.
I gave up my season tickets 3 years ago.
I know Pro Bowls aren't always reflective of actual play, but they are a popularity contest just like the HOF so they are a good measure for that.
Yeah; everybody knows William Henderson was a better fullback than Mike Alstott.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:Jerry Kramer made 3 Pro Bowls in his career. We all love Kramer, but if instead of playing on one of the most famous teams in NFL history, he plays for a team that wins one title (or none at all) he doesn't even enter the HOF conversation.
I don't agree with this. Even with all the games he missed due to a broken ankle and his intestinal issues he was still named the best guard in Pro-Footballs 1st 50 years. I think it was all the crap that went down with his family along with some comments from Jerry himself about the Hall selection that caused the HOF delay.
@ammo posted:I don't agree with this. Even with all the games he missed due to a broken ankle and his intestinal issues he was still named the best guard in Pro-Footballs 1st 50 years. I think it was all the crap that went down with his family along with some comments from Jerry himself about the Hall selection that caused the HOF delay.
I'll happily defer to people that saw him play. I was born in 1969 so never have seen anything other than what's available on old video.
How much of that notoriety for the first 50 years team was due to his book and the fact he was playing on one of the most famous teams in history?
For most of his time in Green Bay, you could argue he was just the third-best lineman on the team. Forrest Gregg remains one of the best OTs in history and Jim Ringo is also in the HOF.
In his favor, you could argue that he made Gregg even better. More importantly, the signature Lombardi play was the sweep and both of the iconic photos of the Packer sweep from those days that rank among the most famous in NFL history (both Taylor and Hornung) have Kramer leading the way. He was the key guy on the signatue offensive play that defined the Packers of that era and on the sneak in the Ice Bowl.
Whenever I see that play, I yell "Switch arms, Paul!"
Scary thought for the rest of the NFL... even if the Packers don't re-sign, sign, or draft another offensive player, their 2021 offense is still:
â Andy Herman (@AndyHermanNFL) December 14, 2020
Rodgers
Dillon
Adams, Lazard, MVS, EQ
Tonyan, Deguara, Sternberger
Bakhtiari, Runyan, Jenkins, Patrick, Turner
(and maybe Funchess).
IDK what he is talking about .....EVERYONE knows that drafting Love means that AR won't be a Packer for long
@MichiganPacker2 posted:I'll happily defer to people that saw him play. I was born in 1969 so never have seen anything other than what's available on old video.
How much of that notoriety for the first 50 years team was due to his book and the fact he was playing on one of the most famous teams in history?
For most of his time in Green Bay, you could argue he was just the third-best lineman on the team. Forrest Gregg remains one of the best OTs in history and Jim Ringo is also in the HOF.
In his favor, you could argue that he made Gregg even better. More importantly, the signature Lombardi play was the sweep and both of the iconic photos of the Packer sweep from those days that rank among the most famous in NFL history (both Taylor and Hornung) have Kramer leading the way. He was the key guy on the signatue offensive play that defined the Packers of that era and on the sneak in the Ice Bowl.
If the sweep was to the left side, Fuzzy led the way with Jerry at his side. One of the best plays in Lombardi's arsenal.
No way they don't [re]sign Jones, right?
@Boris posted:Scary thought for the rest of the NFL... even if the Packers don't re-sign, sign, or draft another offensive player, their 2021 offense is still:
â Andy Herman (@AndyHermanNFL) December 14, 2020
Rodgers
Dillon
Adams, Lazard, MVS, EQ
Tonyan, Deguara, Sternberger
Bakhtiari, Runyan, Jenkins, Patrick, Turner
(and maybe Funchess).
Tonyan is an RFA. No way they let him get away but it's possible the Packers could tender him and some other team finds him worthy of a high draft pick to sign him to a contract.
Aaron Rodgers has more touchdown passes (39) than JK Scott has punts (38) in 2020, and Mason Crosby has only attempted 15 field goals.
Is there an echo in here?
@PackerHawk posted:Tonyan is an RFA. No way they let him get away but it's possible the Packers could tender him and some other team finds him worthy of a high draft pick to sign him to a contract.
My understanding is if we offer him 110% of his previous contract that if he negotiates a deal with another team we can:
- Match the offer and keep him.
- Let him walk and be rewarded the other teams 1st round pick.
He's not going anywhere and it won't be a bank breaking deal.
@BrainDed posted:My understanding is if we offer him 110% of his previous contract that if he negotiates a deal with another team we can:
- Match the offer and keep him.
- Let him walk and be rewarded the other teams 1st round pick.
He's not going anywhere and it won't be a bank breaking deal.
It's 110% or about $4 million, whatever is greater.
Already said there's no way he's getting away, just saying there is a greater than 0% chance.
Yeah, wasn't disagreeing, just trying to provide further explanation to your conclusion.
His handpicked coach has won 24 of his first 30 games. The general manager he hired just saw players from his first two draft classes selected to the Pro Bowl.
â Rob Demovsky (@RobDemovsky) December 26, 2020
Still think Mark Murphy doesn't know what he's doing?
Story here: https://t.co/7wifmZmfZU
Not worried about the head coach. I Am worried about some of his assistant coaches such as special teams coach. I KNOW the special teams would be a LOT better with Gizzi (who MLF wanted) & Murphy vetoed
A bit of a puff piece from Demovsky. Sure appears that Murphy hit with the choice of MLF, but premature to make that judgment with Gutekunst and the selection of Alexander and Jenkins to the Pro Bowl isn't sufficient. How this year's class ultimately pans out will be a big part of the assessment.
Packers 17th game next season will be against the ... Chiefs.
Likely Thu night opener in GB.
So we get to kick the shit out of Baker Mayfield. Oh goody!!!!
In the 99 Club now
Welcome to the #99Club, @tae15adamsâžïļ@AaronRodgers12 surprises Davante with the news that he's finally a 9ïļâĢ9ïļâĢ overall in #Madden21@EAMaddenNFL | #GoPackGo pic.twitter.com/Vu7eR3523x
â Green Bay Packers (@packers) December 31, 2020
Never! I have a framed SI cover in my house saying Iâm the champ! ð https://t.co/MW8GAZ2uwE pic.twitter.com/Wduc4qKNdo
â Clay Matthews III (@ClayMatthews52) January 3, 2021
I don't know that there needs to be MORE replays in football as the process often seems to take too long. But if the refs are going to throw flags for roughing the passer when it's "close" (or in the case of above and the Lions hit today), then something needs to be done. Maybe like turnovers, all roughing the QB calls should be reviewed. Not that the game mattered, but the Lions lost yesterday because of that call.
On a side not, I don't see why reviews can't be done by a person independent of the team calling the game, kinda like what they do in baseball. Except in instances where the wrong call was obvious, I think refs might be inclined, even if subconsciously, not to rule against their own officiating team.
Great recount of the Woodson Story from Charles himself
The honesty from @CharlesWoodson is real when he discusses how he reluctantly went to Green Bay because the teams he wanted to join were not interested in signing him. pic.twitter.com/PDtHl7harb
â Jim Trotter (@JimTrotter_NFL) January 7, 2021
â@KCousineau09: Hereâs some news. According to a source, the plan is for 6,000 ticketed fans + frontline workers to be at the Divisional round at Lambeau Field next weekend. Tickets will go on sale to season ticket holders who opted in prior to the season on Tuesday.
Plan is for 8,000ish fans.â
Consistent with other rumblings on the interwebs this week
Itâs now official. From packers.com:
Packers to welcome season ticket holders to divisional playoff game
Season ticket holders who opted in will receive email this week with purchase information; Tailgating in the parking lots is prohibited and attendees must wear face coverings at all times
The Green Bay Packers' Divisional Playoff game at Lambeau Field will include attendance by Season Ticket Holders in addition to invited frontline healthcare workers and first responders, the organization announced Thursday.
Season Ticket Holders who opted in this summer for the chance to purchase tickets will receive on-sale information this week via email. Tickets will go on sale online through Ticketmaster only Tuesday, Jan. 12, after the date and time of the Divisional matchup is announced by the NFL. No tickets will be for sale through the Packers' ticket office.
Approximately 6,000 tickets will be available for purchase by season ticket holders who opted in. Seats will be arranged in socially distanced pods of two, four and six tickets throughout the stadium. Prices, set by the NFL for playoff games, will range from $127 to $177, based on location; a service fee from Ticketmaster also will be charged. An additional number of guests will be in attendance, including invited frontline healthcare workers and first responders, as well as a league-mandated allotment for the visiting team.
Significantly, tickets will not be able to be resold or transferred and all tickets will be mobile. The Season Ticket Holders who purchase the tickets are responsible for coordinating all attendees within their pod, since entry to the game will be via a mobile ticket scan on the purchaser's mobile device. No exceptions will be made to this policy. These steps have been taken to ensure the safety of all people attending the game...
I'm gonna be online on the 12th hopefully to secure 6 tickets. One of my brothers is a Rams fan (going back to Roman Gabriel) and if they win Saturday (and Bears lose Sunday) he's going to check a game at Lambeau off his bucket list.
Some fans in the stands should provide a little juice for the team. Glad the organization was able to make it happen for the playoffs.
Matt LaFleur on the ~6,000 fans who will be in attendance for the #Packers Divisional Round matchup:
â Lily Zhao (@LilySZhao) January 8, 2021
"We're definitely going to feed off that energy, so if anybody is coming to the game, make sure you're nice and loud for us."
Hope that if we DO host the championship game we can up the numbers to at least 20,000....
....be safe !!
