That wasn't their only gaffe of the night. One of the bigger ones being on SF's muffed punt return.
Romo was horrible in the booth all post season to the point you had to wonder if he wasn't starting to suffer from CTE. He was catching flak nationally too and local espn radio here played clips on a segment that made him sound like a parody. He was better for the SB but clearly doesn't have the shine he used to. Greg Olsen is better game to game and I wonder if Romo just isn't into it anymore.
@Floridarob posted:i was confused at the end of the game when it got to the final seconds. If KC does not score with 3 seconds left does the game continue into a new quarter as long as KC has the ball? I kept screaming to call a time out.
Is there a quarter or time limit to OT in a SB? Can it end in a tie or do rules say one team must win? I think a tie is not allowed but with so many adjustments to the OT rules, I haven't really kept track.
@michiganjoe posted:Mahomes was Mahomes, but the Chiefs don't win the game without the abysmal SF special teams.
Yes, they have the GOAT of GOATs at QB. What makes them doubly tough to beat is having both extremely well coordinated Special Teams and Defense.
It’s crazy just how many times we watched Rodgers or Favre try to carry the Pack with absolute garbage coaching for ST and/or defense. It’s actually pretty crazy we won a Super Bowl with Slocum running special teams but at least we had a great defense to make up for it.
Let’s just hope maybe the Pack has truly improved those coordinator positions because certainly the last 3 years they’ve had some guys that truly weren’t championship level coordinators. Hopefully Bisaccia and the new DC can improve these units. So far Bisaccia has been disappointing overall, but I still have hope with him where guys like Shawn Mennenega and Mo Drayton clearly were in over their heads.
KC learned from NEP and GB on what to do and what not to do to support your GOAT QB. KC is set up with a very good yet still very young D. And all Mahomes had was Kelce yet still got it done vs. an elite D.
@ilcuqui posted:Good question. Romo certainly didn’t make it clear with whatever that incomprehensible babble was as the time was winding down. Major fail by Nantz and Romo not to clearly explain it earlier.
I’d guess the game would continue as long as KC maintained possession. Which would explain why they were so nonchalant as time was running out. I was like you, worried about the clock.
Romo needed to shut the fuck up at the final score. He also needs to shut the fuck up a lot - and tone down the telestrator scribbles. The time running out was confusing. That should have been explained much better and much sooner.
Taylor Swift will be next years halftime show. Mark it down. The NFL made some big jack this year with her.
Nance mentioned something about the game going into a 2nd quarter when the Chiefs still had the ball, but they were not very clear about it. And the San Fran players admitted they didn't know the OT rules while the Chiefs said they had talked about overtime in the playoffs way back in training camp.
If I'm not mistaken, halftime show artists are not paid.
Mark Tauscher, on today’s Wilde and Tausch said San Francisco should have deferred in OT. Saying that the team that does, has a monster advantage.
@Iowacheese posted:Romo needed to shut the fuck up at the final score.
He also needs to shut the fuck up a lot -
Some guys you wanna watch a game with, some guys you wanna punch in the face. Repeatedly
The network bigwigs said ahead of time - this is a big game for Tony because he gets so much blowback from the fans, they're considering removing him.
So they'll be dissecting his always- annoying performance
@Iowacheese posted:Romo needed to shut the fuck up at the final score. He also needs to shut the fuck up a lot - and tone down the telestrator scribbles. The time running out was confusing. That should have been explained much better and much sooner.
Taylor Swift will be next years halftime show. Mark it down. The NFL made some big jack this year with her.
Greg Olsen is tons better
@R MaN posted:Mark Tauscher, on today’s Wilde and Tausch said San Francisco should have deferred in OT. Saying that the team that does, has a monster advantage.
MichiganPacker was making that point in this game thread. I hadn’t thought it through and disagreed. Turns out it makes a hell of a lot of sense to defer. Especially when you have a clutch playmaker like Mahomes
Bill Belichick to San Fran to get them over the top?????
@Iowacheese posted:Taylor Swift will be next years halftime show. Mark it down. The NFL made some big jack this year with her.
I totally agree. My daughter and my grand daughters came over to watch the game last night. Until last night not one of them has ever sat down and watch football with me.
So last night they show up at my house all wearing KC shirts with the name Swift on the back of them. I don't think that is all uncommon and I think the NFL has taken notice of this and they won't pass up a chance to have that demographic watching the game.
@antooo posted:Yeah.
That said, Purdy played a hellofa game and gets no disrespect from me.
Brock Purdy is a similar type of QB to Jared Goff. Goff has more arm talent, but they both have limitations that prevent them from ever being truly elite guys. They are good enough to win with, but not great enough to make the throws into tight windows to win a Super Bowl. Jimmy G was the same way.
There is a reason the Rams made it to a Super Bowl with Goff, but then were willing to trade him to the Lions along with 2 first round picks and a third to get Stafford. Stafford isn't Mahomes, but he is a likely HOF QB and clearly has HOF-level arm talent.
Purdy is very similar to Jimmy G and the Niners decided to give up massive draft capital to get Trey Lance. They probably thought they could develop Trey Lance to do what Jimmy G and Purdy could do in terms of reading defenses and playing mistake-free football but Lance would also give you that elite arm talent to make a play when Deebo, Aiyurk, Kittle, and CMC weren't running wide open.
I haven't seen much discussion from the national media about how badly Lynch and Shanahan missed on that Lance pick. It makes the Trubisky trade look good in comparison. At least Trubisky played for the Bears and actually went 31-26 as a starter. The Niners invested 3 first round picks (12th, 29th, and 29th overall) and a third to trade up to #3 overall to get Lance. They then turned around and traded him at 23 year olds for a 4th round pick 2 years later when they gave up on him.
Given how close the Niners got the last two years to winning it all, it has to be one of the worst trades in NFL history.
Purdy bailed them out by playing well above what you'd expect from the last pick of the 7th round, but even if they'd have stuck at 12th overall in 2021 and taken Mac Jones and he busted, imagine what they'd have cone with all those other premium picks.
March 26, 2021: Traded by Dolphins as 2021 1st round pick (3rd overall) to 49ers for 2021 1st round pick (12th overall subsequently traded , Micah Parsons), 2022 1st round pick (29th overall subsequently traded , Cole Strange), 2022 3rd round pick (102nd overall, Channing Tindall) and 2023 1st round pick (29th overall subsequently traded , Bryan Bresee)
@ilcuqui posted:Kyle Shanahan in Super Bowls:
• SB 51 (Falcons OC): Blew a 28-3 lead (Largest blown lead in SB history)
• SB 54 (SF HC) Blew a 10-point lead in 4th quarter (2nd-largest blown lead)
• SB 58 (SF HC) Blew a 10-point lead (2nd-largest blown lead)
The common denominator in all these is a failure to commit to the running game and RTFB. The Chiefs had three drives in the third quarter were they were still ahead. They ran CMC once and not all on the first two drives. They then scored a TD on the following drive when they ran the ball 5 times in 12 plays.
Here's the play calls on the three series. I was listening to Dan Patrick this morning and his comment was that it seemed Shanahan was calling plays to try to win Purdy the game MVP rather than what gave them the best chance to win.
Following the Mahomes interception in third quarter. Niners up 10-3
Next drive, Niners still up 10-3
Next drive, Chiefs up 10-6
For everything else that happened in the Falcons Super Bowl, this was the key sequence. The Falcons had the ball at the Patriots 23 yard line on 2nd and 11 with less than 4 minutes left. If they run the ball two more times, the Patriots are forced to use all their timeouts and the Falcons kick a chip shot field goal to go up 11. Instead, they stopped the clock twice more after the sack on 2nd and 11 by play calls that were to drop back and pass.
Purdy played well, but he doesn't have that elite ability. He makes good decisions (not hard with those receivers), and takes care of the ball. But last night he had two guys in the EZ that at least one elite QB would have hit. He overthrew the one WR in the end zone who had a step or two on the DB; granted, a long throw, but makeable. In OT, he missed Jennings who was open on third down; Purday had Long in his face (MVP should have been Long), but an elite QB in a Super Bowl makes at least one of those plays.
@The Heckler posted:I totally agree. My daughter and my grand daughters came over to watch the game last night. Until last night not one of them has ever sat down and watch football with me.
So last night they show up at my house all wearing KC shirts with the name Swift on the back of them. I don't think that is all uncommon and I think the NFL has taken notice of this and they won't pass up a chance to have that demographic watching the game.
Yep....this was not an unusual phenomenon. Just have to accept the "big game" for what it is now. The more people that can be brought in the better for the bu$ine$$
Much smaller scale. Look what Caitlin Clark has done for Girls Basketball. Adults and kids that had never watched 13 seconds of women's hoops are now rabid for the game.
Purdy did Purdy damn well yesterday. OT loss to the Jordan of football. I thought Shanahan went in the tank. And think of what a little better ST play would have done for SF.
Shoulda Woulda Coulda game for SF
@MichiganPacker posted:The common denominator in all these is a failure to commit to the running game and RTFB. The Chiefs had three drives in the third quarter were they were still ahead. They ran CMC once and not all on the first two drives. They then scored a TD on the following drive when they ran the ball 5 times in 12 plays.
Shanahan has the rep of being one of the best play callers in the league. He can scheme circles around opposing coaches and make you look silly. That's why it was surprising to see how he played the middle of that game. Like Aaron Jones, McCaffery is what makes that team so hard to defend. Everything is, or can be, set up to run through him. Purdy gets time and play action opportunities directly from the threat at rb.
It looked to me like they put it on Purdy's shoulders to win that game, which may have worked against other teams, but the KC defense has really played well. It wasn't until they went back to McCaffery, when they absolutely needed a drive, that they righted the ship. Purdy made some good throws, but just as many plays he was rattled and hurried and just not ready for what Spags was bringing. I get that you have targets out your ass to throw to, but SF kept the KC defense fresh with the way they called the game. I think Shanny did a disservice to his own defense as well. They played a vg game for 3 quarters before running out of gas. If it hasn't been clear to this point, last night cemented the fact that you can only hold Mahomes in check for so long. If you don't have a cushion, he will steal your milk money every time.
I'm pretty sure they either needed to kick a FG to tie and force an extra quarter or score the TD before the quarter expires.
The game just doesn't roll into an extra quarter. I believe
I think Shannahan is one of the best play designers in the league but his play calling in the biggest moments has some up short.
The thing about SF is they have 8 all-pro's (last 2 years) on their roster; an elite D and an offense with Trent Williams, CMC, Deebo, Aiyuk and Kittle. All healthy. If Purdy was as good as people want to believe, he has to win with that group. Sure it's Mahomes but this was supposed to be a down year for them on offense. They have him and Kelce and a bunch of good depth guys. If you roughly balance out the two defenses, the contrast in QB play is glaring considering their supporting casts.
@Boris posted:I'm pretty sure they either needed to kick a FG to tie and force an extra quarter or score the TD before the quarter expires.
The game just doesn't roll into an extra quarter. I believe
Sorry BOSS but Nope. Straight from NFLFU:
Thanks.....weird rule.....why even have a clock then?
@MichiganPacker posted:I haven't seen much discussion from the national media about how badly Lynch and Shanahan missed on that Lance pick. It makes the Trubisky trade look good in comparison. At least Trubisky played for the Bears and actually went 31-26 as a starter. The Niners invested 3 first round picks (12th, 29th, and 29th overall) and a third to trade up to #3 overall to get Lance. They then turned around and traded him at 23 year olds for a 4th round pick 2 years later when they gave up on him.
Given how close the Niners got the last two years to winning it all, it has to be one of the worst trades in NFL history.
Here's one: The 49ers shouldn’t be off the hook for the disastrous Trey Lance trade
@DH13 posted:If you roughly balance out the two defenses, the contrast in QB play is glaring considering their supporting casts.
Particularly when you fail to build a lead when you've been playing better than the Chiefs in the first half. The longer the game remained a one score affair, the longer the odds became for SF to finish it. You could feel the shift even though it was gradual. GB was able to score tds in Dallas, but not vs SF. They outplayed the Niners but couldn't put them in a dire situation. Chalk it up to Shanahan tensing up, or Andy coaching circles around him, but in the end Purdy was put in a spot he clearly couldn't handle. Even the drive to take back the lead was driven by McCaffery. Granted the KC defense played extremely well, but the reason SF couldn't get Deebo or Kittle going stems directly in my opinion from Shanahan deviating from his standard offense and putting too much on a young qb to make throws against a secondary that was locked in.
Seeing quite a bit of informed speculation out there that the Niners (coach included) may not have been completely aware of the details regarding the change in OR rules. That would possibly explain the rather bizarre decision by SF to not defer.
Their defense was gassed. They needed a break. They also hoped to get the third, and winning possession. They couldn't get the needed touchdown to start, or it would've been the right call.
@lovepack posted:Their defense was gassed. They needed a break. They also hoped to get the third, and winning possession. They couldn't get the needed touchdown to start, or it would've been the right call.
Media has to talk about something and in a game that was pretty clean by the players and coaches, they grasped onto this decision. First, this rule is new so we have no data on what the best decision is. We can guess but we can't back it up with historical results. Second, the defense was on the field for the last Chief drive so making them go back out there seemed like a bad idea. Letting them rest made sense. And third, most offenses facing a 3 point deficit tend to play for the 3 points, getting more conservative to not lose the tie. When an offense is down 4 points, they play more aggressive b/c they need the TD. So it wouldn't be crazy for the Chiefs to play more conservative in the red zone in OT to guarantee a FG, kind of like they did at the end of regulation. So asking the 49ers defense to hold them to a FG then putting the offense in a spot to get the first possession in sudden death isn't crazy. Again, we don't know b/c there is no data but it's not crazy, which is how the media is portraying the decision.
I put this on the 49ers defense. NO matter what decision Kyle makes, the defense has to hold eventually. The didn't. But it's not surprising, as Mahomes is just a better QB than Purdy. The better QB usually wins in OT.
What's with all this "defer" talk? "Defer" means you let the other team make the decision and then you get to pick at the start of the next half. It's not clear to me whether that applies to overtime or not... but either way the thing you are advocating for is electing to kick rather than receive.
And at first glance, it seems like a no brainer... "yeah we'll get to know if we need a TD to win, FG to win, FG to tie... whatever!"
But you're ignoring the third possession. In this situation, if KC were held to a field goal, then it moves to sudden death. And KC would be kicking to the rat pack with Purds needing but a simple field goal to win the game.
On balance I think it still makes the most sense to take possession first. But the whole idea behind it is to be a roughly even proposition. And no it's not how I'd do overtime at all (in my world overtime doesn't even exist for regular season, we soccer now fam)
I believe Shanahan said they wanted the 3rd possession. Logic being they expected KC would match them on each team's first possession.
Stupid, and likely a cover-up story for fucking up.
Mahomes said they were planning to KO if they won the OT coin toss.
@4 Favre posted:But you're ignoring the third possession. In this situation, if KC were held to a field goal, then it moves to sudden death. And KC would be kicking to the rat pack with Purds needing but a simple field goal to win the game.
2nd possession has the advantage. Knowing what is needed for the win, and 4 downs everytime to get a first, changes play calling. If 1st possession is a TD, 2nd possession has to match, and I expect that team would go for 2.
@H5 posted:2nd possession has the advantage. Knowing what is needed for the win, and 4 downs everytime to get a first, changes play calling. If 1st possession is a TD, 2nd possession has to match, and I expect that team would go for 2.
I would think you'd have to go for two in that situation. I think the next score wins if it's tied after each team has a possession and then a FG beats you.
@The Heckler posted:I totally agree. My daughter and my grand daughters came over to watch the game last night. Until last night not one of them has ever sat down and watch football with me.
So last night they show up at my house all wearing KC shirts with the name Swift on the back of them. I don't think that is all uncommon and I think the NFL has taken notice of this and they won't pass up a chance to have that demographic watching the game.
You could have freaked them out and rolled out this jersey!
Chiefs’ players said post-game that Reid had told them during the week before the game that the plan was always to get the second possession, and go for 2 to win if necessary.
The Mighty Green Bay Packers ended the 2023 season as the only team to score more than 24 points against the Super Bowl champion Kansas City Chiefs and their top performing defense.
( Chiefs defense only gave up 17 pts/game, Packers scored 27)
