When you have a QB as good as Mahomes, deferring makes sense.
Absent his skills, I doubt it.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/02...-frustrated-nfl-fans
At the time I thought it was a bad spot and wondered why he didn't throw the challenge flag.
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2024/...-td-super-bowl-video
Kelce knew they won before the play was over.
Get your free chicken wings on Feb. 26
@YATittle posted:When you have a QB as good as Mahomes, deferring makes sense.
Absent his skills, I doubt it.
Yup…every series with 4 downs with the Pat and Andy show…yikes.
@justanotherpackerfan posted:Okay, I read the rules as listed on the link Ammo posted
it sure isn’t clear and the third bullet point doesn’t help make it any clearer.
That's because it never happened in the past.... ever.
What I find very interesting is how well KC knew the new rule.....and how SF clearly didn't even bother preparing for such a scenario.
@Boris posted:That's because it never happened in the past.... ever.
What I find very interesting is how well KC knew the new rule.....and how SF clearly didn't even bother preparing for such a scenario.
I don't think it's a big deal that the players didn't know the scenario because I don't think it would have had any effect on how they played, but it's within the realm of possibility that Shanahan was not not clear on the rules either based on some of the post-game comments he made.
@YATittle posted:Found on the internet:
In my opinion, after last night Andy Reid solidified himself as the greatest coach ever in NFL history after his win in Superbowl LVIII.
He built two contenders, one in Philly and now one in Kansas City. Although they didn't win a Superbowl in his time in Philly, they were always a team to reckoned with and if Donavon Mcnabb had done a little more in big games, the headlines would have been much different.
He revitalized Michael Vick's career and turned him into Comeback player of the year in 2010. Made the playoffs 9 out of 14 years in Philadelphia and went to 5 NFC title games and a Superbowl.
What he has done in Kansas City is simply astonishing. 8 straight division titles. 3 Superbowl victories in 5 years. Reid now has 26 postseason wins and has no plans of retiring. This year they didn't have the talent as other years on both sides of the ball. But they had Andy Reid. This was his best coaching job ever and there is truly no end in sight for what he can accomplish.
He coulda, shoulda been ours after Holmgren stabbed the team in the back over becoming GM.
As Mike Francesa said back then regarding Holmgren, you don't leave the QB, but Holmgren did.
@MichiganPacker posted:I don't think it's a big deal that the players didn't know the scenario because I don't think it would have had any effect on how they played, but it's within the realm of possibility that Shanahan was not not clear on the rules either based on some of the post-game comments he made.
He may or may not have been clear on the rules but he and the staff were aware of them. Or so it appears.
Found on the internet:
Once Dre Greenlaw went down, Oren Burks filled in for him. Here’s how he did in coverage:
• 9 targets
• 9 catches allowed
• 1 touchdown
• 134.7 passer rating when targeted
• 32.1 PFF coverage grade
Chiefs did not score a TD when @bigplaydre1 was in the game! Not bashing Burks, but the defense missed Greenlaw. Chiefs got all the breaks in the Super Bowl, especially with the Greenlaw fluke injury.
Found on the internet: Chris Jones The Difference Between Steve Spagnuolo Vs His Previous Years In Kansas City: "The main difference that people don't know is that Spags wife moved to Kansas City and that changed the whole game for us. She hasn't been living in Kansas City and this is her first year living in Kansas City. He's happier, he has his family here, he has his wife here. When you have your significant other around you it just makes you a better person, honestly. I think that's what she being here has done for him and has done for us. It means all the difference."
Found on the internet:
In early January of 2013, shortly after coach Reid and the Eagles parted ways, Clark Hunt flew to Philly to interview Reid...AT THE AIRPORT...while another plane was waiting to fly Reid to Arizona to interview for the Cardinals head coach vacancy.
Basically, Hunt intercepted Andy Reid from the Cardinals in a historic move that can only be described as savage. Don't let his demeanor fool you. Clark Hunt is an absolute assassin!
@MichiganPacker posted:Reid also had a significant role in Favre's best years. Holmgren was the main guy, but Reid was probably the second most important person on that mid-90s Packers offensive staff.
I’d put Steve Mariucci over him. Mooch was Favre’s first QB. Coach in GB. By the time Reid took over, Favre was already one of the best QBs in the league.
BTW, not much dumb talk this year about how Bieniemy was the real brains behind that offense.🤣
@YATittle posted:Found on the internet:
Once Dre Greenlaw went down, Oren Burks filled in for him. Here’s how he did in coverage:• 9 targets• 9 catches allowed• 1 touchdown• 134.7 passer rating when targeted• 32.1 PFF coverage gradeChiefs did not score a TD when @bigplaydre1 was in the game! Not bashing Burks, but the defense missed Greenlaw. Chiefs got all the breaks in the Super Bowl, especially with the Greenlaw fluke injury.
I thought he injured his achilles.
@YATittle posted:Found on the internet:
Once Dre Greenlaw went down, Oren Burks filled in for him. Here’s how he did in coverage:• 9 targets• 9 catches allowed• 1 touchdown• 134.7 passer rating when targeted• 32.1 PFF coverage gradeChiefs did not score a TD when @bigplaydre1 was in the game! Not bashing Burks, but the defense missed Greenlaw. Chiefs got all the breaks in the Super Bowl, especially with the Greenlaw fluke injury.
At 6:44 Ross mentions how the Chiefs spammed 2 and 3 TE sets once Greenlaw went down. Sometimes being brilliant is not complicating things and just hammering away at the weakest link on the defense.
Reid has been in so many big game losses he has a rolodex of what not to do. MLF is still relatively young by comparison. It's incumbent on him to study up on all the past big game scenarios, imo. Learn from others mistakes before you make them yourself.
Towards the end of this season he seemed to gain more confidence as the leader of the team in a way he never did when 12 was here. He needs to keep improving in that area. I think he has a clearer vision of what he needs from his staff for the team's success instead of micro managing everything. Tournament football is so much different than the regular season. There's no margin for error against the best organizations in the league. Every series matters and every series builds off the last. Reid has a trusted lieutenant in Spags and can devote every ounce of attention needed to his offense.
One other thing MLF desperately needs to learn from Reid is crossing out every designed Love run from the playbook including the sneaks . Love isn't all that good at it, we've got weapons all over the field and it only takes one bad hit to diminish 10 for the rest of his career.
@antooo posted:I thought he injured his achilles.
Not according to the internet 
JJ always sprinkles in some insight into his time in GB. Great guest always
Feels like most people go with whichever way the wind blows. It's always amazing how smart the talking heads become after the last game is finished and suddenly everyone knows the winning championship formula. The loudest voices are always the critics (The voices crowing about rookie contract QBs being the secret formula got a little softer yesterday). Every game has its own story and pace.
All the talk seems to be about 3 down play vs 4 down play with total disregard for field position if there's no score on the first possession (which would also likely throw the 4th down plays out the window).
I can see the arguments for kicking off, but to act like it's crazy to receive the ball is a bit presumptuous as well. Everyone would be killing Shanahan for putting his defense out there right after they were just on the field if he made the other decision, the Chiefs scored a TD, and the 49ers couldn't match.
i don't see anything wrong with what they did, they just lost the game. there is a winner and a loser...and that day, they lost. get lost with all that nonsense, but hey everyone's got to have a take somehow, stupid or not...
@pkr_north posted:i don't see anything wrong with what they did, they just lost the game. there is a winner and a loser...and that day, they lost. get lost with all that nonsense, but hey everyone's got to have a take somehow, stupid or not...
Balderdash!
Well that didn’t take long
@AdamSchefter: A change in San Francisco: Steve Wilks is out as the 49ers defensive coordinator.
Multiple people shot at Chiefs victory parade. Police have 2 in custody. Still a developing story
Odd move from a big picture view.
re: SF firing DC.
I wonder how an onside kick would work to start OT? If the kicking team recovers an onside kick does the receiving team still get a chance to possess the ball after a score?
If lining up to receive a kickoff counts as a possession, wouldn't the analytics suggest you should try to onside kick in that situation every time? If you recover the onside kick, you would need to drive 20 yards for a winning FG. If you don't, you give up 25 yards and you still get a chance to possess the ball after that no matter what.
Related to that, could SF have done an onside kick after their FG - and if they recover, the game is over? Seems like something you'd consider for Mahomes to not get the ball.
@MichiganPacker posted:I wonder how an onside kick would work to start OT? If the kicking team recovers an onside kick does the receiving team still get a chance to possess the ball after a score?
If lining up to receive a kickoff counts as a possession, wouldn't the analytics suggest you should try to onside kick in that situation every time? If you recover the onside kick, you would need to drive 20 yards for a winning FG. If you don't, you give up 25 yards and you still get a chance to possess the ball after that no matter what.
Related to that, could SF have done an onside kick after their FG - and if they recover, the game is over? Seems like something you'd consider for Mahomes to not get the ball.
I do not know that answer. I doubt Goodell or Romo knows the answer either.
@MichiganPacker posted:I wonder how an onside kick would work to start OT? If the kicking team recovers an onside kick does the receiving team still get a chance to possess the ball after a score?
If lining up to receive a kickoff counts as a possession, wouldn't the analytics suggest you should try to onside kick in that situation every time? If you recover the onside kick, you would need to drive 20 yards for a winning FG. If you don't, you give up 25 yards and you still get a chance to possess the ball after that no matter what.
Related to that, could SF have done an onside kick after their FG - and if they recover, the game is over? Seems like something you'd consider for Mahomes to not get the ball.
Get Bostock back on the roster and let’s roll!
@MichiganPacker posted:I wonder how an onside kick would work to start OT? If the kicking team recovers an onside kick does the receiving team still get a chance to possess the ball after a score?
If lining up to receive a kickoff counts as a possession, wouldn't the analytics suggest you should try to onside kick in that situation every time? If you recover the onside kick, you would need to drive 20 yards for a winning FG. If you don't, you give up 25 yards and you still get a chance to possess the ball after that no matter what.
Related to that, could SF have done an onside kick after their FG - and if they recover, the game is over? Seems like something you'd consider for Mahomes to not get the ball.
You clever bastard.
Lots of news flooding the internet regarding the shootings at the end of the Chiefs parade. One dead, several in critical condition, 10-15 injured, two shooters in custody. Story still developing. So sad, why?
@DurangoDoug posted:Lots of news flooding the internet regarding the shootings at the end of the Chiefs parade. One dead, several in critical condition, 10-15 injured, two shooters in custody. Story still developing. So sad, why?
@H5 posted:You and Shanahan. Seems everyone else in the football loving world say kick if you win the OT coin toss.
Not everyone, but if nodding along to the bobbleheads on TV gives you comfort, good on you. I could very well be wrong, but nobody has bothered to prove it. It's probably a very marginal difference one way or the other. Which was the whole point of changing the overtime rules as they weren't 'fair enough'
@MichiganPacker posted:I wonder how an onside kick would work to start OT? If the kicking team recovers an onside kick does the receiving team still get a chance to possess the ball after a score?
If lining up to receive a kickoff counts as a possession, wouldn't the analytics suggest you should try to onside kick in that situation every time? If you recover the onside kick, you would need to drive 20 yards for a winning FG. If you don't, you give up 25 yards and you still get a chance to possess the ball after that no matter what.
Related to that, could SF have done an onside kick after their FG - and if they recover, the game is over? Seems like something you'd consider for Mahomes to not get the ball.
The phraseology here doesn't seem to have changed from previous overtime rules iterations. They say "opportunity to possess the ball". So yes, I think your intepretation is correct.
I like the strategy and it would have a decent chance of working as a sneak attack, since normal onside kicks went from "So you're telling me there's a chance" to "not even Bostick could mess this one up". It's the sort of thing that's only going to work once and then everybody will be keyed in on it.
I forget, didn't some years back someone go for an onside kick late in the 4th after scoring to go ahead or tie? Maybe even Reid? It's a strategy I would have loved to have seen if Anders had happened to make that last field goal attempt. But I don't get my hopes up. It's the NFL. I'm just glad that coaches go for 4th and 2s nowadays.
Jason and Trav shared their real thoughts on the sideline moment with Coach Reid pic.twitter.com/npWn3BWT4l
— New Heights (@newheightshow) February 14, 2024
@YATittle posted:https://ftw.usatoday.com/2024/...-td-super-bowl-video
Kelce knew they won before the play was over.
The funny part of that clip is that Burks looks like he never moved from the spot where he lined up.
@titmfatied posted:JJ always sprinkles in some insight into his time in GB. Great guest always
Thanks for posting that interview. Cool comments from Jones
And one thing I just realized about Andy Reid - he lost to Shanahan senior in SB32. But he paid him back by beating his son twice in humiliating fashion
( SF with 2 blown 4th Q leads)
Perfect payback for that cheatin' ratface, Shanny Sr.