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And the commentary about Finley being some dynamic player?  WTF is wrong with you clowns?  The guy was the epitome of wasted potential.  

 

The team is in a funk.  If I could live through the 80's I can deal with this.  If it doesn't happen this year we hope the Packers organization learns and adjusts.  Everybody poops.  

 

And as far as the snivelers that show up for the downswings to talk about their own self important opinions instead of sharing any actual fandom, buckle up buttercups. This board is more than the other dead BB's poisoned by your ilk.  

Originally Posted by cuqui:
Originally Posted by BartManDude:

 

The problems are almost entirely injury related and possibly position coaching.

And two huge factors:  Game planning and Play calling.

hard to argue with that. 

 

I guess my op was more about the root cause of the issues and not so much as failure to respond to the root cause.


There is no doubt that the coaches could be handling the current situation better, I do think they are trying but it is too little and it's happening way too slowly. 

MM is a calm coach who doesn't overreact much, that is a good trait when the team deals with a minor setback but I think it is a negative when the train has gone off of the rails and a quicker/bigger solution is needed.

 

To summarize and clarify, I do ultimately blame MM for not doing enough to help get the offense back on track but I do think that he'll ultimately fix things, it's just happening too slowly.

 

Now if Mason makes that FG and Adams catches that last endzone pass, the Pack is 9-2, 4-0 in the division and there would be a lot less to complain about MM and co.  

I'm  Just sayin

Originally Posted by Henry:

And the commentary about Finley being some dynamic player?  WTF is wrong with you clowns?  The guy was the epitome of wasted potential.  

With exception of 2009, Finley has been more of detriment to the pack than a positive.

I'm glad Finley is gone, that dude was a million dollar tease with a 25 cent brain.

 

And I certainly don't miss this ****

YOTTO (Year Of The TakeOver)

YOTTOR (Year Of The TakeOver Repeat)

YOATO (Year Of Another TakeOver)

YOTSTO (Year Of The Second TakeOver)

 

Jesus, what a fn joke.

It was more then just 2009

 

Injuries didn't help. But when you compare the steaming pile of crap that is the current TE group, it's not hard to figure out why there's such a gaping hole between what his production was in 2009, 2011 and 2012 and the terrible production of 2014 and 2015. Injuries derailed would likely would have been very productive 2010 and 2013 seasons Also, his avg per catch is on another planet compared to what we have with Rich Rod. 12.5 avg to Dick Rod's <7.5

 

Receiving
YearTeamGRecYdsAvgYds/GLngTD20+40+1stFUM
2013Green Bay Packers62530012.050.052331130
 
2012Green Bay Packers166166710.941.7402101311
 
2011Green Bay Packers165576713.947.9418141440
 
2010Green Bay Packers52130114.360.234170120
 
2009Green Bay Packers135567612.352.062T591291
 
2008Green Bay Packers1467412.35.33512030
 
TOTAL702232,78512.539.862204541322
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Davante Adams makes me long for the days of Antonio Chatman and Taco Wallace.

Okay, bad joke there.  In fairness to Davante, I thought he looked okay last season as a rookie, he didn't look great, but he did have a few pretty good games, at least enough to think there was something to build on.  I really can't say I've seen more than maybe 1 halfway decent game this season with him.

Maybe we'll find out as time goes on that he really was limited with an ankle injury and he'll "blossom" in his 3rd year.   Right now, he's got no confidence and he is a bit of a liability out there, hopefully that changes for him someday as he seems like a decent enough kid. 

 

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Yeah, got to think it's as much mental as anything at this point. And I'm convinced the ankle has been bugging him. 

WR is a tough position to learn, especially when a guy is thrust into a position he's not ready for. I still have faith he'll be a solid contributor to this offense in the future, but I think its time his snaps be spread around a little bit for the time being.

Not on the list is credit to his toughness.

See if he looks 100%.  If he doesn't, then sit him down.  It's really that simple. If he's jogging around and rounding off his routes and not planting on the ankle, then no matter what he says, please Mike, TAKE HIM OUT OF THE FREAKING GAME!

Really don't want to watch a guy struggle like that again on National TV.

 

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This from Next Generation Stats:

 

 

3. The speed issues at wide receiver resurfaced again in Green Bay for the Thanksgiving loss to the BearsJames Jones was held without a catch for the second time in three weeks. His fastest speed with the ball in his hands over the past five weeks is 16.79 mph, well below average. His inability to separate from coverage was also a prime culprit in Derek Carr's disappointing rookie season in Oakland.

Davante Adamsrelentlessly hyped by the Packers all offseason, has been abysmal, dropping four passes including the potential game-winner versus Chicago. Shaky hands aren't the only issue. Adams hasn't topped 15.00 mph with the ball since Week 9. According to the analytics site numberFire, Adams' 2015 season is one of the least efficient of the past 15 years. On the receiving end of passes from the best quarterback of the past half-decade, Adams' performance has been one of the season's true head-scratchers

Throwing another log on the old "scheme" fire, here's a good breakdown on how Bevell has reimagined the Seahawks offense from borderline putrid to the second best in football over the past month. He did this in spite of, and because of, losing two talents as valuable as Jordy in Lynch and Graham.

What a wild notion to adapt your scheme to your available talent rather than what you think your offense should look like.

Andy Benoit at the MMQB digs down into what McCarthy brought back to the Packers' offense:

In Green Bay, Order Is Restored

Mon Dec. 14, 2015
On Sunday, head coach Mike McCarthy called plays for the first time this season. With a heavier reliance on the run game, a knack for ‘building offense,’ and Aaron Rodgers staying in structure, the Packers looked a lot like the Super Bowl contender they were expected to be.

Let’s get something clear: Green Bay’s season will not be reanimated because of the miraculous Hail Mary victory at Detroit last Thursday. That’s precisely how the narrative is about to play out, thanks to America’s tendency to Disneyfy every storyline. But the performance in Detroit was a microcosm of what, to that point, had been a very disappointing season for the Packers. The Hail Mary was the ultimate sandlot play from Aaron Rodgers, obscuring the passing game’s utter lack of rhythm and continuity. Overall, last Thursday was a very poor offensive showing.

Head coach Mike McCarthy verified this by reclaiming the play-calling duties from associate head coach Tom Clements this week. The last time McCarthy had called plays at Lambeau Field was last season’s Divisional Round win over Dallas. He faced the same foe again Sunday.

McCarthy’s impact was evident right away. On second-and-six on Green Bay’s second drive, he called an off-tackle split-zone run for Eddie Lacy out of a two-back set with Randall Cobb motioning to an offset wing position. Lacy’s run gained 14 yards. Two plays later, on second-and-eight, the Packers showed the exact same formation (including Cobb’s motion) and did play-action off the same run look, this time with James Starks. The play was designed to hit Cobb on a rollout in the flat; after some hesitation, Rodgers did, for four yards.

It wasn’t a big gain, but the concept was what’s important. McCarthy was “building offense”—calling plays that worked off previous plays and set up future plays. It’s what good offenses do and, frankly, it wasn’t common enough under Clements, where the Packers seemed to run one isolated play after another.

Cobb was at the forefront of many of McCarthy’s calls. Early in the game, when the Cowboys were playing a lot of zone (a bizarre choice, by the way, given Dallas’s recent success in man-to-man and the immense difficulty Green Bay’s receivers have had separating from press coverage), Cobb was often the primary option out of his usual slot position. That’s because against zone coverage, the slot receiver draws mismatches against safeties and linebackers.

As the game progressed and Dallas expanded its coverages, Cobb moved around, including into the backfield, where he got meaningful touches. This has been a Packers staple in 2015, though McCarthy amplified the approach by using it on successive possessions, with Cobb being the focal point in route combinations. Cobb also got three carries. The mere threat alone that he poses makes the backfield gambit worthwhile. Case in point: James Starks’s 13-yard touchdown catch-and-run was aided by a misdirection design that began with a fake handoff to Cobb.

Though Cobb has been up-and-down this season, he’s not the Packer receiver who needs help from the play designs. That would be James Jones and, especially, the floundering Davante Adams. Instead of consistently spreading both receivers wide in static 2 x 2 or 3 x 1 sets, McCarthy diversified his formations, even putting his wideouts in some stack alignments in order to compromise the spacing of Dallas’s cornerbacks. This is the wrinkle that’s been so badly missing from Green Bay’s attack.

McCarthy did all this without drifting away from Green Bay’s West Coast spread foundation. Frustrating as it has been to watch Packers receivers struggle out of widened 2 x 2 and 3 x 1 sets, those sets are still the fulcrum to Green Bay’s slant- and seam-based passing attack. And the spacing from those formations still propagates a lot of Rodgers’s sandlot playmaking.

This season, the Packers have been entirely too dependent on that playmaking. What success they were having seemed to come only after Rodgers extended the play. Everything was happening out of structure. Rodgers is great out of structure, but no quarterback can be consistent this way. McCarthy understands the value of a sandlot quarterback, but more importantly, he understands that the less the Packers rely on Rodgers’ sandlot mode, the more valuable it becomes. Sandlot will always be a part of Rodgers’ game; for Green Bay’s offense to evolve, it must be no more than a significant branch on Rodgers’ tree, not the tree’s trunk.

Really, Rodgers is a quarterback who needs disciplined football imposed upon him via the play’s design. With no leash, he’ll too often play out of structure. With a tight leash, you constrict his greatness. Give him a long leash and you’re all set. Jay Cutler is the same way. So is Russell Wilson. And perhaps the best example of all: a younger Ben Roethlisberger.

This in mind, it’s no wonder McCarthy kept the ball on the ground 40 times on Sunday (discounting scrambles and kneel-downs). The tone was set immediately with four run calls to open the game. Aside from a futile third quarter, the ground game kept the Packers ahead in the down-and-distance, fostering Rodgers’s discipline. Eddy Lacy’s season has been uneven at best, and some weeks his reps have declined accordingly. The one upside to this is it leaves the 230-pounder bruiser fresh for the stretch run. Lacy—and Starks, for that matter—got stronger as the game progressed on Sunday; the two backs combined for 103 rushing yards in the fourth quarter.

A freshly balanced, newly rhythmic offense paired with a young, talented defense that’s versatile in both scheme and personnel? The Packers, just in time for the holidays (oh, and the postseason) may finally start looking like the Super Bowl contender we all expected.

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