Trade Deadline

@Tschmack posted:

If you are the Niners you have to take a shot right now.  As much as Jimmy G gets criticized the guy wins games, and if this is indeed his last year in SF, it’s worth the gamble.

Right now, the Trey Lance selection (and what it took to get him) looks like a complete disaster.  It’s Jordan Love x1000. The fact that he is out for the year won’t help his development one bit, and he was already looking overwhelmed once he got the starting gig.

Makes you wonder how things may have been different had Gute actually pulled the trigger on dealing Rodgers to SF.  For what they gave up to get Lance, who knows how much in return the Packers could have gotten.

The Niners might have won the Super Bowl had they gotten Rodgers and that's the biggest thing Murphy and the front office wants to avoid happening (Rodgers winning a ring with another team).

I think if Love had really been ready to be at least a serviceable guy, the Packers would have pulled the trigger on the deal.

The issue with the Packers is that they hedged towards a middle ground. They could have either gone all-in and sold out to try to win this year (even with trading Adams, they could have gone after some big free agent signings, traded some picks for other guys, etc.) or gone to a rebuild and stockpiled picks, taken some lumps for 2-3 years, and then be positioned to emerge again.

Instead, they went all-in with the QB, but did nothing else to improve the offense this year. They weren't going to find any WR like Adams, but at least they could have gotten someone who provide a portion of that had they been willing to go after an established WR via free agency or trade. Instead, they have a mix of aging guys who can't stay healthy (Cobb and Watkins) and young guys who are a year or two away from potentially being good (Doubs and maybe Watson). Lazard is a solid #3 WR.

The time to make a move was last year.   If you give up anything for short term improvement this year it’s just a desperate grasp.  

Stay put or sell.

@SteveLuke posted:

Packers -- the ones who have not sniffed a Super Bowl during his tenure.

Disagree....I'd say making it to the NFC Championship Game is definitely "sniffing" the Stupid Bowl albeit not actually getting there.

Gutey tried to trade Rodgers and was going to get a kings Ransom - trade got shot down by Murphy. 🖕🏼 Murphy from here to eternity.

P.S. The last 2 Super Bowls the Niners were in, they lost....both of them.

It’s pretty clear GB needs some juice at WR that isn’t on the current roster for 2022. I agree that the time to add talent there was the off season but there is some time with the trade deadline looming.

Not sure if prioritizing WR or OL helps the offense more.

I can't get over just how bad the line was last week

Can't throw a pass more than 3 yards if the offensive line is like a turnstile at a Porky's 10 movie!

@Chongo posted:

I like Brandt, but since when is Lance "oft-injured?" He was pretty durable in college IIRC. Unless you're Tom Brady or Peyton Manning and get the ball out as quick as possible, you are going to get hit/injured in the NFL.

And if you have a HC dumb enough to consistently use your QB as primary running weapon, he's going to miss a lot more games than most over time.

He really only played 1 season as a starter in college so he never really proved to be durable or not there.

It will be at least another year or two before anyone can make a call on his durability in the NFL.

Maybe Gute is not ready to be a buyer before the trade deadline.  Maybe he is thinking he has one week to peddle 12.

(Sarcasm)

Eagles shipping a 4th rounder to Chicago for DE Robert Quinn.

The 6-0 Eagles, who currently hold the 4th overall pick in the draft from a trade with New Orleans, are going ALL IN to win a SB just like the Rams did in 2021, the Bucs did in 2020 and the Packers did ... in 1996.

PS I am all aboard the Philly train because the only way this trainwreck of a season gets any worse is if Minnesota or Dallas gets to the SB from the NFC.

You still on that train when GBP meets PHI in the playoffs? Or even in week 12?

That's a legit question.  Neither MIN nor DAL is getting anywhere near February. 

If the Vikings make the Super Bowl they will become the first 0-5 team in World Championship history!

   Crabby.

Which teams losing or winning today will affect if they’re sellers or not?

Do Pittsburgh or Denver losses make Certain WRs more available?

is there any (potentially) available WR you’d give up a 1st for?

@PackLandVA posted:

Which teams losing or winning today will affect if they’re sellers or not?

Do Pittsburgh or Denver losses make Certain WRs more available?

is there any (potentially) available WR you’d give up a 1st for?

I would like either Cooks or Juedy . But a first gives me the shivers. I know they are worth about that but is that the answer? Its looking more and more like we might have a single digit first this year.  "Oh" what to do! 

folks, the WR is not the problem here.  the qb not adjusting to the WR is the problem here.

AR is used to throwing to a spot, our WR's are not knowledgable enough with the system to run Davante routes, a new WR toy wouldn't be the answer...AR has to throw to the open guy on his route, not to a spot...we don't have that caliber of WR and getting one up to speed is not gonna happen until the year is done.

You mean Rodgers knows the offense and receivers don't

And this is a Rodger's problem

I truly think Rodgers needs to play better, but the justifications folks come up with to hate on Rodgers is fucking comical

bro, 12 is pro enough that he has to go with it.  they are rookies, you think that a new wr will fix this? there are so many things busted right now...come on.

Wow. NFL Network reporting that the Bears have traded Roquan Smith to the Ravens, for 2023 second- and fifth-round picks

Bears are loading up for the re-build.

May not happen, but they are at least trying.

@SteveLuke posted:

Bears are loading up for the re-build.

May not happen, but they are at least trying.

Just become a bears fan. It's OK.

Everyone knew before the draft the Packers needed a lot of help at wide receiver, and the front office passed.

Overpaying now after a 3-5 start where best case you're trying to grab the 7 seed if you get a lot of help is a waste of cap space, especially where it seems a lot of players have already checked out. This season sucks so far, but compounding future cap space problems for a very unlikely run is probably the worst thing they could do now. If they dabble now, get a good edge rusher or OLB.

Gute and Co. need to spend the rest of the season bearing down and taking what they gave themselves by "Doing What We Do."

Reassess the thought process that lead to this and go big next year. We'll be playing the #2 or #3 teams in the AFC North and NFC East, which "should" help us dominate in the division next year. It's time to think bigger picture here. Rodgers isn't done yet.

$18M due next year will "cook" the Cooks deal. No way they take on that much cap for him.

Whatever they do don’t do it for this year, do it for the future.

The future is not this year.  They need help at most positions along with coaching, in short the whole outfit from FO on down needs to recalibrate and get on the same page.

Don't over react today.

@Pikes Peak posted:

Whatever they do don’t do it for this year, do it for the future.

The future is not this year.  They need help at most positions along with coaching, in short the whole outfit from FO on down needs to recalibrate and get on the same page.

Don't over react today.

Yes. WR/TE is obviously a huge need, but it might not be the biggest need. If they still had Adams, they'd probably be a playoff team. But, when you get down to the details, just like the last few years, their offensive line just isn't good enough hold up against the pass rushes you see from the elite playoff teams. The Bahk injury had as much do with that and the failure to get to a Super Bowl as anything else.

They need to figure out which of the multitude of guys they've drafted on the OL over the last few years are going to be part of the long-term plan for the line and which guys are Jason Spriggs types that just aren't going to ever be part of the solution. Myers is probably a keeper, but Rhyan, Hanson, Runyan, Tom, Nijman, Caleb Jones, and Newman are all guys they have to really evaluate carefully.

It's possible, even likely, that Bakh probably has at most 2 years left. They have to make a decision on a big extension for Jenkins as well and they need to know he's the 2020 version of Jenkins and not what we see now.

Based on all this, they need to rebuild their OL either through improving who they already have now or moving on and reinvesting some more high picks, because they aren't going anywhere when both starting guards are often getting destroyed by opposing DTs.

@MichiganPacker posted:

Based on all this, they need to rebuild their OL either through improving who they already have now or moving on and reinvesting some more high picks, because they aren't going anywhere when both starting guards are often getting destroyed by opposing DTs.

Gurt has been trying to rebuild the OL the last 3 drafts...

2020 - JRJ, Jake Hanson, Stepaniak
2021 - Myers, Newman, Van Lanan
2022 - Rhyan, Tom, Walker

If 3pm comes and goes and the Packers do nothing, or essentially do nothing by bringing in an aging/no impact player like an AJ Green, that will tell you pretty much what you need to know about what the FO thinks of this team, it's talent level on offense, and where they are in hopes of a SB run.

As I said earlier, I think the FO knows it's quite likely this team racks up 10 or more losses. That gives them a prime pick in the 1st round and then they are picking high in each of the next rounds.

In fact, it wouldn't shock me if they are sellers. Bakh, Amos, or hopefully this..

Buh Bye Darnell.

Four years ago, Gute traded away an underachieving first-round safety at the deadline…

— Zach Kruse (@zachkruse2) November 1, 2022

@Chongo posted:

$18M due next year will "cook" the Cooks deal. No way they take on that much cap for him.

The Packers, like many others in the league, have to adjust to the fact that the cost of elite WRs has skyrocketed in the last year. Obviously, D. Adams has not made a difference in the Raiders won-loss record, but Tyreke Hill has made Tua look a lot better. That's going to embolden other teams to try to do the same type of thing.

Allan Lazard has the top cap hit of any Packers WR and he's 49th in the league. Unless Doubs or Watson become all-pro level guys, the Packers need to find a legit #1 WR and sometimes you get what you pay for. Cooks isn't elite but he's been close in the past, but 18 million for a guy like him is not out of line with the going rate. MVS is getting north of 10 million.

@MichiganPacker posted:

Based on all this, they need to rebuild their OL either through improving who they already have now or moving on and reinvesting some more high picks, because they aren't going anywhere when both starting guards are often getting destroyed by opposing DTs.

All the more important as your QB gets slower and more fragile.

S**t!

@TomPelissero: Trade! The #Lions are sending TE T.J. Hockenson to the #Vikings, sources tell me and @RapSheet.

Minnesota sends a 2023 second-round pick and 2024 third-round pick to Detroit for Hockenson, a 2023 fourth-round pick and a 2024 conditional fourth-round pick.

So the putrid Lions & craptastic Bears are accumulating picks to build for the future, while the 6-1 Vikes are going for the brass ring.

Huh? According to viking fans Irv Smith is the best TE in the NFL. Why would they need Hockenson?

TJ Hockenson not quite OJ Howard in terms of being overrated by draft priors but his PFF grades among qualifying TEs

26th
13th
10th
13th (through 8 games)

That’s a lot to give up for Young Kyle Rudolph.

— Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) November 1, 2022

Don't hold your breath Ryan...

In 9 seasons covering this team, I have never said #Packers needed to make a trade to save their season. Until now. Can’t see them recovering without adding proven WR production. Will it be enough? Only way to know is try.

They have 4 hours to get it done.

— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) November 1, 2022

WGAS? Let the Vikings blow their load to get knocked out in the second round.

@MNPackman posted:

Huh? According to viking fans Irv Smith is the best TE in the NFL. Why would they need Hockenson?

Smith is going on IR with an ankle injury. 8-10 weeks per sources

@SteveLuke posted:

So the putrid Lions & craptastic Bears are accumulating picks to build for the future, while the 6-1 Vikes are going for the brass ring.

And the Packers appear to be doing neither since the end of last offseason