Pistol love of WWJ = Jonny Z love of short WR.
He might just like hairy men.
Enjoy your mediocrity when we start playing competent defenses.
That is gold, Jerry. Gold!
Please don't stop posting.
Pistol GB posted:This doesn't happen with a bunch of scrubs. Perfect passer rating.
Receiving TAR REC YDS AVG TD LG M. Valdes-Scantling 3 2 133 66.5 1 74 J. Graham 4 4 65 16.2 1 29 J. Kumerow 2 2 54 27.0 1 37 D. Vitale 2 2 43 21.5 0 22 A. Lazard 4 3 42 14.0 0 26 A. Jones 4 4 33 8.2 1 21 G. Allison 5 4 33 8.2 0 15 J. Williams 5 4 26 6.5 1 9
Notice anything about that list? 3 RBs with as many targets as any WR. I seriously have no clue why you use a stat sheet that shows how much Rodgers spread it around and how much Mayo schemed to the strength of the offense, particularly the run game. Mayo turned Vitale into a TE and Jones into a WR with the routes they ran.
Keep hoisting yourself on your own retard.
GBFanForLife posted:He might just like hairy men.
Romanian, Hungarian or New Jersian?
Pistol GB posted:Anyway time to move on. The players need to keep it up I get it.
Yeah, that'll happen.
BrainDed posted:I saw Kumerow run an uncontested route vs zone down the right sideline and #12 drop an absolute dime into his bread basket after moving the S with his eyes. He had one more catch on a comeback route.
Sorry, I saw nothing to make me change my mind. I watched the all-22 last week with a specific focus on WWJ to see if he was able to get separation, even when not targeted. He wasn't.
Seems like a great guy, but I see nothing different about him than any of the other WR's that have come and gone through the PS over the years. Hopefully I'm wrong, but odds are that I am not.
Should be interesting to see this weeks all 22 post. Couple Packer beat reporters said Lazard was able to get himself open on 3-4 other routes but the ball went elsewhere. Not sure if this was after his bad drop or not.
Cautiously optimistic GB might have a decent #3 in Lazard.
What was his rap coming out of the draft? Speed?
Henry posted:Pistol GB posted:This doesn't happen with a bunch of scrubs. Perfect passer rating.
Receiving TAR REC YDS AVG TD LG M. Valdes-Scantling 3 2 133 66.5 1 74 J. Graham 4 4 65 16.2 1 29 J. Kumerow 2 2 54 27.0 1 37 D. Vitale 2 2 43 21.5 0 22 A. Lazard 4 3 42 14.0 0 26 A. Jones 4 4 33 8.2 1 21 G. Allison 5 4 33 8.2 0 15 J. Williams 5 4 26 6.5 1 9 Notice anything about that list? 3 RBs with as many targets as any WR. I seriously have no clue why you use a stat sheet that shows how much Rodgers spread it around and how much Mayo schemed to the strength of the offense, particularly the run game. Mayo turned Vitale into a TE and Jones into a WR with the routes they ran.
Keep hoisting yourself on your own retard.
Oh that's right! You're the guy who posted in all seriousness that the offense did not have a complete game yesterday, because Davante Adams wasn't in the stat sheet!!
Pure brilliance, even for you. Did you really post that? I gotta go look.
Who's having a hard time moving on there, Snippy? You still all soresies?
6 and 1 and the bitch narrative just keeps on rolling.
It's beautiful!
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Fandame posted:+ So far, that MLF hiring looks pretty good.
- So far, the D can either be the savior or the goat.
Would you say GB has yet to put together a complete game, or have they?
Not without Adams on the field. The backfield is in full gear and signs of life from Graham. I think the D still has some work to do as well. It's kind of like a train slowly picking up steam. Just stay on the tracks.
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Fandame posted:+ So far, that MLF hiring looks pretty good.
- So far, the D can either be the savior or the goat.
Would you say GB has yet to put together a complete game, or have they?
Not without Adams on the field. The backfield is in full gear and signs of life from Graham. I think the D still has some work to do as well. It's kind of like a train slowly picking up steam. Just stay on the tracks.
I think if both the D and O put it together at the same time it will be a sight to behold.
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You are one dumb SOB. I seriously have zero clue how you see this as negative.
I'd call your blathering a narrative but there actually has to be something cohesive to be a narrative.
At this point you're simply a case study.
So, if we get the realistic wide receiver acquisitions, and they're on the field, but Davante Adams isn't, would that be a complete game by the offense?
Just trying to tie it together for you here. 481 yards of offense: How many of those would Davante have to have, before you would consider it a complete game by the offense?
Is it the offense that wasn't complete, or your narrative? You're riding it right off the rails here, buddy.
Quit, hide, take up heroin, go on vacation, anything but what you're doing. You're better than this.
After yesterday's game, I say let Adams take all the time he needs to get that toe heeled up. We did fine without him, in fact it may have forced Rodgers to get used to spreading it around when Adams does come back.
Adams doesn't even have a TD this year. Overrated?
Pistol GB posted:So, if we get the realistic wide receiver acquisitions, and they're on the field, but Davante Adams isn't, would that be a complete game by the offense?
Just trying to tie it together for you here. 481 yards of offense: How many of those would Davante have to have, before you would consider it a complete game by the offense?
Is it the offense that wasn't complete, or your narrative? You're riding it right off the rails here, buddy.
Quit, hide, take up heroin, go on vacation, anything but what you're doing. Youre better than this.
Vikings smurf for the save!
Lazardâs trip through the draft is pretty bizarre. Found the following with a quick search.
Teams werenât sure if a 6â5â 230lb guy was a WR or TE in the NFL. This seems to be the prevailing reason teams decided to pass on him. There is a little chatter teams worried if heâd be able to create separation on Sundays because at WR of his big frame.
Mayock had him rated as the 80th best prospect in the 2018 draft. I didnât know this. Even McShay and Helmet Head had him being drafted early on day 3. Doesnât look like anyone saw him as UDFA material other than NFL teams though.
He put down a 4.55 40 at the combine. Not blazing. But pretty respectable for 6â5â 230lb WR.
No character concerns. Produced in college. Consensus 4 star recruit out of HS.
Jax signed him as an UDFA and he never saw the field.
Obviously something spooked NFL teams but youâd think his 4.55 40 time would have satisfied enough teams to use a late round pick.
ChilliJon posted:Lazardâs trip through the draft is pretty bizarre. Found the following with a quick search.
Teams werenât sure if a 6â5â 230lb guy was a WR or TE in the NFL. This seems to be the prevailing reason teams decided to pass on him. There is a little chatter teams worried if heâd be able to create separation on Sundays because at WR of his big frame.
Mayock had him rated as the 80th best prospect in the 2018 draft. I didnât know this. Even McShay and Helmet Head had him being drafted early on day 3. Doesnât look like anyone saw him as UDFA material other than NFL teams though.
He put down a 4.55 40 at the combine. Not blazing. But pretty respectable for 6â5â 230lb WR.
No character concerns. Produced in college. Consensus 4 star recruit out of HS.
Jax signed him as an UDFA and he never saw the field.
Obviously something spooked NFL teams but youâd think his 4.55 40 time would have satisfied enough teams to use a late round pick.
Seems kind of weird that he was overlooked because he was too much of a tweener. I'd like to see how he matches up in the corner of the EZ. Maybe he can actually do what we were expecting Graham to do.
Frankie Baggadonuts posted:After yesterday's game, I say let Adams take all the time he needs to get that toe heeled up. We did fine without him, in fact it may have forced Rodgers to get used to spreading it around when Adams does come back.
Adams doesn't even have a TD this year. Overrated?
Good post on the first part, new guy. I don't think you're a Viking or a smurf.
Hang in there. It's a test. And all in good fun.
Frankie Baggadonuts posted:After yesterday's game, I say let Adams take all the time he needs to get that toe heeled up. We did fine without him, in fact it may have forced Rodgers to get used to spreading it around when Adams does come back.
Adams doesn't even have a TD this year. Overrated?
I donât agree Adams absence forced Rodgers to get used to spreading it around.
JMO. Yesterday was a culmination of Rodgers complete buy in to a diversified MLF offense designed to put players into space on time without having to resort to playground drills against a suspect secondary that was on skates all day trying to figure it out.
You could see Rodgers and yesterday coming together weeks ago even when the offense wasnât fully clicking. Rodgers has been completely on board with this offensive plan for months. Starting to come together.
I donât expect the O is going to look like this every week without Adams. But I do expect to see more âwhere the f**k has that been the last few years?â like wheel routes to uncovered FBs.
Pistol GB posted:Frankie Baggadonuts posted:After yesterday's game, I say let Adams take all the time he needs to get that toe heeled up. We did fine without him, in fact it may have forced Rodgers to get used to spreading it around when Adams does come back.
Adams doesn't even have a TD this year. Overrated?
Good post on the first part, new guy. I don't think you're a Viking or a smurf.
Hang in there. It's a test. And all in good fun.
ChilliJon posted:Frankie Baggadonuts posted:After yesterday's game, I say let Adams take all the time he needs to get that toe heeled up. We did fine without him, in fact it may have forced Rodgers to get used to spreading it around when Adams does come back.
Adams doesn't even have a TD this year. Overrated?
I donât agree Adams absence forced Rodgers to get used to spreading it around.
JMO. Yesterday was a culmination of Rodgers complete buy in to a diversified MLF offense designed to put players into space on time without having to resort to playground drills against a suspect secondary that was on skates all day trying to figure it out.
You could see Rodgers and yesterday coming together weeks ago even when the offense wasnât fully clicking. Rodgers has been completely on board with this offensive plan for months. Starting to come together.
I donât expect the O is going to look like this every week without Adams. But I do expect to see more âwhere the f**k has that been the last few years?â like wheel routes to uncovered FBs.
It's the kind of play calling that keeps DC's guessing even if that particular playset isn't loaded in the chamber. The playcalling was excellent but it's as much that Mayo will use EVERYTHING at his disposal. He'd probably have Opie do some drop kicks if that was the best match up.
ChilliJon posted:Lazardâs trip through the draft is pretty bizarre. Found the following with a quick search.
Teams werenât sure if a 6â5â 230lb guy was a WR or TE in the NFL. This seems to be the prevailing reason teams decided to pass on him. There is a little chatter teams worried if heâd be able to create separation on Sundays because at WR of his big frame.
Mayock had him rated as the 80th best prospect in the 2018 draft. I didnât know this. Even McShay and Helmet Head had him being drafted early on day 3. Doesnât look like anyone saw him as UDFA material other than NFL teams though.
He put down a 4.55 40 at the combine. Not blazing. But pretty respectable for 6â5â 230lb WR.
No character concerns. Produced in college. Consensus 4 star recruit out of HS.
Jax signed him as an UDFA and he never saw the field.
Obviously something spooked NFL teams but youâd think his 4.55 40 time would have satisfied enough teams to use a late round pick.
It is bizarre, but might be to the Packs benefit.
Charlie Campbell does a series on "why un-drafted". Kind of a hindsight on why a player like Lazard with good college production, good height and decent speed, etc...goes un-drafted.
Sounds like a ugly Senior Bowl practice at least partially attributed:
"Sources say there were a few reasons why Lazard was not selected. In speaking to one team, they had speed concerns with Lazard. They felt that the 6-foot-4, 227-pounder wasn't fast enough to transition to the NFL. Another team felt that dropped passes and not being a tough player is what caused them to have Lazard as an undrafted player. Lazard had one very ugly practice at the Senior Bowl with a lot of dropped passes to reinforce that concern. As a big possession receiver, being sure-handed is a basic trait to have."
Prove em' wrong Alan !!
I've changed my mind. WWJ is a cross between Don Beebe, Wayne Chrebet and Ray Berry.
Looks like has a bit of Lance Alworth too.
His mom got around
I can't believe there are folks here griping about how many passes our running backs get all of a sudden. Geez, under MM it was, "Why aren't they throwing more screens to the backs?" "What about using ___________ RB; he has good hands." "Where are the passes to the FB?" "I haven't seen a wheel route in years!" Now MLF does those things and it's "Our WRs are crap! Look at all the passes to RBs instead!"
I like what MLF has done by passing the ball around. WRs, RBs, TEs, etc., all see the ball. Everyone is involved and opposing DCs don't know who to key on. Evidence? 6-1 folks, 6-1.
I donât think MLF approaches any game with the intention of âspreading the ball aroundâ. I think thatâs missing the point of whatâs happening.
I think he focuses on weak spots in the defense and attacks those points with different players from multiple formations.
Sometimes he attacks the same spot with different players from the same formation.
Heâs making it tough to spot tendencies on film.
if I could point to one primary difference between MM and MLF its this. MM was all about play execution. MLF is all about the players. Hard to beat MM if he has great players. MLF is beating Mike if Mike doesnât.
I agree with you, CJ. It's just that folks complain about backs seeing too many passes, backs not seeing enough. Rodgers got a perfect passer rating and yet folks still gripe. I'd much rather have MLF's approach than MM's. Given great players, almost any coach looks good. Taking what you got -- good, bad, and in-between -- and maximizing it to attack the other team's weakness is what coaching is all about.
They played the 31st ranked pass D yesterday. KC isn't much better. But Adams might be overrated so I guess it balances out.
MLF has been given 3 backs that are useful in many ways and heâs making it hard to defend them. The wheel route to Jones against Detroit was a perfect example of MLF knowing heâd be open for 7. Jones just dropped it. Loved that he went back to it yesterday (from a different formation) and Jones made a tougher catch.
Very tough team to defend with MLF and Rodgers buying into 100% of it.
Fandame posted:Now MLF does those things and it's "Our WRs are crap! Look at all the passes to RBs instead!"
This is an excellent point except that no has connected the dots that way.
I like LaFleur's playcalling so far. I'd love the Packers to be able to run the screen like the way they did so often and effectively back under Holmgren. You knew it was coming and could do nothing about it to stop big yards.
Look around the NFL over the last several years... Saints, Patriots, Steelers, even Eagles and Seahawks- all heavily using check downs and getting RBs the ball in space.
In the Eagles game, the WRs were not geating open, and they got back in the game by dumping the ball off. Move the chains. Tom Brady has made a HOF career out of it. So has Brees.
This is what a lot of folks have been clamoring for- a system that has the opponentâs LBs and Ss running around like a Chinese fire drill while Rodgers picks them apart and never holds the ball more than 3 seconds. They zig, he zags. They zag he zigs. Throw a few downfield at the right time and you get 25-31, 5 TDs and a perfect passer rating. Theyâre finally proving what we thought all along- in that system, Rodgers would go Brady/Brees better than they do.
DH13 posted:They played the 31st ranked pass D yesterday. KC isn't much better. But Adams might be overrated so I guess it balances out.
KC is much better. 4th in Sacks. New test for MLF. I donât think KC is good in the secondary. But they are great up front. This is a trench game. If GB OL outplays KC DL GB wins.
Pistol GB posted:Frankie Baggadonuts posted:After yesterday's game, I say let Adams take all the time he needs to get that toe heeled up. We did fine without him, in fact it may have forced Rodgers to get used to spreading it around when Adams does come back.
Adams doesn't even have a TD this year. Overrated?
Good post on the first part, new guy. I don't think you're a Viking or a smurf.
Hang in there. It's a test. And all in good fun.
Adams was targeted 15 times in the only game we lost this year.
Maybe if some of these other wr's had more targets last year, they'd be more developed and ready THIS year.
111 catches last year for Adams. Next closest wr was MVS with only 38.
Frankie Baggadonuts posted:Maybe if some of these other wr's had more targets last year, they'd be more developed and ready THIS year.
111 catches last year for Adams. Next closest wr was MVS with only 38.
Fandame posted:I agree with you, CJ. It's just that folks complain about backs seeing too many passes, backs not seeing enough. Rodgers got a perfect passer rating and yet folks still gripe. I'd much rather have MLF's approach than MM's. Given great players, almost any coach looks good. Taking what you got -- good, bad, and in-between -- and maximizing it to attack the other team's weakness is what coaching is all about.
Would the internet exist if folks weren't complaining?
