Both catches today were easy pitch and catch throws.
Prediction. He's out of the league in 2020.
I'd like to see him succeed, but he just isn't special. We're seeing his ceiling.
Mindless cliches.
"Easy pitch and catch," say what? You mean he got open. Isn't that what you want him to do?
So if he's covered and makes the catch, that makes him better. Sound logic.
”Ceiling,” what does that even mean? Touchdowns? Uh yes, that IS the ceiling alright, and he went there. I'll take that ceiling and yeah, that qualifies as "special" to most people.
Not even halfway and you're past tense on Kumerow. Alrighty then. Out of football next year. Good luck with that.
He's the same player since coming out of college. 0 improvement in his game.
Yes, I do expect him to get open and fight for contested balls. Work ethic and effort is great in practice, just not seeing it consistently on the field.
Rodgers was on fire... How come Kumerow only had 2 targets yesterday?
Instead of denigrating the guy, why not just hold off and see what he does while he is getting the opportunity?
Hungry5 posted:He's the same player since coming out of college. 0 improvement in his game.
Yes, I do expect him to get open and fight for contested balls. Work ethic and effort is great in practice, just not seeing it consistently on the field.
Rodgers was on fire... How come Kumerow only had 2 targets yesterday?
I have seen virtually every game Kumerow played at Whitewater. Given the opportunity, he will make plays. Like he did yesterday. What games did you see him play at Whitewater? Zero improvement? You can’t be serious.
Pistol GB posted:Mindless cliches.
"Easy pitch and catch," say what? You mean he got open. Isn't that what you want him to do?
So if he's covered and makes the catch, that makes him better. Sound logic.
”Ceiling,” what does that even mean? Touchdowns? Uh yes, that IS the ceiling alright, and he went there. I'll take that ceiling and yeah, that qualifies as "special" to most people.
Not even halfway and you're past tense on Kumerow. Alrighty then. Out of football next year. Good luck with that.
My guess is that he will not be out of football next year but he will revert to his previous level, someone's camp star and a spot on someone's practice squad. Maybe Green Bays.
And that's OK.
Production does not equal talent. Jarrett Boykin caught 50 passes for 700 yards in 8 games and then barely lasted 1 more season in the NFL. Maybe Kumerow adds some value, but in the end he's not a starting caliber WR and no amount of targets or reps are going to make that true. Just like Jarrett Boykin though, if he's starting for you then you have a depth problem. I know people want him to be the next Jordy Nelson because he went to school in WI, the work ethic is there, the h/w/s is there, but he's in year 5 of his career and hasn't put it together. I'm sure Rodgers will get him the ball more and he will end the season with respectable production for a #4 WR, which should be fine. He's not the future at WR though and he's not irreplaceable.
...but he is white and from WI. So he's got that going for him, which is nice.
R MaN posted:Hungry5 posted:He's the same player since coming out of college. 0 improvement in his game.
Yes, I do expect him to get open and fight for contested balls. Work ethic and effort is great in practice, just not seeing it consistently on the field.
Rodgers was on fire... How come Kumerow only had 2 targets yesterday?
I have seen virtually every game Kumerow played at Whitewater. Given the opportunity, he will make plays. Like he did yesterday. What games did you see him play at Whitewater? Zero improvement? You can’t be serious.
Oh my, Whitewater. How has he improved in the NFL after 3 different teams and multiple years on practice squads? I was looking forward to seeing what he could do as well. After seeing him get manhandled off the line I knew it was another Janis situation. He doesn’t have the technique to shake a DB if he has to and guess what, he has to.
BrainDed posted:...but he is white and from WI. So he's got that going for him, which is nice.
Actually from Illinois
What?
We hate white people from Illinois?
Except Janis was a really good ST gunner. I would honestly kill to have Janis right now covering kicks. We ragged on guys like Jarrett Bush and Jeff Janis, but those guys were studs on STs, so reliable.
Don’t disagree. It’s just hearing the whining about how under utilized, blah, blah, blah they are. Funny how nobody said that about Jarret Bush.
BrainDed posted:Cut his ass then. FIB.
That’s a possibility. I never thought of that.
Henry posted:Don’t disagree. It’s just hearing the whining about how under utilized, blah, blah, blah they are. Funny how nobody said that about Jarret Bush.
Who had 2 HUGE plays in the Super Bowl, no shits given about his lack of opportunities.
Blair Kiel posted:What?
We hate white people from Illinois?
I like Frank Kaminsky
R MaN posted:I have seen virtually every game Kumerow played at Whitewater.
When you are in elementary school, no one cares where you went to pre-school.
When you are in middle school, no one cares where you went to elementary school.
When you are in high school, no one cares where you went to middle school.
When you are in college, no one cares where you went to high school.
When you are in the pros/have a job, no one cares where you went to college.
Rodgers liked what he saw in practices, it's just not translating to the games. Why is Lazard getting more reps/opportunities? It's because he is better and is improving. Yes, we've seen Kumerow's ceiling.
phaedrus posted:Instead of denigrating the guy, why not just hold off and see what he does while he is getting the opportunity?
The thing is, his window of opportunity is closing. I think Lazard has already passed him on the dept chart. Lazard had 17 snaps vs Det and 51 yesterday. Kumerow had 65 snaps vs Det and 43 yesterday. That's probably the start of a trend.
Adams is coming back in the next 1 or 2 games. That's going to take a LOT of snaps away from someone. My bet is on Kumerow losing more snaps than Lazard. *IF* the Packers make a move for a vet WR then you are going to see Kumerow's snaps drop down to less than 10 a game. Next year they have ESB back. They probably draft another WR. Only so many spots to go around.
Long term outlook isn't great for Kumerow. He needed to really make a splash with Adams out and he just didn't do it. 3 games, 156 snaps, 7 targets, 5 catches, 80 yards and a TD.
Yeah, glad to see Lazard get more snaps and even though he dropped one I see his ceiling as higher.
That drop is his only target so far that wasn't a completion. Should be 8-8 the past two games.
Did he lose that ball in the sun? From the angle of the shadows it looked like that might have happened.
Maybe the only reason Kumerow is still a Packer is because Gutey is afraid of a mob hit.
He is also the great-grandson of Chicago mob boss Tony Accardo
BrainDed posted:...but he is white and from WI. So he's got that going for him, which is nice.
He's a Flatlander. He's also cousins with the Bosa's. His great gramps was in the chicago mob, not to be mistaken for the Milwaukee mob. The chi mob and the MKE mob are not friendly. I know these things.
I will say this when it comes to comparing Kumerow and Lazard. When Lazard has the option, he's a body catcher. Kumerow is always hands from what I've seen.
Hands guy usually has less drops.
That's funny. Because that was the opposite of what I saw yesterday. JK's TD he caught in his arms up against his chest. He didn't have to leave his feet on that catch either. He did his little bunny hop so he could bread basket that ball. It was odd. If he stayed on his feet and plucked the ball out of the air he likely doesn't have to tightrope the sideline.
I think he just ran his pattern a little tight to the sideline. Rodgers fit it in there, and to JK's credit, he managed to stay inbounds long enough to squeak the ball inside the pylon. He runs that pattern even a foot more to the inside and it's an easier TD as he runs away from the DB.
When did we start hating the Great White Hope?
No hate. I just never miss a chance to jab the standard over the top homer and even better the guy who doesn't know who the idiot is in the room.
Everybody loves the feel good hometown boy routine.
I'd be happy as hell if he helped Zombo the Packers to another Superbowl but he's still a scrub. Thinking he's going to be a regular starter for years to come is goofy as fuck at this point.
Pakrz posted:When did we start hating the Great White Hope?
No idea but it's pretty lame. Sticking with the narrative I guess. Pro Bowlers at every spot or nitpick and critique each one to death. Go tell it to the hand.
The entire offense was a thing of beauty yesterday, and every player who played a part deserves credit for it, WWJ included.
Henry posted:I'd be happy as hell if he helped Zombo the Packers to another Superbowl but he's still a scrub. Thinking he's going to be a regular starter for years to come is goofy as fuck at this point.
Missing the point. He may not be a Pro Bowler, but in this offense he doesn't need to be.
All of them: Kumerow, Lazard, MVS, Allison, they're good, competent receivers who played their part in a well-oiled machine yesterday, a machine that's working. They don't need or deserve to be singled out and ragged on by know-it-alls predicting where they'll be next year.
Who cares about next year? This team is making its move now, and all of those guys -- including your whipping boy -- are a part of it. Get on board with it or shut up hey.
With all due respect, of course.
Pistol GB posted:Tightwalking the sideline after that grab for the TD. Yeah he sucks.
I've not seen anyone say "He sucks." Marginal talent/replaceable sure, but not he sucks (I'm leaning that way with Sheppard right now). Maybe he busts out in the next couple games, that would be incredible. Doubtful, but incredible. I'm still rooting for him.
I hope we can upgrade the position ASAP so we don't have to rely on a bunch of snaps from WWJ.
"Doesn't belong on the field"
"The less he's on the field the better"
"Undrafted for a reason"
"Ahhh.. Put me in the the UDFA's and Gmo suck camp then"
"Nice story but this and b.s. blah blah that"
"Out of the league next year"
"No receivers on the roster besides Adams that would start for any other team"
"A number one and a bunch of #4's"
”It’s never going to happen”
"Cut him"
"Our receivers really do suck"
”He’s Brett Swain” (who sucked) “Truer words never spoken”
”I have no problem with giving backups playing time but not when they prove they suck”
"He's still a scrub" (2 posts above this one!)
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That's just the last few days! Take a look around. The entire BS narrative has been blathering like that for 3 weeks.
Don't even get me started on the "let's trade for AJ Browngreensanders" nonsense.
Then yesterday happens and what do we get? A whole doubling down of the same smelly crap. Embarrassing.
Anyway time to move on. The players need to keep it up I get it.
I don't know why I'm engaging but I will give it one shot. Any credible pundit will tell you the Packers weakness on offense is WR depth. Why does it make us debbie downers to agree with this nearly universal opinion in the football world?
Because you watched the game yesterday and here you are today sticking with what the evidence tells you is complete bullshit.
This doesn't happen with a bunch of scrubs. Perfect passer rating.
| Receiving | ||||||
| TAR | REC | YDS | AVG | TD | LG | |
| M. Valdes-Scantling | 3 | 2 | 133 | 66.5 | 1 | 74 |
| J. Graham | 4 | 4 | 65 | 16.2 | 1 | 29 |
| J. Kumerow | 2 | 2 | 54 | 27.0 | 1 | 37 |
| D. Vitale | 2 | 2 | 43 | 21.5 | 0 | 22 |
| A. Lazard | 4 | 3 | 42 | 14.0 | 0 | 26 |
| A. Jones | 4 | 4 | 33 | 8.2 | 1 | 21 |
| G. Allison | 5 | 4 | 33 | 8.2 | 0 | 15 |
| J. Williams | 5 | 4 | 26 | 6.5 | 1 | 9 |
I saw Kumerow run an uncontested route vs zone down the right sideline and #12 drop an absolute dime into his bread basket after moving the S with his eyes. He had one more catch on a comeback route.
Sorry, I saw nothing to make me change my mind. I watched the all-22 last week with a specific focus on WWJ to see if he was able to get separation, even when not targeted. He wasn't.
Seems like a great guy, but I see nothing different about him than any of the other WR's that have come and gone through the PS over the years. Hopefully I'm wrong, but odds are that I am not.