quote:@Aaron_Nagler: It is indeed. Maybe they just let him walk? RT @ImNoddaStar: hey isn't Capers contract up this year?
Whoa, Heyward and GD totally just unintentionally hit me with a philosophical quandry: is this a matter of Capers just needing the right pieces and he's as good as anyone, or is this a guy that's only as good as the players on the field and we need someone that can work in less ideal circumstances?
Winner, winner, chicken dinner!quote:Originally posted by Johnny Boy:
SF had a really hot QB and wide-out. Most every pass he thru hit the receiver right in stride. He was unconscious.
Grave Digger - I just want to say you're compiling quite a body of work here in this thread. I was dead-set in my opinion 48 hours ago, and the more of your posts I read, the more I'm wondering. I dunno if you've actually changed my mind yet, but you're definitely steering me toward a whole new way of looking at it. I appreciate the case you're making.
This isn't intended to pile on or spew drama but there was something odd about Dom's winnebago tour with the lombardi after 2010. I enjoyed seeing him share that with the fans, etc. But something about that just struck me as odd. It seems a bit like something somebody would do after they've reached their ultimate goal and said, "well, that's it. I've done it. Time to kick back and rest on laurels".
Hey Pakrz! That was'nt the comeback i expected but from reading your posts you spend more time cutting down what people are saying than adding something thats worth reading. I have forgot more about the Packers than you know about them. So keep your smart mouth to yourself. People like you is why i left the first time.
quote:I have forgot more about the Packers than you know about them.
That may possibly be, but your previous post gave no evidence of this.
I beg too differ. After reading the post I was convinced he had forgotten everything he learned about the packers.
I was just telling alittle bit about myself and then just added a few simply things that we should'nt have done and what we should do. Just my opinion of course.Don't make it a big deal.Lets be adults and talk Packers.
Mcginn gave the LB's 0.5 stars in his weekly grade article.. LOL.
This could be used for either side of the Capers debate I guess. I see it as ILB's were out manned while the OLB's were out smarted.
This could be used for either side of the Capers debate I guess. I see it as ILB's were out manned while the OLB's were out smarted.
quote:LINEBACKERS (one-half)
Clay Matthews got the W over LT Joe Staley in Game 1, and Staley got the W in the rematch. Matthews was double-teamed on 33% of passes. His only pressure was the first-quarter sack against Staley, who did a great job staying on balance and not lunging. Matthews (78 of 78 snaps) was too quick for Staley to handle on the back side of the run game. The 49ers aimed almost all their read-option attack at Erik Walden (51) and Dezman Moses (27). Had Walden been a step deeper into the backfield, Kaepernick probably would have handed off on his 56-yard TD instead of circling Walden. Other times, Walden shot inside when the defensive package didn't appear defined. It was grab-bagging defense at its worst. When Walden moved inside as a spy on third and 9, he let Kaepernick blow right by him for 15. You love Walden for his toughness and heart, but he is shy some football instinct. Moses was a much quicker study against the read-option. A.J. Hawk (56) was a lot better than Brad Jones (78). Hawk didn't get to Vernon Davis' body on the 44-yard seam route over the top of him. However, he did a decent job slipping blocks and plugging the run. Jones just wasn't good enough for a game of this magnitude. He was late seeing James on his 14-yard burst on third and 1. He was abused by FB Bruce Miller on Frank Gore's 16-yard run. He was run over by pulling LG Mike Iupati on an 11-yard gain by Gore. He lost lane integrity on Dom Capers' lone six-man blitz and let Kaepernick run for a first down.
Dumb and slow ain't a great way to go through life?
That's not unlikely, Goalline, but that doesn't necessarily mean he knew much to forget in the first place.
quote:I beg too differ. After reading the post I was convinced he had forgotten everything he learned about the packers.
Well done, Ty.
quote:Originally posted by mark:
I was just telling alittle bit about myself and then just added a few simply things that we should'nt have done and what we should do. Just my opinion of course.Don't make it a big deal.Lets be adults and talk Packers.
Say whatever you want and ignore the trolls. There's a subset of about 10 people here who will attack you personally instead of responding with cogent thoughts and counterpoints. Miserable people will always try to drag you down to their Jerry Springer level of thinking. Enjoy the games, post on, and feel welcome to your own opinions. There's 10 people here who get sand in their ladyparts over it and 500 who couldn't care less.
so what Bob McGinn is saying is that our 3rd string ILB couldn't handle a game of this magnitude? and our undrafted FA OLB's were exposed?
takes a real ****ing genius to figure that out. guess what? This defense lacks the talent to compete in the NFL playoffs. Let's accept that and move on.
takes a real ****ing genius to figure that out. guess what? This defense lacks the talent to compete in the NFL playoffs. Let's accept that and move on.
quote:Originally posted by bubbleboy789:
so what Bob McGinn is saying is that our 3rd string ILB couldn't handle a game of this magnitude? and our undrafted FA OLB's were exposed?
takes a real ****ing genius to figure that out. guess what? This defense lacks the talent to compete in the NFL playoffs. Let's accept that and move on.
Funny, but I didn't hear too many people saying this before Saturday night.
that's true. i suppose it was less obvious.
It's fair enough to say Capers didn't have the horses to pull the sled. I don't think anyone would argue that point. But then what about the offense's approach in the second half? Close game. Defense is gassed and getting worked and the offense completely abandoned the run and did nothing to try to protect the defense. They had an idea how they wanted the game to go and when it didn't go their way they panicked and started flinging it all over the field.
It's fantastic to use your all world QB to put pressure on a defense but each game takes its own turns. It's like once the game goes off their script they're at a loss for ideas. Situational awareness was no where to be found.
MM has a bad habit of putting the weight of the world on Rodgers. He's a fantastic quarterback but he shouldn't have to carry the load every single time the going gets rough. It gets predictable after a while:
Keep them close and eventually they abandon the run and become one dimensional.
It's fantastic to use your all world QB to put pressure on a defense but each game takes its own turns. It's like once the game goes off their script they're at a loss for ideas. Situational awareness was no where to be found.
MM has a bad habit of putting the weight of the world on Rodgers. He's a fantastic quarterback but he shouldn't have to carry the load every single time the going gets rough. It gets predictable after a while:
Keep them close and eventually they abandon the run and become one dimensional.
quote:Originally posted by heyward:
Funny, but I didn't hear too many people saying this before Saturday night.
I think it's the old hope for the best thing. I'm guilty of it too and it works so long as the offense is clicking on all cylinders and the game goes their way. But the one thing they have to have is the turnover margin. That was the huge difference in the 2010 run more than any other factor and it's the most overlooked factor. You can murderize a weak team with it. You can beat a bigger, faster, stronger, smarter team if you have that in your pocket. If you don't you're dead in the water.
I think that bears repeating. The packers' offense and inability to control the ball exasperates a defensive issue that is glaringly apparent.
quote:Originally posted by Grave Digger:
To me he's shown what he can do when he has the talent. When the players are firing on all cylinders, he can out-coach anyone. I'm not giving him a lifetime contract, but get some guys healthy, give him a real ILB to pair with Bish, and give him a real Safety. If you get him the tools and he fails, then yeah he's past his prime. I don't think he will fail with more talent though.
My response would be that he's been the defensive coordinator now for four seasons. He's had plenty of opportunity to watch film of linebackers and safeties in the NCAA. He's provided his feedback when it's come to developing a list of players to target in the draft. And while injuries have certainly taken their toll, the truth is that Capers hasn't addressed the areas of need you just identified. We're running a 3-4 defense that requires dynamic interior linebackers to work effectively. Even if Desmond Bishop had been there all year, is Hawk the other guy that will make the system work? How much more time are we willing to give him? Aaron Rodgers is not getting any younger. Let's not wait until he's 32 to make a move.
At some point you have to say that it's not working out.
quote:Originally posted by mark:
Hey Pakrz! That was'nt the comeback i expected but from reading your posts you spend more time cutting down what people are saying than adding something thats worth reading. I have forgot more about the Packers than you know about them. So keep your smart mouth to yourself. People like you is why i left the first time.
quote:Originally posted by heyward:quote:Originally posted by bubbleboy789:
so what Bob McGinn is saying is that our 3rd string ILB couldn't handle a game of this magnitude? and our undrafted FA OLB's were exposed?
takes a real ****ing genius to figure that out. guess what? This defense lacks the talent to compete in the NFL playoffs. Let's accept that and move on.
Funny, but I didn't hear too many people saying this before Saturday night.
The question that was asked prior to the game (which was spot on) was whether or not GB's advantage at QB and WR would be enough to overcome SF's advantage pretty much everywhere else. Turns out it wasn't.
Clark Haggans, Larry Grant, Tavares Gooden. That's essentially the 49'ers version of Hawk, Walden, and Jones. (yeah, I know Hawk is a starter but it's time for him to not be a starter)
Think GB would have been able to exploit Haggans/Grant/Gooden if they were forced to play? Me too. I don't agree that this team lacks the talent to compete in the playoffs. They simply lacked the talent to compete with a team like SF.
Perfect example of the weak ass mindset that passes for conversation by the subset around here. When you're insecure you take the easy way out and ridicule instead of letting reason be the ground you stand on. Biggest disappointment of it is that your smarter than that and could have easily taken the thirty seconds to shoot the fish in the barrel or put your fragile ego aside and ignore it but you ended up looking like a boorish ******* to anyone with a sense of civility.quote:Originally posted by Pakrz:
quote:MM has a bad habit of putting the weight of the world on Rodgers. He's a fantastic quarterback but he shouldn't have to carry the load every single time the going gets rough. It gets predictable after a while:
Keep them close and eventually they abandon the run and become one dimensional.
MM is the Phil Jackson of the NFL. Without Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant, what would he be?
I think the killer is that they were right there with them until they abandoned the run in the third quarter which is also what they did in the first game to disastrous results. Someone remarked that Harris may have suffered a concussion and if so that's a shame. Guy played pretty darn good up till that point and may have been the straw that broke the injury camel's back.quote:Originally posted by ChilliJon:
I don't agree that this team lacks the talent to compete in the playoffs. They simply lacked the talent to compete with a team like SF.
quote:Originally posted by titmfatied:Perfect example of the weak ass mindset that passes for conversation by the subset around here. When you're insecure you take the easy way out and ridicule instead of letting reason be the ground you stand on. Biggest disappointment of it is that your smarter than that and could have easily taken the thirty seconds to shoot the fish in the barrel or put your fragile ego aside and ignore it but you ended up looking like a boorish ******* to anyone with a sense of civility.quote:Originally posted by Pakrz:
@Tit. This offense has seemed like it's been grinding all year. Going all the way back to pre-season. Nothing has ever felt like it was really clicking (the exception being Houston). The Packers dropped from converting 48% of 3rd downs in 2011 to 41% this year. Maybe the bigger concern is that they faced 3rd downs 26 more times than 2011. They weren't as productive on 1st and 2nd downs this year, which likely led to more 3rd and longs and thus the drop to 41% conversion on 3rd. Masthay got in alot more work vs. last year. I can't find any stats but it seemed like this offense had far more 3 and outs this year.
Even with all this they still put points up and AR was the best QB in football, again. It just seemed like this year was sweat equity while last year seemed easy by comparison. I trust MM will figure the offense out for 2013 though.
Even with all this they still put points up and AR was the best QB in football, again. It just seemed like this year was sweat equity while last year seemed easy by comparison. I trust MM will figure the offense out for 2013 though.
The first comment in that Packer Update article is one for the ages.
As is the response from Hank.
quote:Maybe you should try logic instead of thinking you’re the smartest guy in the room. Just a tip for you, you aren’t.
The Capers argument has merit. Your foolish diatribes are just that, foolish.
quote:Originally posted by heyward:quote:Originally posted by bubbleboy789:
so what Bob McGinn is saying is that our 3rd string ILB couldn't handle a game of this magnitude? and our undrafted FA OLB's were exposed?
takes a real ****ing genius to figure that out. guess what? This defense lacks the talent to compete in the NFL playoffs. Let's accept that and move on.
Funny, but I didn't hear too many people saying this before Saturday night.
Agreed and I still don't believe that to be the case. You can cobble it altogether, injuries, the Capers debate, the fact that TT drafted a bunch of young guys that may need more than one season to mature into their roles. It isn't a matter of lacking talent it's a matter of maturation and constant addition. Do they have all the pieces to be a powerhouse defense? No, but they do have the talent to be competitive in the playoffs. Maturation, coaching or the addition of one or two more legit players.
The smart subset likes to look at all angles.
quote:Originally posted by titmfatied:
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MM has a bad habit of putting the weight of the world on Rodgers. He's a fantastic quarterback but he shouldn't have to carry the load every single time the going gets rough. It gets predictable after a while:
Keep them close and eventually they abandon the run and become one dimensional.
What the hell is wrong about putting it on Rodgers??? Everyone says he's the best player in the NFL. He is the highest paid Packer and should have to carry more weight. That is the guy I want with the responsibility. Why do you want some running back on his 3rd team in 2 years, that was selling used cars 6 weeks ago carrying the load?
I said it Saturday night and I'll say it again here. Blame the defense all you want, but the offense should take more of the blame for this one. 3 points in the second half, (except for garbage TD at the end) has as much to do as anything.
The offense's inability to sustain drives had been an issue all season. Production out of the TE position has a hand in that, as does the lack of run game. The offense does have some responsibility in keeping an overmatched D off the field.
It would be great to see an investment in an elite runner. It's against conventional wisdom, but I still think there is an answer there. You cannot play in the shotgun all day. We know hat after this season.
It would be great to see an investment in an elite runner. It's against conventional wisdom, but I still think there is an answer there. You cannot play in the shotgun all day. We know hat after this season.
All warfare is based on deception.- Sun Tzu
Why turn one dimensional when your running back is averaging 4.8 yards? Especially when your D is gased and your most dependable receiver is flu-riden and by most appearances, out of the gameplan.
Why turn one dimensional when your running back is averaging 4.8 yards? Especially when your D is gased and your most dependable receiver is flu-riden and by most appearances, out of the gameplan.
quote:Originally posted by Music City: You cannot play in the shotgun all day.
Add in empty backfield as well. There obviously is NO WAY to respect the run when there ain't no one back there!
I will restate that I am fine with the stable they have now with a pick tossed in next year.
quote:Originally posted by LarseeBear:
All warfare is based on deception.- Sun Tzu
If I'm going to war I'm not using my smallest weapon, I'm using the biggest baddest weapon I have. And that ain't DuJuan Harris.
Would you go to war with Maurice Jones Drew? Of course DJH isn't in that class but I do not think size is an issue with him. IMO, he is the hardest runner they have had since Ahman Green.
They aren't going to give up on Green. I would give Starks one more year. That covers three spots in that stable with many other holes to fill on that roster.
They aren't going to give up on Green. I would give Starks one more year. That covers three spots in that stable with many other holes to fill on that roster.