Anyone have an armchair scouting report on Jake McGee, TE from Florida? At 6-6, 252 with a projected 4.69, he's likely to be among the biggest and fastest TEs in the class. Decent production in the SEC, too. But I'm seeing him "graded" anywhere from a 3rd to a 6th/7th. What gives?
He's a little bit older at 24 and he suffered a pretty brutal leg injury in 2015. He seemed to rebound well, but those are his big knocks. We will see how his Senior Bowl goes, I don't think he goes lower than round 5, but round 3 is more realistic based on his skillset.
I think one thing may be the problem and that is how horrible at times the Florida offense was last year. It could be a tough sell to get a UF offensive player ranked high but I think if he is talented the scouts will figure that out quickly.
Starting to think that GB will be taking OLB with one of their first 2 picks. Have more shallow positions that need help(ILB and TE specifically) but there's a reason why edge rushers get paid a ton. Peppers is old, Clay is entering his age 30 season, and Perry or Neal or perhaps even both won't be back(and both are average players as it is). They need to find another young high upside option for that group.
Ted seems to look beyond the current year with the draft. Look at the 2017 free agents: Julius Peppers, Josh Sitton, TJ Lang, Datone Jones, Eddie Lacy, Davis Bahktiari, JC Tretter, Micah Hyde, Jayrone Elliot (RFA), Mike Pennel (RFA), John Crockett, Josh Walker, etc. They can't wait to replace two starting Guards and their primary backups next year. Same thing for OLB with Neal and Perry being FAs this year...4 of our top 5 OLBs will be FAs over over this offseason and next. Same thing with...
Agreed on TE and ILB. We'll probably see a couple more WRs and maybe a late round OLB to switch positions though. Overall I think TT does a great job but it almost seems like he has a bias against these positions.
That said, I am not totally against a stud OLB so Clay can stay inside more. Clay has been very disruptive inside, especially on stunts where he blitzes. And I never saw him lose contain while playing ILB. ;-)
After Ragland I think Joe Schobert is the second best ILB in the draft. I know he was an OLB at Wisconsin, but I see the instincts, the aggressive/attacking mentality, and the athleticism to get the job done. I think he could easily make the conversion. I'd like to see a veteran LB signed, like one of the guys from Denver, but I would double down and bring this guy to GB. He has the versatility to slide down to OLB and pressure off the edge also.
My money is on a D-Tackle or edge rusher. TT has said he's fond of big bodies early and shown pass rushers and secondary defenders also. There are a few interesting TEs at the Senior Bowl who could be awfully tempting in Round3, maybe even 2.
His premise that Ted doesn't value the ILB position as highly as some others is certainly hard to argue. He hasn’t spent an R1-3 pick on the spot in ten years. Hopefully a decade of mediocre play at what the rest of the league views as a premier position has changed his thinking some. My favorite part of the Miller video was that “Thompson” doesn’t hang on to his players. Is there a GM in the league with a better track record at this? Doesn’t he do this to a fault according to the masses...
It's both, really, with TT's system because every schlub he dumps is someone he picked and every Hawkstiff he keeps is also his pick. It's awfully hard to dump a guy you didn't sign in the first place.
I agree, but they are much more than decent. Thomas Davis is a Pro Bowl level player and Luke Kuechly is on track to be a Hall of Famer (DROY and a defensive player of the year award in his first 4 years).
This guy also: - mentions the Packers don't do a good job retaining their own. - says they need CB help because they are likely to lose Hayward. - says they need OLB help because Peppers is getting old - doesn't mention what they have or the young FA's (Neal & Perry) they could retain. - mentions they need OL help specifically at G and OT. I think this guy got some of these right.
I think if history tells us anything: 1. Thompson doesn't have patterns. He lives and dies by the board. If the board offers what he needs then he takes it, if it doesn't then he trades. If the best player available is an ILB then he will take him. 2. Draft "gurus" outside of the big boys like Mayock are generally wrong...especially this far from the draft. We haven't finished the Senior Bowl, so I doubt the Packers board is close to finished.
Ted wasn't a starter though right? I thought he was basically the high effort, scrappy STs player...basically the Jarrett Bush or the Chris Banjo for his team. Maybe he's looking for LBs who are just like him: backups.
I never thought he was a stiff in the 43. I thought he had his best seasons in that role. The defense overall was suspect, especially in 2008, but he was actually one of the solid players on that D. He's a perfect example of how not all LBs are created equal...just because you're 6'2"/240 like Hawk doesn't mean you make a good ILB in a 34. Some guys are better suited for certain schemes, Hawk was brutally out of place.
Hawk was brutal. At the end. He was a solid player at first and probably doesn't get the credit he deserves (at least from me) for being a good player for awhile. It was just that he was so bad (and so damn bad) at the end, it overshadows much of his accomplishments. He should not have been on the field.
Hawk is a huge reason why I ignore measurables at the combine for ILBs. Take a look at the two sets of stats below from pro day/combines. Size: 6' 1" 248 lbs 6' 3" 242 lbs 40 yd dash: 4.59 4.58 10 yd split: 1.56 1.63 20 yd shuttle: 3.96 4.12 3 cone: 6.82 6.92 Broadjump: 9' 7" 10' 3" Vert: 40 in 38.1 in Bench: 24 reps 27 reps First is Hawk, second is Luke Kuechly. Yeah, measurables on an ILB mean ****. Instincts are everything at that position.
How important are instincts? Denzel Perryman, who I thought had the best instincts in the draft, missed 3 games this year and still would have led all Packers ILBs in Tackles and Sacks. That's not to say I'm criticising TT for not getting Perryman, but he just can't seem to find a guy who knows how to play ILB. Get a LB who knows how to play LB.
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