Cosell seems to be saying that AR is holding onto the ball too long. Seems I've heard that complaint before.
Seems I have seen that before.
quote:Originally posted by ChilliJon:
Uh oh.
"I don't think Aaron Rodgers is playing particularly great football"
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What is the definition of "great" football and "is" playing. Over the last 3 games his QB rating was 131, 125, 116. The previous 3 games were 80, 98, 82.
Interceptions 0,0,0,0,1,1
TDs 4,3,3,0,1,1
BTW, he has been missing WRs during that time and the Packers have committed to the running game which has put him in more long distance situations that usual.
I think you can say he is playing great football the last 3 weeks. The thing is he does leave some plays on the field, but I think he is more conscious of not turning the ball over.
If Cosell would've said "Aaron Rodgers isn't playing as well as he is able to." I might agree. But to say he's not playing "great" is absurd.
Mind you, I think it's great that ARod is careful about not forcing the ball into tight quarters or trying to throw players open so that he avoids interceptions. But if the deep pass is not there and keeping in mind his second rate O-line, I wish he'd throw the check down more often. To avoid hits if nothing else. With a back like Harris, he could really make the 9ers pay for their aggressive pass rush.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnor...acy-of-aaron-rodgers
quote:"I really believe that you earn your paycheck during the season," Rodgers told Costas. "[You] play at a high level and get your team to the playoffs. And then the postseason is all about creating your legacy. The great quarterbacks are remembered for their playoff successes and triumphs and Super Bowl championships and Super Bowl MVPs. We've got one here, and we want to add to that."
quote:So what could separate Rodgers? Simply put, he is the least error-prone quarterback in league history.
84 TD's and 14 INT's over the last two years are video game stats. Of the 14 INT's you could probably make a case 4-5 of them were bad decisions by Aaron.
"He's leaving an awful lot of plays on the field". That's a head scratcher. If he made all the plays he supposedly missing the NFL would be forced to bring back the old DB rules.
"He's leaving an awful lot of plays on the field". That's a head scratcher. If he made all the plays he supposedly missing the NFL would be forced to bring back the old DB rules.
I can see that.
quote:Originally posted by bubbleboy789:
If Cosell would've said "Aaron Rodgers isn't playing as well as he is able to." I might agree. But to say he's not playing "great" is absurd.
Exactly. That's just Crazytown. The man just finished the 14th best season in the history of the NFL. If that's not exceptional, I need a new dictionary. Of course he's not playing as well as he did last season - no quarterback in the history of the league ever has played that well.
quote:Originally posted by bubbleboy789:
If Cosell would've said "Aaron Rodgers isn't playing as well as he is able to." I might agree. But to say he's not playing "great" is absurd.
The way I read all of the quotes together, I think that is exactly he is saying. He sounds like a big fan of AR12, and he must be to be nitpicking this same point we've been nitpicking in this very forum this year: ever now and again, AR12 takes a sack when it looks like he could have escaped or gotten rid of it.
It is a small point, since overall he has been great and usually follows it up with a spectacular play, but every now and then, when the read he wants isn't there, it looks like he forgets the option of just sprinting out of the pocket and then either sliding or throwing it out of bounds.
quote:Originally posted by Pakrz:
Is GB practicing today?
quote:
From Packersnews.com
Receiver Jordy Nelson, who limped off the field late in Saturday's playoff game against Minnesota, did not practice today
Others who didn't attend practice today were safety Jerron McMillian and defensive end Jerel Worthy.
Tight end Jermichael Finley returned to practice. So did receiver Jarrett Boykin
That's good news on Boykin. The way he turned his ankle/knee in the week 17 game I figured he was done.
quote:Originally posted by Pistol GB:
The way I read all of the quotes together, I think that is exactly he is saying. He sounds like a big fan of AR12, and he must be to be nitpicking this same point we've been nitpicking in this very forum this year: ever now and again, AR12 takes a sack when it looks like he could have escaped or gotten rid of it.
It is a small point, since overall he has been great and usually follows it up with a spectacular play, but every now and then, when the read he wants isn't there, it looks like he forgets the option of just sprinting out of the pocket and then either sliding or throwing it out of bounds.
I dunno. "Iâm not saying this to be bold or controversial, but I donât think Aaron Rodgers is playing particularly great football" sounds like he's saying Rodgers just isn't playing particularly great. Take that sentence out, and yeah, I could buy it (and he'd be absolutely right), but that's a pretty declarative sentence.
quote:Originally posted by ChilliJon:
Uh oh.
"I don't think Aaron Rodgers is playing particularly great football"
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Sorry, but I agree with Cosell. Rodgers is always on the hunt for the big play. Drives me crazy at times. He will pass on the easy throw for the big one. Why? Because he can. They guy makes throws other QBs just dream of.
Of course, Cosell is wrong that ARod is not having a great season. He is, but I think he could be so much better. Then again, what the hell do I know?
Hopefully you get that gig in CHI then.
The way I read it, Rodgers is having a great season and it could be even greater.
It's the same thing Rodgers has been saying.
It's the same thing Rodgers has been saying.
Yeah, I should just disregard that sentence. Because if you take that out of there, everything else does fit what you're saying. I suppose you could easily take that first sentence to be one of those half-considered things that people sometimes blurt out at the start of an answer before they start to consider their thoughts. Once he warmed into his answer, though, yeah... sounded more like what a lot of us have been saying for much of the season.
how many amazing plays have we seen this year because AR held the ball a little longer, dodged a defender, and made the throw that really hurt the defense?
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quote:Sorry, but I agree with Cosell. Rodgers is always on the hunt for the big play. Drives me crazy at times. He will pass on the easy throw for the big one. Why? Because he can. They guy makes throws other QBs just dream of.
Best example of that was the throw to Nelson at the three yard line just before the end of the first half. Finley was flying free about 15 yards down the field, and would've had a great gain, but Rodgers never looked his way. Zipped an impossible throw to Nelson and we had first and goal.
This tendency may be AR's version of the Favre flaw we learned to live with, the ol' gunslinger tossing dangerous passes that sometimes won games but often lost them with INTs. The sacks are less damaging than the turnovers.
But who is counting??
@jasonjwilde
McCarthy was asked what #Packers D is stressing vs. @Kaepernick7. Laughing: "Why the hell would I talk about that in a (conference call)?"
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McCarthy was asked what #Packers D is stressing vs. @Kaepernick7. Laughing: "Why the hell would I talk about that in a (conference call)?"
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If you'd like to listen to #Packers QB Aaron Rodgers' conference call with the Bay Area media, here's the link: http://media.49ers.com/audio_d...ay.cfm?audio_id=5848
If you'd like to listen to #Packers QB Aaron Rodgers' conference call with the Bay Area media, here's the link: http://media.49ers.com/audio_d...ay.cfm?audio_id=5848
To be honest, by his standards, this isn't Rodgers finest season and I'd bet he'd tell you that himself. I don't think anyone would agree with Cosell's assessment more than him. Guy seems like a perfectionist to me. That perfectionism leads to him holding the ball as long as he does and he has a style like no other QB I can remember. It's not that he's not great, it's that he's not as great as the insanely high standards he's set.
I wouldn't trade him for any other QB in the league. His style and his approach is unique, most often brilliant, sometimes frustrating, but always his own. By his own words and ideas this time of year is his opportunity to create a legacy and I think it's his right to build it as he sees fit. The results will be his to live with just like Favre's, Montana's, Brady's, or Manning's. No easy task to be sure and winning a Superbowl is one of sport's toughest tasks with no easy answers. It's what makes the ride so fun or so crushing.
I wouldn't trade him for any other QB in the league. His style and his approach is unique, most often brilliant, sometimes frustrating, but always his own. By his own words and ideas this time of year is his opportunity to create a legacy and I think it's his right to build it as he sees fit. The results will be his to live with just like Favre's, Montana's, Brady's, or Manning's. No easy task to be sure and winning a Superbowl is one of sport's toughest tasks with no easy answers. It's what makes the ride so fun or so crushing.
Agreed, tit. I don't think Rodgers is having his finest year either. And then just when I think he's had an ordinary or not-so-hot game, I'll look at his stats and be surprised that he threw for almost 300 yards and a couple of TDs and have a rating of around 100. It's that little bit of maddening "dang it! Why is he taking yet another sack? Let go of the ball!" that makes a fan think he's having a bad game. He has the mentality that he never wants to put the team in a bad spot because of a mistake he made. That makes him take more sacks and try to extend plays to get the perfect throw, and then darn if he doesn't make it happen. Whereas with Bert, he winged it without caring if he put his team in a bad spot due to his own stupidity/hubris.
It can be frustrating to watch Rodgers at times because he is so gifted we think, "Just wing it in there! You can make that throw!" I'd like to see him have just a dash more bravado, but who wants to mess with his style/mindset now? Not me!
It can be frustrating to watch Rodgers at times because he is so gifted we think, "Just wing it in there! You can make that throw!" I'd like to see him have just a dash more bravado, but who wants to mess with his style/mindset now? Not me!
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
Hopefully you get that gig in CHI then.
Of course. Cutler is so much better.
quote:Originally posted by YATittle:
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Best example of that was the throw to Nelson at the three yard line just before the end of the first half. Finley was flying free about 15 yards down the field, and would've had a great gain, but Rodgers never looked his way. Zipped an impossible throw to Nelson and we had first and goal.
Actually, he looked right at Finley who was open and passed him up for the bigger play. It was a great play.
quote:Originally posted by Fandame:
Agreed, tit. I don't think Rodgers is having his finest year either. And then just when I think he's had an ordinary or not-so-hot game, I'll look at his stats and be surprised that he threw for almost 300 yards and a couple of TDs and have a rating of around 100. It's that little bit of maddening "dang it! Why is he taking yet another sack? Let go of the ball!" that makes a fan think he's having a bad game. He has the mentality that he never wants to put the team in a bad spot because of a mistake he made. That makes him take more sacks and try to extend plays to get the perfect throw, and then darn if he doesn't make it happen. Whereas with Bert, he winged it without caring if he put his team in a bad spot due to his own stupidity/hubris.
It can be frustrating to watch Rodgers at times because he is so gifted we think, "Just wing it in there! You can make that throw!" I'd like to see him have just a dash more bravado, but who wants to mess with his style/mindset now? Not me!
....Bert became obsessed with the consecutive game streak & would throw the ball, IMHO, not to only try in make a great play, but to not take as many hits.
The whole premise is ridiculous
I mean, how many teams or other QBs would love have to have Rodgers' indecisiveness?
#12 has set the bar so damn high that unless he's perfect some people will always find something to criticize the guy
All I know is this-
1) he has great physical talent and mobility
2) he can make any throw
3) he doesn't make mistakes
4) he's coachable
5) he's a gamer and plays with poise
6) he doesn't miss games and has played hurt
7) he's not controversial nor does he draw negative attention to the team
8) he seems like a good guy off the field
I really don't know what more people expect out of the guy. So my opinion would be STFU and worry about other flawed QBs because Rodgers aint one of them.
Personally, I love the fact this moron wrote the article he did because it will likely get back to Rodgers and fire him up. Thanks for the extra motivation dude!
I mean, how many teams or other QBs would love have to have Rodgers' indecisiveness?
#12 has set the bar so damn high that unless he's perfect some people will always find something to criticize the guy
All I know is this-
1) he has great physical talent and mobility
2) he can make any throw
3) he doesn't make mistakes
4) he's coachable
5) he's a gamer and plays with poise
6) he doesn't miss games and has played hurt
7) he's not controversial nor does he draw negative attention to the team
8) he seems like a good guy off the field
I really don't know what more people expect out of the guy. So my opinion would be STFU and worry about other flawed QBs because Rodgers aint one of them.
Personally, I love the fact this moron wrote the article he did because it will likely get back to Rodgers and fire him up. Thanks for the extra motivation dude!
Just get Rodgers out of the pocket on some throws! I think his passer rating while on the move is still insanely high.
Defenses have been gameplanning to keep him hemmed in between the hashes.
Early predictions:
Herehttp://www.cbssports.com/nfl/features/writers/expert/picks/straight-up/18
PredictionMachine.com runs a game 50,000 times before it's played using a variety of statistics. 2012 regular season record: 151-88-1 (straight up).
and the Prediction Machine picks San Fran. D*mn. I'm terribly nervous about this game....am hoping the Packers start out strong and make a statement. I'm going
GB 24 SF 21
GO PACK GO
Herehttp://www.cbssports.com/nfl/features/writers/expert/picks/straight-up/18
PredictionMachine.com runs a game 50,000 times before it's played using a variety of statistics. 2012 regular season record: 151-88-1 (straight up).
and the Prediction Machine picks San Fran. D*mn. I'm terribly nervous about this game....am hoping the Packers start out strong and make a statement. I'm going
GB 24 SF 21
GO PACK GO
So, how accurate has this machine been in the past. I don't care how many times it runs simulations if it was getting plugged with simulations.
EDIT: The Prediction Machine isn't any more accurate than the "Experts".
EDIT: The Prediction Machine isn't any more accurate than the "Experts".
SF - 72,062
GB - negative 17
GB - negative 17
quote:Will Erin Andrews be wearing clothes?
I haven't seen anything regarding clothing yet.
Any chance they will have Faith singing she was waiting all day for Saturday Night?
@AdamSchein
McCarthy: Jordy Nelson won't practice today. Goal is to get him on the practice field tomorrow.
McCarthy: Jordy Nelson won't practice today. Goal is to get him on the practice field tomorrow.
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
@AdamSchein
McCarthy: Jordy Nelson won't practice today. Goal is to get him on the practice field tomorrow.
Yikes, that's a bit concerning?
No.
Jordy didn't practice last Tuesday either and didn't do much on Wednesday and played. He's pledged to go this week and barring something unforeseen he'll be good to go this week.
Jordy didn't practice last Tuesday either and didn't do much on Wednesday and played. He's pledged to go this week and barring something unforeseen he'll be good to go this week.
quote:Originally posted by RatPack:quote:Will Erin Andrews be wearing clothes?
I haven't seen anything regarding clothing yet.
Any chance they will have Faith singing she was waiting all day for Saturday Night?
Doubt it. Faith sings for NBC, not FOX. Maybe Marge Simpson will sing.
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Fangio on Smith:
On Sunday, Washington head coach Mike Shanahan kept rookie Robert Griffin III in the game against Seattle even as the increasingly ineffective quarterback hobbled on a damaged right knee.
Niners defensive coordinator Vic Fangio said he won't allow All-Pro defensive lineman Justin Smith to keep playing against Green Bay if he's clearly at far less than full strength. Smith will play 27 days after he sustained a partially torn left triceps in a win at New England.
"If, from my point of view, he's not playing up to his standard or close to it, we'll put the next guy in," Fangio said. "It's been my experience that someone at 80 percent is not as good as the next guy at 100 percent."
Fangio wouldn't hazard a guess about Smith's potential effectiveness.
"He's doing fine," Fangio said. "I mean, I don't think we'll know for sure until (Saturday) comes. ... He's told me that he's ready. And that's good enough for me."