Has anyone ever tried bringing in the offensive coordinators of our opponents to work with us on our defense.
So, like, you want to ask the OC of an opponent that most likely scored at will on Dom Capers defense, to help Dom Capers improve his defense? And you think this opposing OC would be honest, upfront, and helpful and actually try to help one of his opponents?
Next thing you know, the President of the United States will suggest forming an Impenetrable Cyber Security Unit® to try preventing election tampering with the same people that just tampered with one of our elections...
El-Keston-Hiura posted:Dom really is the victim here
I often feel like I'm the victim. You had so much potential, Dom Capers has derailed your career as a poster.
Next thing you know, the President of the United States will suggest forming an Impenetrable Cyber Security Unit® to try preventing election tampering with the same people that just tampered with one of our elections...
I hope you're not a Birther and a Truther too....
Grave Digger posted:I often feel like I'm the victim.
RatPack posted:Has anyone ever tried bringing in the offensive coordinators of our opponents to work with us on our defense.
It sure looked like Atlanta's OC helped design our defense before the NFC Championship game. That would explain a defense that was designed to cover one of the best receivers in the NFL who runs a 4.39 (Jones) with a guy (Gunther) who runs a 4.66 one on one with very little help.
CAPackFan95 posted:So, like, you want to ask the OC of an opponent that most likely scored at will on Dom Capers defense, to help Dom Capers improve his defense? And you think this opposing OC would be honest, upfront, and helpful and actually try to help one of his opponents?
Next thing you know, the President of the United States will suggest forming an Impenetrable Cyber Security Unit® to try preventing election tampering with the same people that just tampered with one of our elections...
I think the rat pack meant hiring one of those OCs to be part of the Packers coaching staff.
just a guess.....
GrainBelt66 posted:CAPackFan95 posted:So, like, you want to ask the OC of an opponent that most likely scored at will on Dom Capers defense, to help Dom Capers improve his defense? And you think this opposing OC would be honest, upfront, and helpful and actually try to help one of his opponents?
Next thing you know, the President of the United States will suggest forming an Impenetrable Cyber Security Unit® to try preventing election tampering with the same people that just tampered with one of our elections...
I think the rat pack meant hiring one of those OCs to be part of the Packers coaching staff.
just a guess.....
No. But nice guess.....
Every RatPack post is a deeper parable about something else
obviously
Is there anyone here that can show me the light??
Goalline moonlights as a Used Fleshlight Salesman, maybe you could PM him.
I think the sophomore DB's will rebound OK and the Pack will get help from the drafted DB's.
On defense, my concern is linebacker, especially supposing Claymaker is pretty well past his prime.
Elisha Twerski@etWphonehome:
PPG allowed by D in playoff losses:
Patriots with Brady: 26.4
49ers with Montana: 28.2
Dolphins with Marino: 34.5
Packers with Rodgers: 36.3
Dom Capers promoting new concepts for defensive improvements when camp opens in two weeks...Illustrated:
Packdog posted:Dom's gonna seem smarter this season.
Is it possible for him to seem dumber?
ChilliJon posted:Elisha Twerski@etWphonehome:
PPG allowed by D in playoff losses:
Patriots with Brady: 26.4
49ers with Montana: 28.2
Dolphins with Marino: 34.5
Packers with Rodgers: 36.3Dom Capers promoting new concepts for defensive improvements when camp opens in two weeks...Illustrated:
Packers with Favre + Holmgren defensive points given up in playoffs: 21.1
Packers with Favre + Sherman and McCarthy: 26.0
To make it even worse, Favre put a lot more pressure on the defense because of his numerous mistakes.
Favre playoff interceptions with Holmgren: 12 in 14 games
Favre playoff interceptions with Sherman/McCarthy: 16 in 8 games
Rodgers playoff interceptions: 10 in 17 games
If the Packers defense plays even as well as it did with Favre, how many rings does Rodgers have?
Goalline posted:So glad to receive referrals from my best client.
Pimpin' ain't easy, gotta support the source.
Bunch of nancys, always complaining about Dom Capers. Top 10 defense this season.
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I think you have to look at Rodgers numbers in playoff losses. He's lost seven playoff games. In those games Aaron Rodgers:
Threw 15 TD's
Threw 7 INT's
Completed 61% of his passes
Average QB rating is 89.9%
Considering Aaron was trying to do everything he could to make up for a defense giving up an average of 36 plus per game those numbers are pretty remarkable in losing efforts.
Dom Capers Sucks!
Grave Digger posted:Bunch of nancys, always complaining about Dom Capers. Top 10 defense this season.
Based on your litany of excuses, if we have a top 10 defense this year, it will have nothing to do with Dom.
Of course not. I would expect nothing less from your factory of dissatisfaction.
ChilliJon posted:I think you have to look at Rodgers numbers in playoff losses. He's lost seven playoff games. In those games Aaron Rodgers:
Threw 15 TD's
Threw 7 INT's
Completed 61% of his passes
Average QB rating is 89.9%
Considering Aaron was trying to do everything he could to make up for a defense giving up an average of 36 plus per game those numbers are pretty remarkable in losing efforts.
Dom Capers Sucks!
Here's Rodger's 7 playoff losses. You could argue he's not done enough to take over and win some of these games, but it's tough to argue in any one of them that he made a negative play that was significantly responsible for the loss except for the first Arizona game and that comes with a HUGE asterisk.
1. 2009 Arizona 51-45 in overtime. 28-42 for 423 yards, 4 TDs and 1 Int. Rodgers fumbled on the final play which was returned for a TD but was having his face mask ripped off at that point. Oh, and Dom's defense gave up 45 in regulation.
2. 2011 Giants 37-20. 26-46 for 264 yards 2 TDs and 1 int (on a meaningless final pass). Rodgers did not play well, but he didn't cost them the game. What probably cost them the game was Philbin's son dying that week - it's hard to get fired up to play when something like that happens. Oh, and Dom's defense gave up 37.
3. 2012 49ers 45-31. Dom - you think you could adjust to a QB option at some point before you let Kaepernik run for 181 yards on 16 carries with 2 TDs? Even in retrospect one of the worst coached defensive games I've ever seen. Frank Gore had 23 carries for 119 on top of Kaepernik
4. 2013 49ers 23-20. Rodgers 17-26 for 177, 1 TD 0 INT. Tied 20-20 with 5 minutes left. 49ers go 13 plays and run out the clock to kick a short FG at the gun. Niners convert 3rd and 10 and 3rd and 8.
5. 2014 Seahawks. Probably the worst loss in team history. Rodgers plays poorly playing on one leg, but the game should have been over. Special teams was most responsible for this loss, but I've resolved never to watch this game again.
6. 2015 Cardinals. Rodgers completes 2 Hail Mary passes to his best remaining receiver, Jeff Janis (playing without Nelson, Cobb, D. Adams, Montgomery). Cards take about 30 seconds to win game in OT when guys blow a coverage.
7. 2016 Falcons. Let's match Julio Jones up on Gunther and see what happens.
Of the 7 losses, you could say that Dom's defense was historically awful in 2016, 2012, and 2009. Like all-time level bad.
The defense was below average/adequate in 2015 and 2013 until crunch time. They then failed miserably. Because of the situation, 2011 is an anomaly. 2014 is the one time you could say Dom's defense was good enough to win and the rest of the team let them down (mainly special teams and McCarthy's coaching decisions).
I'll bet none of them are of other NFL offenses.
MichiganPacker,
I really liked your post to point out the reality of playoff losses. I keep hearing about AR's playoff record but I constantly point out that it isn't his fault even though the QB gets the blame automatically. But time and time again it is defense that chokes with looking passive and lost.
The 2012, 2013, and 2014 are the cases in point to me. They score 31 on the Niners in one game and lose? That one still haunts me with how passive and lost the defense looked. The 2014 game in Seattle I don't entirely blame in the D but they did give up the bomb to lose the game.
I really think I could make a case that the Packers could have made 3-4 Super Bowls in a row if the D had just stepped up (and no I haven't been drinking this afternoon).
I thought Ratpack meant Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, and Sammy Davis Jr. as coaches.
You mentioned Sammy Davis Jr. last.
You are racist.
....and hate Jews.
Yeah, picking on Fedya, while enjoyable, is getting a little boring.
Does anybody here hate Dom Capers?
Didn't even mention Joey Bishop who led the group. Jewish. Probably came up in an old movie. Whatever.
If Aaron Rodgers is ever pulled over for doing 28 in a 25 zone and Dom is his defense attorney my hope is that Aaron would be eligible for parole before his career is over.
You complete me.
ChilliJon posted:If Aaron Rodgers is ever pulled over for doing 28 in a 25 zone and Dom is his defense attorney my hope is that Aaron would be eligible for parole before his career is over.
I would hope AR would call an audible, do some fancy foot work, make some improbable passes and avoid the prison sentence.
The Heckler posted:MichiganPacker,
I really liked your post to point out the reality of playoff losses. I keep hearing about AR's playoff record but I constantly point out that it isn't his fault even though the QB gets the blame automatically. But time and time again it is defense that chokes with looking passive and lost.
The 2012, 2013, and 2014 are the cases in point to me. They score 31 on the Niners in one game and lose? That one still haunts me with how passive and lost the defense looked. The 2014 game in Seattle I don't entirely blame in the D but they did give up the bomb to lose the game.
I really think I could make a case that the Packers could have made 3-4 Super Bowls in a row if the D had just stepped up (and no I haven't been drinking this afternoon).
Here's what happened on Rodgers last series in the games where the Packers lost on the last play in the playoffs.
2009-The no-call on the facemask. The Packers were down at one point 17-0 and down by 14 at the beginning of the 4th quarter before the offense put up 21 in the 4th quarter to get the game to OT.
2013-Drives 61 yards for a short Crosby FG at 5:09 and never gets the ball back again. You could fault him for not getting the ball in the end zone, but he did lead a game tying drive.
2014-What a lot of people forget about the Seattle debacle is what Rodgers did in regulation after all that crap happened - Hawk and fake FG, Brandon Bostick, Ha-Ha mistiming his jump on the 2 point conversion, Burnett giving himself up on the interception return, McCarthy running 3 plays into the middle of the line after the interception. After falling behind 22-19, Rodgers led a 6 play, 48 yard FG drive for Crosby to hit a game tying 48 yard FG with 19 seconds left (If things turn out differently, probably one of the biggest clutch kicks in playoff history). Rodgers never got the ball back.
2015- Rodgers leads a game tying drive in which he throws for 101 yards on two passes. He converts a 4th and 20 with a 60 yard completion to Janis (with no YAC) and then a hail mary 41 yard across his body falling away perfect pass. As amazing as the throw was in the Cowboys game last year, these two throws on this series are plays that maybe no other QB in history makes. After all that, Rodgers never gets the ball back. We could have another 150 page thread on whether they should have gone for 2.
In 3 of the 7 losses, Rodgers led a game tying drive in the 4th quarter and then never got the ball back. In another loss, the officials missed a blatant face mask that contributed to the game ending fumble (in a game . The other games were the Atlanta game, the Kaepernik fiasco, and the 2011 game.
Maybe we should drop the fake defense and start to tweet our defenses to the opposing offensive coordinators? That way when we really need to make a stop we could adopt a foreign defense that they would not be ready for causing a crushing upset.
Blair Kiel posted:You mentioned Sammy Davis Jr. last.
You are racist.
....and hate Jews.
I didn't mention Peter Lawford or Joey Bishop at all. What does that make me?
RatPack posted:Maybe we should drop the fake defense and start to tweet our defenses to the opposing offensive coordinators? That way when we really need to make a stop we could adopt a foreign defense that they would not be ready for causing a crushing upset.
Sounds like a job for Don Jr and he may be available soon. MGBGA!