Has any defensive player drafted by GB after 2009 improved year over year after the year they were drafted? Sam Shields is the only guy I could come up with. Even Daniels has regressed.
Has the defensive coaching staff been that ****ing bad???
ChilliJon posted:Has any defensive player drafted by GB after 2009 improved year over year after the year they were drafted? Sam Shields is the only guy I could come up with. Even Daniels has regressed.
Has the defensive coaching staff been that ****ing bad???
Yes, I am convinced Joe Whitt has Polaroids of someone in upper Management with a goat
Whitt isn't the problem.
Henry posted:If they weren't going to pay for Burnett they probably weren't going to pay for any backfield help. Considering all the picks for the backfield recently maybe they are salvaging all those picks. It just bothers me when you have that many UDFA lined up as starters or big contributors. One or two, absolutely but 4 is a bit much. King should hold down one side, the rest is potpourri.
King, Dix, Jones, Rollins.... All top of the draft talent. Add another Rd1 or Rd2 corner to the rotation your starting 5 is all blue chip.
Bryce will see the field, I think he was a UDFS, but he's been impressive.
phaedrus posted:When factoring the DB's let go who played well elsewhere and the DB's drafted who did not pan out, the Packers have spent way too much on the position for their returns.
Just the kind of thing that results in crap talent.
Disagree.
Burnett will probably play pretty well in Pittsburgh now that the "Wizard" isn't in charge of him.
Clark and Martinez have so far improved every year.
Some of it is cropped off in the post but it looks like Burnett thanks everyone but the coaches.
Players all across the league (Heyward, Woodson, etc.) Talk about how the wizard called plays that everyone knew wouldn't work & also mis-cast players in improper spots for their talents. Slot instead of outside, etc.
What coaches should he be thanking?? Pettine for letting him get out of here?!?!? Hahah
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BrainDed posted:Henry posted:If they weren't going to pay for Burnett they probably weren't going to pay for any backfield help. Considering all the picks for the backfield recently maybe they are salvaging all those picks. It just bothers me when you have that many UDFA lined up as starters or big contributors. One or two, absolutely but 4 is a bit much. King should hold down one side, the rest is potpourri.
King, Dix, Jones, Rollins.... All top of the draft talent. Add another Rd1 or Rd2 corner to the rotation your starting 5 is all blue chip.
Bryce will see the field, I think he was a UDFS, but he's been impressive.
I'm talking specifically corner and Jones is unproven. Rollins, that ship is getting pretty close to sailing and we've already seen those UDFA getting more playing time because of it. They aren't horrible but waiting for a guy to catch fire or being average at best isn't helping the defense as a whole go anywhere. The reclamation starts with guys like Rollins and getting coaching to make Jones effective.
And I don't think it's wrong not to go for CB help in FA because those contracts are just stupid. Getting Wilkerson, if he pans out, wasn't a bad move to cover the backfield restoration project. As DH13 said previously, this year's expectations are tempered and that isn't at all unreasonable. Pettine has a lot to sort out.
ChilliJon posted:Whitt isn't the problem.
He's black so that's the real problem here.
ChilliJon posted:Has the defensive coaching staff been that ****ing bad???
Yes. At least GOC (white) retained Super Secret Assistant to the Assistant HC Moss (black).
I really liked what Rollins did as a rookie and he appeared to have green pastures ahead of him until the crutch monster go him. Whatever speed he had was pretty much as little as he could get away with at corner so that Achilles injury does not bode well for him. I do not have high hopes. JJones however still has that new car smell that Pettine can hopefully turn into something more resembling a Hellcat than a Hyundai.
If they are going to roll with low round/UDFAs DB could they get rid of frickin' Goodson so another DB gets a chance?
I thought no D willcoalesce as the year goes on and surprise us with a strong finish
Jordy Nelson's two-year deal with the Raiders totals $14.2 million. Biggest surprise is that $13M is guaranteed. This year has a $3.4M base salary, $3M roster bonus, $500k in per-game roster bonuses, $100k workout bonus. Next year has $3M base, $3.6... https://t.co/pgJRWcwklp
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Oakland WTF ???
Raiders' signings so far under Jon Gruden create more questions than solutions
Whole lot in the piece about the addition of Jordy. Bottom line: they're not impressed and consider it a downgrade from Crabtree.
Some former players are asking that we sign Reed.
https://packerswire.usatoday.c...to-sign-s-eric-reid/
His protest thing nonwithstanding.
Gruden also appears to be stuck in the 90's. He dumped the idea of analytics (which nearly every team pulls key data from now) and he's planning to feature the fullback in his offense?
Maybe he'll swing by Blockbuster Video to plan his Friday evenings too.
We'll have to ask Fedya if he's seen him there.
michiganjoe posted:Whole lot in the piece about the addition of Jordy. Bottom line: they're not impressed and consider it a downgrade from Crabtree.
Depends if they get 2016 Jordy or 2017 Jordy.
DH13 posted:michiganjoe posted:Whole lot in the piece about the addition of Jordy. Bottom line: they're not impressed and consider it a downgrade from Crabtree.
Depends if they get 2016 Jordy or 2017 Jordy.
Hundley wasn't even a decent college QB, but let's put it all the blame on Jordy. The great Randall Cobb had a fantastic 17', 9.9 yards/catch, but I suppose you get street cred for putting the onus Jordy.
PackerPatrick posted:Some former players are asking that we sign Reed.
https://packerswire.usatoday.c...to-sign-s-eric-reid/
His protest thing nonwithstanding.
No Thank you......a big turd
Brainwashed Boris posted:
Players all across the league (Heyward, Woodson, etc.) Talk about how the wizard called plays that everyone knew wouldn't work & also mis-cast players in improper spots for their talents. Slot instead of outside, etc.
What coaches should he be thanking?? Pettine for letting him get out of here?!?!? Hahah
Once they get away from the tutelage of one Joe Whitt, they're pro-bowl material
Still an above average player though. If they didn't already have Jones I would say Reid would be a good signing. Maybe if they decide to move Jones full time to ILB then it would be worth it, otherwise they're basically the same player.
Jody posted:Hundley wasn't even a decent college QB, but let's put it all the blame on Jordy. The great Randall Cobb had a fantastic 17', 9.9 yards/catch, but I suppose you get street cred for putting the onus Jordy.
Exactly, why would you blame players for not playing well. Not getting separation, not breaking tackles, and overall average play aren't things you blame players for when they're named Jordy Nelson.
Jody posted:PackerPatrick posted:Some former players are asking that we sign Reed.
https://packerswire.usatoday.c...to-sign-s-eric-reid/
His protest thing nonwithstanding.
No Thank you......a big turd
Aw, come on. It would go ok with a contract for $5.00/game and a $4 mill bonus after the season only if he stands for the national anthem before EVERY game.
DH13 posted:Depends if they get 2016 Jordy or 2017 Jordy.
Betting $13 million that it's the former doesn't strike me as a prudent move.
Jody posted:DH13 posted:michiganjoe posted:Whole lot in the piece about the addition of Jordy. Bottom line: they're not impressed and consider it a downgrade from Crabtree.
Depends if they get 2016 Jordy or 2017 Jordy.
Hundley wasn't even a decent college QB, but let's put it all the blame on Jordy. The great Randall Cobb had a fantastic 17', 9.9 yards/catch, but I suppose you get street cred for putting the onus Jordy.
Much for drama? I've defended 2017 Jordy (v. Hundley) countless times. I was pointing to his performance, not the reasons behind it.
If the Pack doesn't persue a guy like Reid, I hope it if because they think he isn't a good fit as a football player. That he kneels for the national anthem to send a political message doesn't bother me in the least.
amen
nor me. I will stand for it (my hand over my heart) but others can do whatever they like. But I think that this issue may have moved on anyway and its no good to hold resentments for it. The issue is more about him on the field and can he provide leadership and savvy on the field and in the locker room?
DH13 posted:Jody posted:DH13 posted:michiganjoe posted:Whole lot in the piece about the addition of Jordy. Bottom line: they're not impressed and consider it a downgrade from Crabtree.
Depends if they get 2016 Jordy or 2017 Jordy.
Hundley wasn't even a decent college QB, but let's put it all the blame on Jordy. The great Randall Cobb had a fantastic 17', 9.9 yards/catch, but I suppose you get street cred for putting the onus Jordy.
Much for drama? I've defended 2017 Jordy (v. Hundley) countless times. I was pointing to his performance, not the reasons behind it.
It's because he's white. We need some HeeHaw stat!
El-Ka-Bong posted:If the Pack doesn't persue a guy like Reid, I hope it if because they think he isn't a good fit as a football player. That he kneels for the national anthem to send a political message doesn't bother me in the least.
Can he kneel and play CB? Kneeling safeties aren't a priority. Although kneeling safety/LB hybrids sure wouldn't be bad
yeah, he can kneel on either knee
Eric Reid is better at playing safety than Morgan Burnett. Quite a bit better.
Henry posted: "It's because he's white. We need some HeeHaw stat! "
Your racist posts have started out being unfunny then tiresome then tedious and now offensive. Let it go.
You are not as funny and clever as you think you are. Again, just let it go, you are embarrassing yourself and any sane reader.
Please.
I really think you don't truly understand what Henry is posting.
Fandame posted:Maybe, but I think Capers was so much of a problem that almost the whole D needed to be blown up.
Was Capers really the problem if there wasn't a corner they could trust on the roster? If Thompson was cutting corners the coaches wanted?
For the good things he's done, Thompson has made an utter mess of the secondary twice now.
One thought I have is a draft day trade. The end of the first round should be a good spot for corners. Philadelphia could be in a position to take a corner for value and unload Ronald Darby's final rookie deal year for a pick even next year as they work their cap to get core guys extended before they have to pay Wentz.
The Chargers may also look to move Jason Verrett fairly cheap, though that's as much because of his knee as his cost. Still, that would likely be a conditional pick for next year and if his knee is healthy, he's 26 and worth th epick. If he's not, it's a much lower pick.
If the Browns move down from a move up deal by the Bills, they may also want/need to move a top second for a pick next year also, though that would still be a rookie.
El-Ka-Bong posted:If the Pack doesn't persue a guy like Reid, I hope it if because they think he isn't a good fit as a football player. That he kneels for the national anthem to send a political message doesn't bother me in the least.
My only concern with Reid is he's kind of the same guy as Clinton-Dix, Jones and Burnett. I know they generally want guys to be interchangeable but it would be nice to have someone who has more of a free safety skill set on the back end.