Trophies posted:I mean, what do you want? Dude can't win a SB before he plays his first game.
According to you he can.
Have your take. Just don't be a pusscake about it when it gets dissected. Happens to everybody here. That's part of what makes it a good board is it's full of discerning people on both sides of the divide who can drink the koolaid but then tell you when the koolaid sucked.
bdplant posted:The difference is Gute’s getting rid of Ted’s overpriced deadweight, which is what most new GMs do. Ted did the same thing when he came to Green Bay.
Hopefully Gute will have the same success that Ted had early in his tenure. And hopefully Gute will learn from Ted’s mistakes and be willing to part ways with his own draft picks if/when they don’t live up to expectations.
The nice thing about having an in house candidate is learning from TT before he slipped a gear and seeing the fallout of slipping a gear. He hopefully got the best of Uncle Teddy and learned from the worst. It's pretty clear the entire FO was wondering WTF was going on towards the end. I'm curious as to what it was that put Gerlykerns over the top of Wolf and Highsmith.
I'm a pessimist by nature. Here is my quick take on the team.
As always, the season will go as Rodgers goes. If he buys into the system, we will make the playoffs off his talent and slight improvment on D. If he doesn't, 8-8.
Trophies just slit his wrists.
NFL.com writer Adam Schein puts them at #9.
Henry posted:Trophies posted:I mean, what do you want? Dude can't win a SB before he plays his first game.
According to you he can.
Have your take. Just don't be a pusscake about it when it gets dissected. Happens to everybody here. That's part of what makes it a good board is it's full of discerning people on both sides of the divide who can drink the koolaid but then tell you when the koolaid sucked.
Give me a ****ing break.
I'd still place it at "undefined". We hear snippets from practices about Z dominating or Gary pancaking someone and we've seen the secondary depth be productive in one preseason game. But we also hear AR tearing them a new one every other day with what sounds like an offense that is still finding its feet.
I'll stick by my assessment just after the draft and FA. We'll see flashes but inconsistency through maybe halloween. Hopefully by then they've settled in and start playing at a consistently high level enough to start doing some damage. That goes for both O and D though the offense could take a little longer.
Bottom line: The D will need to keep us around or above .500 long enough for the offense to figure out what it does best.
michiganjoe posted:Top nine defenses for 2019 NFL season
NFL.com writer Adam Schein puts them at #9.
And the Offense at #6!
Finish ranked 6th and 9th at the end of the season and I'll be excited. Some gasbag's rankings on Aug. 14 means nothing.
Trophies posted:Henry posted:Trophies posted:I mean, what do you want? Dude can't win a SB before he plays his first game.
According to you he can.
Have your take. Just don't be a pusscake about it when it gets dissected. Happens to everybody here. That's part of what makes it a good board is it's full of discerning people on both sides of the divide who can drink the koolaid but then tell you when the koolaid sucked.
Give me a ****ing break.
That's the way it is cupcake.
F off man. I don't need your infantile sh!t.
Who had aug 14 in the office pool?
Trophies and Henry go out to a restaurant. After the meal :
Trophies : "That was the best meal ever eaten in the history of the universe"
Henry : "Food was ok... would have been better if the waitress had a higher IQ or bigger boobs. Lucky for her she stopped telling me I look like Mike Tice's twin or I would have ripped her head off and pooped down her neck".
"Dessert ?? "
PS - I love both of you !!!
Oh oh.
This all reminds me of the final episode of Seinfeld, where he and his friends get arrested for a violation of Duty to Rescue because they just sat around making jokes. I wish I had my camcorder.
Those two need to get a room. All this closet angst for each other is getting old.
Did you just make a gay joke?
I'll take you home like a little twink and let you cook me breakfast.
[opens can of Alpo for Henry]
Are they still in jail?
BrainDed posted:I'm a pessimist by nature. Here is my quick take on the team.
- Astonishingly weak at ILB.
- CB is weak, no depth behind Alexander and he isn't the superstar some here claim him to be.. YET. Has a chance.
- WR depth is unproven.
- Everything else, besides QB is average talent.
As always, the season will go as Rodgers goes. If he buys into the system, we will make the playoffs off his talent and slight improvment on D. If he doesn't, 8-8.
I think it's more than Rodgers just buying into the system, it's staying healthy as well. That leg injury he suffered in week 1 vs. the Bears, I don't think he was ever the same physically after that even though it wasn't enough to keep him from playing. He could show glimpses of his old self, but his accuracy was definitely not as out of this world as it had been pre-injury 2017/18.
You combine him playing hurt plus being mentally drained from being in a stale system and you got him playing probably his worst season as a Packer. I've heard some say that Rodgers looks very good in camp so far this year, so hopefully last year will just be an aberration and not the norm from this point forward. If he's really back to what he was the first 5 weeks of 2017, the Pack has a real shot at being a contender for the NFC again. If he isn't back to that level...… well, it will be very tough for the team to overcome it as they are built for him to play at a franchise QB level.
Fedya posted:[opens can of Alpo for Henry]
Touche.
heyward posted:Finish ranked 6th and 9th at the end of the season and I'll be excited.
Nice
BrainDed posted:I'm a pessimist by nature. Here is my quick take on the team.
- Astonishingly weak at ILB.
- CB is weak, no depth behind Alexander and he isn't the superstar some here claim him to be.. YET. Has a chance.
- WR depth is unproven.
- Everything else, besides QB is average talent.
As always, the season will go as Rodgers goes. If he buys into the system, we will make the playoffs off his talent and slight improvment on D. If he doesn't, 8-8.
I think this is highly inaccurate on the negative side of things.
First off, it is worthy of mention that Rodgers is HoF caliber QB while all you say is "besides Rodgers." That is quite telling on its own.
Offensive line is WAY above average. Startling tackles may be the league's best. There is decent depth. While WR is unknown in terms of a bona fide #2, Adams is elite and the depth is sufficient other teams will scour our waiver wire. As to #2, Allison demonstrated much before going down with injury last year.
I think DL is way above average. OLB probably above average.
I agree with corner and ILB and it seemed the Packers had so many holes to fill, ILB was known to be left lacking even at starter level and CB beyond starting level, even with the always uncertainty of Kevin King. Tony Brown may save our a$$es some at corner.
TE is above average, I think.
Don't forget special teams. While the kickers are a little above average, the coverage and return teams need significant improvement.
phaedrus posted:If sifting thru rah-rah BS is going to have such a negative reaction for someone, what kind of aloha is gonna choose to sift thru rah-rah BS?
The "goodbye" aloha or the "hello" aloha.
I wish we could just speak American here.
I disagree with the Oline being above average. Bahk and Bulaga are top 5 tackle combo, but you can't count on Bulaga for more than 10 games. Alex Light at swing tackle doesn't impress me. Maybe if Cole Madison was taking snaps at RT I'd be more optimistic, but he's not.
Linsley took a step back last year and Guard hasn't been improved much from a disastrous year last year.
I just don't see it.
Sometimes, I wish I could press fast forward to see how something turns out.
Then I remember, the journey is the reward.
Unless you spend 40 years wandering in the desert like the 'queens or Lions fans.
Henry posted:Fedya posted:[opens can of Alpo for Henry]
Touche.
Or a stick of butter.
antooo posted:Unless you spend 40 years wandering in the desert like the 'queens or Lions fans.
Only 40?
BrainDed posted:I disagree with the Oline being above average. Bahk and Bulaga are top 5 tackle combo, but you can't count on Bulaga for more than 10 games. Alex Light at swing tackle doesn't impress me. Maybe if Cole Madison was taking snaps at RT I'd be more optimistic, but he's not.
Linsley took a step back last year and Guard hasn't been improved much from a disastrous year last year.
I just don't see it.
Really? At one point we had Spriggs and McCray as the right side of our line last season .....Spriggs is cut & McCray looks to be many injuries away from seeing the field if he makes the 53. Turner will go to RT if Bulaga is injured and Jenkins will replace him at RG. That combo is infinitely better than Spriggs / McCray.
Hope so. Seems like they're heading in the right direction with guys like Tony Brown and a veteran leader in Tramon, but there's still serious question marks at #2-4 CB. I know the cap is not ideal for it (especially with Clark's payday coming due), but I wish they could have worked something out with a team to get another legit starting CB. The most encouraging line of the entire article:
“Gutey and I met right at the end of the season, and we were very much on the same page with what needed to be done moving forward,” Pettine said.
I like TT, but I don't think he was listening at all with defensive coaches about who or what was needed over the last 7-8 years.
Grave Digger posted:Hope so. Seems like they're heading in the right direction with guys like Tony Brown and a veteran leader in Tramon, but there's still serious question marks at #2-4 CB. I know the cap is not ideal for it (especially with Clark's payday coming due), but I wish they could have worked something out with a team to get another legit starting CB. The most encouraging line of the entire article:
“Gutey and I met right at the end of the season, and we were very much on the same page with what needed to be done moving forward,” Pettine said.
I like TT, but I don't think he was listening at all with defensive coaches about who or what was needed over the last 7-8 years.
I was very disappointed when they let Breland walk considering the lack of depth at corner and safety, Maybe they had more confidence in Tony Brown and Raven Greene than I did. Great to hear that Brown is ascending. I really hope Josh Jackson works out as well. His lack of speed and inconsistency tackling make you wonder but he's very young.
I agree with the cornerback position. If you knew King would be healthy I think they would be in pretty good shape.
Next to the OT position (including depth) it’s an area of concern.
If Brown and Jackson take year 2 steps in the right direction and King is healthy then I think we will be good enough to not lose games because of the defense. If both of them take big steps in the right direction then I think the defense will be great. Pettine leans heavily on CBs to win 1on1's, so if we don't have reliability at CB then he's not calling the defense he wants and that's not good. The biggest change will be at Safety where we will actually have legit coverage ability there which we haven't had since Collins. Quality Safety play can cover up some deficiencies at CB...the impact Jackson's man coverage ability or Brown/Jaire's tendencies to gamble can be diminished some by having legit talent on the back end.
BrainDed posted:I disagree with the Oline being above average. Bahk and Bulaga are top 5 tackle combo, but you can't count on Bulaga for more than 10 games. Alex Light at swing tackle doesn't impress me. Maybe if Cole Madison was taking snaps at RT I'd be more optimistic, but he's not.
Linsley took a step back last year and Guard hasn't been improved much from a disastrous year last year.
I just don't see it.
Jenkins is already pushing Taylor as well. That very well could be a plus. If Turner solidifies RG that's a big help. I don't know if he can swing to RT or not but yeah, I agree there's a lot of unknowns only because of all the new faces in the staff and roster.
13X posted:Grave Digger posted:Hope so. Seems like they're heading in the right direction with guys like Tony Brown and a veteran leader in Tramon, but there's still serious question marks at #2-4 CB. I know the cap is not ideal for it (especially with Clark's payday coming due), but I wish they could have worked something out with a team to get another legit starting CB. The most encouraging line of the entire article:
“Gutey and I met right at the end of the season, and we were very much on the same page with what needed to be done moving forward,” Pettine said.
I like TT, but I don't think he was listening at all with defensive coaches about who or what was needed over the last 7-8 years.
I was very disappointed when they let Breland walk considering the lack of depth at corner and safety, Maybe they had more confidence in Tony Brown and Raven Greene than I did. Great to hear that Brown is ascending. I really hope Josh Jackson works out as well. His lack of speed and inconsistency tackling make you wonder but he's very young.
I'm still scratching my head on Breeland. Maybe they just didn't trust he would stay healthy. Either way, I still don't get it.
Has anyone heard anything about Jackson?
