Round 1 Pick 26 (From Miami) QB Jordan Love Utah State

@GBFanForLife posted:

So you're saying Lafleur only sees improvement because of the draft choices they used to pick him.

Of course he's going to say that, I would too.  They knew he was a prospect who had a high ceiling when they drafted him.  They knew he was going to require more time.  Had they used a 6th round pick to get him, I don't think they'd be wasting their time.  I don't know what improvement MLF sees (and not just says) because he sees him more than we do, but the fact is, he's not starting material right now judging by his production or lack thereof.  But because they've invested a lot with him, he's going to get at least through next season to get an evaluation and we'll see what happens.

I really hope he turns into the guy they envisioned when they gave up a first and fourth for him, and have spent all this time working with him.  It would have to be a major turnaround from where he's at now, however.  I don't think they're champing at the bit to put him in a real game this season if that tells you how much he's "improved."

I really don't understand how a late 1st and a 4th are such a high price.

@GBFanForLife posted:

I really don't understand how a late 1st and a 4th are such a high price.

I would like to see who we could have had if we didn't trade up for him. Just for giggles. I know google it.   

All depends on who they had on their board.

@GBFanForLife posted:

I really don't understand how a late 1st and a 4th are such a high price.

It's not.
The Packers gave up their original pick (30th overall) and their 4th-round pick (136th) to get the 26th overall pick from Miami.
So, the way I see it, the 1st-round slots are basically a wash, and we gave up a 4th to ensure he would be the pick.
That's hardly Hadl-esque.

@GBFanForLife posted:

I really don't understand how a late 1st and a 4th are such a high price.

Just picks. Obtain players in many ways.

@GBFanForLife posted:

I really don't understand how a late 1st and a 4th are such a high price.

I agreed with it at the time, and still do.  It just hasn’t turned out like I/we hoped in terms of his development so far. Gutey sold it hard that they got a great pick for the price.  Other pundits thought differently.  Almost nobody outside GB thought it was a great pick and almost everyone thought it was a reach, especially for what they gave up for an extremely raw prospect. The Packers thought they got a steal.  Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. But If you don’t think a late first and a fourth is no big deal, in addition to the investment in him since then, you’re entitled to your opinion but I disagree -  I think they’ve given up a lot, especially since there were players available at that pick that could have helped immediately.

Anyway, he’s going to be here in 2023 unless something unusual happens. Yet another year of investment in him.  Hope it pays off.

@H5 posted:

Just picks. Obtain players in many ways.

Blow too many first round picks, or picks in general as a GM, you probably aren’t going to be around long.

@Harry Manback posted:

I agreed with it at the time, and still do.  It just hasn’t turned out like I/we hoped in terms of his development so far. Gutey sold it hard that they got a great pick for the price.  Other pundits thought differently.  Almost nobody outside GB thought it was a great pick and almost everyone thought it was a reach, especially for what they gave up for an extremely raw prospect. The Packers thought they got a steal.  Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

People thought Gary was a reach too, and in the beginning he seemed to be.  But that's turned out a bit differently with time.

You win some, you lose some.  Taking the risk on a young raw talent like Gary or Love (or hell even Kenny Clark) is something good GM's do from time to time.  Doesn't always mean they bat 1.000.  But if you aren't taking a few risks on raw talent then you just end up with a bunch of AJ Hawks on your team.

I think the Packers already know what they are going to do with Love and probably have for a while.  It's just up to us rubes to speculate.

@The Grinder posted:

I would like to see who we could have had if we didn't trade up for him. Just for giggles.   

The book on Jordan Love is not yet done, if he turns into a solid starter IN GREEN BAY it may yet turn out to have been a worthy pick.

What is known at this time is that a team coming off of a 2019 NFC Championship game and with a dire need at WR could have selected the following players but chose not to:

-Tee Higgins, who caught 67 balls for 908 yards and 6 TDs in his rookie year (playing half that year with nobody backups after Burrow suffered an ACL injury) and 74 balls for 1,091 yards in year 2 (as the Bengals' #2 WR behind Ja'marr Chase);

-Michael Pittman Jr.,"only" had 40 catches for 503 yards in his rookie year (Lazard's best year is 40 for 513) playing with the skeleton of Philip Rivers, but last season caught 88 passes for 1,082 yards last season with erratic arm Carson Wentz slinging the ball; or

-Chase Claypool, who, while playing with arm-dead Big Ben, caught 62 passes for 873 yards (and 9 TDs) as a rookie and followed that up with 59 catches for 860 yards last season.

It is indisputable that any of these 3 players would have helped the Packers compete for a Super Bowl far more than Jordan Love did in 2020 or 2021. This will most certainly be the case in 2022 as well. Indeed, any of these 3 would likely be WR#1 if they were currently on the Pack's roster.

BTW, all 3 players were linked to GB prior to the draft, with Peter King predicting that GB would take Pittman, Rob Reischel doing a long story on why Higgins made sense in Forbes (not to mention ARod's public clamoring to select him), and Mel Kiper foretelling the Pack selecting Claypool.

PS Bears #1 WR Darnell Mooney and the Vikes' #3 WR KJ Osborn (he of the 50 receptions, 655 yards, and 7 TDs in 2021) would both have been available to the Pack in round 4 of the 2020 draft with the "throwaway" pick Gute shipped to Miami in order to select his boy Jordan Love.

@SteveLuke posted:

The book on Jordan Love is not yet done, if he turns into a solid starter IN GREEN BAY it may yet turn out to have been a worthy pick.

What is known at this time is that a team coming off of a 2019 NFC Championship game and with a dire need at WR could have selected the following players but chose not to:

-Tee Higgins, who caught 67 balls for 908 yards and 6 TDs in his rookie year (playing half that year with nobody backups after Burrow suffered an ACL injury) and 74 balls for 1,091 yards in year 2 (as the Bengals' #2 WR behind Ja'marr Chase);

-Michael Pittman Jr.,"only" had 40 catches for 503 yards in his rookie year (Lazard's best year is 40 for 513) playing with the skeleton of Philip Rivers, but last season caught 88 passes for 1,082 yards last season with erratic arm Carson Wentz slinging the ball; or

-Chase Claypool, who, while playing with arm-dead Big Ben, caught 62 passes for 873 yards (and 9 TDs) as a rookie and followed that up with 59 catches for 860 yards last season.

It is indisputable that any of these 3 players would have helped the Packers compete for a Super Bowl far more than Jordan Love did in 2020 or 2021. This will most certainly be the case in 2022 as well. Indeed, any of these 3 would likely be WR#1 if they were currently on the Pack's roster.

BTW, all 3 players were linked to GB prior to the draft, with Peter King predicting that GB would take Pittman, Rob Reischel doing a long story on why Higgins made sense in Forbes (not to mention ARod's public clamoring to select him), and Mel Kiper foretelling the Pack selecting Claypool.

PS Bears #1 WR Darnell Mooney and the Vikes' #3 WR KJ Osborn (he of the 50 receptions, 655 yards, and 7 TDs in 2021) would both have been available to the Pack in round 4 of the 2020 draft with the "throwaway" pick Gute shipped to Miami in order to select his boy Jordan Love.

BUT were they on their BOARD ?     

Love wasn’t drafted so the Packers could “compete for a SB in 20 or 21”. Rashan Gary was drafted as a guy with tremendous athleticism and upside/ceiling. He also wasn’t drafted so the Packers would compete in 2019. And he was hardly effective or played his first season.

Having media members “linking” players to any team isn’t really a “link” at all. It’s just media guys doing mock drafts to a much greater audience. I had Laviska Shenault and Denzel Mims “linked” to the Packers. Shame on them for not drafting either of them.

You're pretty good at coming up with a variety a ways to state basically the same thing over and over again. Well, not really.

@vitaflo posted:

People thought Gary was a reach too, and in the beginning he seemed to be.  But that's turned out a bit differently with time.

Schrodingers draft pick - every draft pick is a reach until it's not. 

@SteveLuke posted:

The book on Jordan Love is not yet done, if he turns into a solid starter IN GREEN BAY it may yet turn out to have been a worthy pick.

What is known at this time is that a team coming off of a 2019 NFC Championship game and with a dire need at WR could have selected the following players but chose not to:

-Tee Higgins, who caught 67 balls for 908 yards and 6 TDs in his rookie year (playing half that year with nobody backups after Burrow suffered an ACL injury) and 74 balls for 1,091 yards in year 2 (as the Bengals' #2 WR behind Ja'marr Chase);

-Michael Pittman Jr.,"only" had 40 catches for 503 yards in his rookie year (Lazard's best year is 40 for 513) playing with the skeleton of Philip Rivers, but last season caught 88 passes for 1,082 yards last season with erratic arm Carson Wentz slinging the ball; or

-Chase Claypool, who, while playing with arm-dead Big Ben, caught 62 passes for 873 yards (and 9 TDs) as a rookie and followed that up with 59 catches for 860 yards last season.

The only one of those three that were ever mocked to us was Higgins.  Most mocks had either Jalen Raegor or Denzel Mims going to us for WR.  Obviously, Raegor was gone when we picked.

I seem to remember a lot of people wanting Patrick Queen when he was still on the board at our pick.  Others (like myself) wanted Winfield Jr.  Winfield would have actually been a good pick.  The rest....

Point being is it's easy to look in hindsight about who should have been picked.  Harder to remember who we wanted them to pick right before it happened. Lets also remember that 5 WRs were picked before we even got a chance to.  Which feels a bit like this year where 6 WRs were taken before us, so we went defense.  Difference this year is we went and got a guy in the 2nd.

Just think.....

If Glute traded Rodgers for a Kings Ransom in draft picks....who KNOWS what team they could've built at this point.....I'm thinking 70's Steelers. 🤷‍♂️

With any luck we can put this whole Love discussion on hold until next February.

https://nfldraftdiamonds.com/2021/05/jordan-love/

Love played in a very similar system than Wilson and Lance while operating pretty much exclusively out of the shotgun formation, but he just stands out so much more than they do by comparison. Love, who finished as the second leading passer in his school’s history, actually looks and moves around like an NFL QB on film. He looks like he is in command of the offense. I would take Love over Wilson or Lance any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

For comparison.....here's his thoughts on Trey Lance

https://nfldraftdiamonds.com/2021/03/trey-lance-20/

@Boris posted:

Just think.....

If Glute traded Rodgers for a Kings Ransom in draft picks....who KNOWS what team they could've built at this point.....I'm thinking 70's Steelers. 🤷‍♂️

Seattle got a King's Ransom of picks & players and massive cap relief out of the Wilson deal...are they now the 70's Steelers ? Ha !

They got back to back 9-8 seasons, a WC playoff loss & a fired HC to show for it

The Flying Fickle Finger of Fate always has its say 

@Satori posted:

Seattle got a King's Ransom of picks & players and massive cap relief out of the Wilson deal...are they now the 70's Steelers ? Ha !

They're not the MIGHTY Green Bay Packers 😉

9/11/2022

Does Love become the Love we saw 2nd half of '23 if he is starting in '22?

God has a plan. Vince gave it to him.

@Boris posted:

https://nfldraftdiamonds.com/2021/05/jordan-love/

Love played in a very similar system than Wilson and Lance while operating pretty much exclusively out of the shotgun formation, but he just stands out so much more than they do by comparison. Love, who finished as the second leading passer in his school’s history, actually looks and moves around like an NFL QB on film. He looks like he is in command of the offense. I would take Love over Wilson or Lance any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

For comparison.....here's his thoughts on Trey Lance

https://nfldraftdiamonds.com/2021/03/trey-lance-20/

pretty brutal take on Lance. If Purdy did not play as well as he did, Shanahan and Lynch, the safety not as good as Leroy acting as a GM would be fired. Horrible number of assets to give up for him.

@Floridarob posted:

pretty brutal take on Lance.

....and so far very accurate. We'll see if Lance gets a shot in the next year or 2. He better be working his ass off in that QB room in Dallas. Otherwise he'll be out of the league

The way our defense was playing,  and how often,  other than 2010, AR12 shrank in big moments,  I don't think we would've gone anywhere that season anyway. Now we have a bright future so I'm OK with the Love pick.

For Packers, free agent class looks rich at Safety position

From the link:

Here’s the list of top free agent Safeties, sorted by current PFF ranking:

Kamren Curl, Commanders
Xavier McKinney, Giants
Geno Stone, Ravens
Julian Blackmon, Colts
Jordan Fuller, Rams
Jordan Whitehead, Jets
C.J. Gardner-Johnson, Lions
DeShon Elliott, Dolphins
Tashaun Gipson, 49ers
Alohi Gilman, Chargers
Mike Edwards, Chiefs
Jeremy Chinn, Panthers
Micah Hyde, Bills
Jayron Kearse, Cowboys
Brandon Jones, Dolphins
Taylor Rapp, Bills
Kevin Byard, Eagles (released)
Eddie Jackson, Bears (released)
John Johnson III, Rams
Jamal Adams, Seahawks (released)
Quandre Diggs, Seahawks (released)

Sign one, draft two.

pretty, pretty good

.@NFLTotalAccess dropped the top 10 plays from @jordan3love’s incredible QB1 season. What was your favorite? 🔥 pic.twitter.com/CjvxstqcM3

— NFL Network (@nflnetwork) March 8, 2024

Damn. That was the dime machine at his best. And it's only just beginning.

@lovepack posted:

Sign one, draft two.

Wrong way....

Sign 2, Draft & Develop one in a year where Safety is one of the weakest positions in the draft.

@Boris posted:

Wrong way....

Sign 2, Draft & Develop one in a year where Safety is one of the weakest positions in the draft.

GB often has drafted 2 or 3 and hoped that 1 develops into an above average starter.  

That top 10 video of Love is exactly why I want early draft capitol on offensive lineman.  Redundancies at the line is the perfect situation for this offence

@lovepack posted:

Damn. That was the dime machine at his best. And it's only just beginning.

10 should exclusively own that name now.

This is good... hope you like it. What happened with all the players selected before Jordan Love.

https://youtu.be/V2u_SLIAN2M?si=o9Oe2hde2AcfdfHH

@Boris posted:

Wrong way....

Sign 2, Draft & Develop one in a year where Safety is one of the weakest positions in the draft.

Two on rookie conracts,  one getting big money. At least you hope one of the younger guys works out.

I'm sure Gutey is just twiddling his thumbs about the new Love contract...

🧀😳"The longer the Packers wait, the more difficult it will be for them and the better it will be for Jordan Love. That's my own opinion,” said @AdamSchefter on @JenGabeChewy pic.twitter.com/b7wVGK9iTx

— CheeseheadTV 🧀 (@cheeseheadtv) May 15, 2024

If Schefter had any real info he wouldn't break it on a regional show.

my opinion...  I don't think...

Missed opportunity by the Packers to have signed Love about 2-3 hours after this came out. 😁

@ilcuqui posted:

pretty, pretty good

.@NFLTotalAccess dropped the top 10 plays from @jordan3love’s incredible QB1 season. What was your favorite? 🔥 pic.twitter.com/CjvxstqcM3

— NFL Network (@nflnetwork) March 8, 2024

Good lookin bunch

From social media. Jordan with his girlfriend.

Maybe Jordan Love will do something Aaron Rodgers never could accomplish - get married.  But then his last name is "Love".