2022 Packers Draft Weekend Discussion Thread

@NumberThree posted:

Getting two first round draft picks in one of the best receiver drafts in recent memory while implementing a draft plan of moving up in the second round to get a receiver no one really wanted anyway but you're forced to move up out of desperation of not getting a single receiver at all is the most Packers draft thing ever.

We are literally a draft class/FA trade away from a Super Bowl, and they mailed it in with stupidity.

lol. that’s one way to look at it. here’s another:  the professional scouts employed by the team didn’t think any of the wideouts available last night were worth trading up for or taking with picks 22 or 28.

@Tavis Smiley posted:

Fecal sample would also suffice.

Adding it to your collection?

@NumberThree posted:

Getting two first round draft picks in one of the best receiver drafts in recent memory

We hear this every year. At some point you'll have to wake up and smell the bullshit.

@NumberThree posted:

Getting two first round draft picks in one of the best receiver drafts in recent memory while implementing a draft plan of moving up in the second round to get a receiver no one really wanted anyway but you're forced to move up out of desperation of not getting a single receiver at all is the most Packers draft thing ever.

We are literally a draft class/FA trade away from a Super Bowl, and they mailed it in with stupidity.

I think that's pretty harsh just simply because you're literally taking a rookie, no matter how talented, and putting the role of not only #1 but #2 on his shoulders.  Watkins and Cobb are going to be bit players because they can't stay on the field.

Do they need WR? Badly.  I just think they are better off trying to patch together an offense using the established skill players at other positions with the help of a rookie WR.  They fucked up the WR position with the Love draft.  Scrambling to fill the void at WR in one draft is a huge gamble.  Build out the defense to be able to bail out/win week in and week out at this point.  Rodgers is still Rodgers and the backfield is beastly.  It's not ideal but shape the offense around what you've got and hope the rookie WR comes up big.

Yeah, team and scheme.  We're not likely to have individual stars at the WR position this season.

Best receiver drafts in recent history?

Not even close.  Look just back to last year.

Chase had 1500 yards and 13 TDs.  Waddle had 100+ catches.  Kyle Pitts (glorified WR) had almost 70 catches and 1000+ yards.  Devonta Smith put up similar numbers to Pitts.  

There isn’t one WR in this years draft that’s as good as any of those four.  I see a lot more Rashod Bateman’s and Rondale Moore’s- solid but not spectacular guys.  

I’m thrilled with their first two picks because if one or both play close to their potential this could be a legit top 5 defense in 2022.   Yes they need to add another WR or two.  But not at the expense of reaching or overpaying.

They fucked up the Love pick.  Not sure I agree they fucked up the WR position, although, Amari Rodgers looks like a horrible pick at this point.  

Besides, don’t we have confidence in our running game and our all world QB and OC to figure things out?   Let’s see what happens.  Simply changing out the idiot special teams coach probably got them another win or two.

That was the draft that was crazy loaded with WR talent.  Nobody is going to complain about Dillon but if you wanted a big time playmaker in the 1st, that was the draft.  Shit, Tee Higgins?  Deebo Samuel?  Yeah, that would go a long way to soothing the ouch of losing Adams.

@Henry posted:

You aren't putting that explosive diarrhea back in the tube.

You can get that in a tube?  Wish I'd known about that back in my prankster days.

Also comes in barrels for the value minded shit lover.

I don't recall seeing that at Costco.

Better luck probably at Wal-Mart

@Pakrz posted:

Any chatter out there about trading Love to the Falcons for their R2 pick?  12 has made comments that he plans to play a few more years.  

Speculation I've seen is a 1st rd or they won't consider it. That said, I'd take both of ATLs 2nd rounders - 43 & 58 overall.

In a heartbeat.  If they are asking for a #1 it's pretty clear they have no intention of trading him.  No way they legitimately think they could get a #1 after what he's shown.

Or - #43, #74, & #114

ATL has 2  #2's and  2  #3's

1 2nd and 1 3rd.

@Tschmack posted:

Not sure I agree they fucked up the WR position, although, Amari Rodgers looks like a horrible pick at this point.  

It would make my day to hear he had a nagging injury or something last year.  It seemed like he lost a step by the end of the season compared to the beginning.

@H5 posted:

Speculation I've seen is a 1st rd or they won't consider it. That said, I'd take both of ATLs 2nd rounders - 43 & 58 overall.

Too bad Ditka's not their GM.

@Tschmack posted:

They fucked up the Love pick.  Not sure I agree they fucked up the WR position, although, Amari Rodgers looks like a horrible pick at this point.  

It's hard to argue otherwise at this point.  If that pick had been Tee Higgins or Michael Pittman Jr., both made a whole lot of sense at that point, the WR concern would be alleviated.  That's not even much of a reach in hindsight; they needed a WR in 2020 and it was the deepest WR class in history.  But is what it is. 

i thought this year was the deepest wr class in history.  

Every year there are players - look at 2019. Deebo, AJ Brown, Mecole Hardman, DK Metcalf, Dionte Johnson and Terry McLaurin were all taken between picks 36 and 76.  Basically 2nd and 3rd rounders.  

But GB got Elgton Jenkins at 44 that year so who’s complaining?

Strawman.  Simple fact is you actually have to draft more than one WR in the 3rd over multiple years to actually develop a WR corp.  Shotgunning in the mid rounds or hoping UDFAs pan out is not a great strategy.

Revised 2nd round mock from ESPN...says we get Metchie at 53...probably because Pickens and Watson are gone...he's still a year out from playing because of ACL.

2nd pick of 2nd round they say OT Nicholas Petit-Frere from Ohio Taint...I see that spot as a potential trade back for us...maybe get into the early 3rd and take a TE there, and then get a WR later in the 3rd also.

Rather than Metchie, I could see us going with USC's Edge Drake Jackson, or Wash St. OT Abraham Lucas who I think is going to be a star RT and tremendous backup LT for someone.

@vitaflo posted:

There's a reason Pickens stock has fallen, he's a headcase.  Many scouts have said if he wants to succeed he needs to go to a team with a veteran receiving core that won't put up with his antics.  We...do not have that.

So he needs to play with Odell Beckham Jr?

And who are these "many" scouts? Blowing smoke is more likely.

@Chongo posted:

Revised 2nd round mock from ESPN...says we get Metchie at 53...probably because Pickens and Watson are gone...he's still a year out from playing because of ACL.

Which would make zero sense. 

@Henry posted:

Strawman.  Simple fact is you actually have to draft more than one WR in the 3rd over multiple years to actually develop a WR corp.  Shotgunning in the mid rounds or hoping UDFAs pan out is not a great strategy.

There is also a very popular opinion that because GB has been so successful drafting 2nd-3rd WR's during AR's era that they could easily do it again.  All that success at WR was under TT and several scouts and execs that have moved on.  Gute has so far shown no ability to find good mid round receivers.

Exactly.  WR scouting is just not a strong suit.  Knocking it out of the park on CBs but damn they need help with WRs.

I don't think the cupboard in GB is as bare as some would lead us to believe.  Certainly more talent needs to be added there and Adams left a gaping hole at WR1, but Cobb, Lazard and Watkins can all play.  I'm also not writing off Amari.  He can make a big jump from year 1 to 2.  This also doesn't account for any veteran pickups that may come in before the season starts.  

Not trying to toss out rainbows and butterflies, but GB is going to be fine.

@MVB7 posted:

The "talking heads" on the NFL channel had Jermane Johnson as a top ten pick. As he was still available when the Pack picked, am I missing something on him or were the two we picked a better fit for us?

Asking for a friend...

A possibility of a few things:

1. More teams are using analytics, which really favors guys who are 21 or 20. Johnson is 23.

2. How were his interviews?

3. Are there any medical concerns?

4. One good year after transfer when couldn't break Georgia Lineup. (Hard to hold that one against him, IMO)

@NumberThree posted:

Getting two first round draft picks in one of the best receiver drafts in recent memory while implementing a draft plan of moving up in the second round to get a receiver no one really wanted anyway but you're forced to move up out of desperation of not getting a single receiver at all is the most Packers draft thing ever.

We are literally a draft class/FA trade away from a Super Bowl, and they mailed it in with stupidity.

1. This is a solid draft for receivers, but likely not as good, at least at the top, as the previous two. It appears quite deep, though, especially since so many guys took advantage of the extra year of eligibility.

2. With depth, there's less reason to reach or over spend early since the drop off to the next tier is less.

@Pakrz posted:

I don't think the cupboard in GB is as bare as some would lead us to believe.  Certainly more talent needs to be added there and Adams left a gaping hole at WR1, but Cobb, Lazard and Watkins can all play.  I'm also not writing off Amari.  He can make a big jump from year 1 to 2.  This also doesn't account for any veteran pickups that may come in before the season starts.  

Not trying to toss out rainbows and butterflies, but GB is going to be fine.

It's not bare but there are lots of chips and cracks in the plates.

@Henry posted:

It's not bare but there are lots of chips and cracks in the plates.

I see it as awfully bare. Lazard is decent. Not sure about any of the rest and if Watkins even makes the team. Hoping we still sign a veteran soon-maybe Will Fuller or Jarvis Landry.

@Henry posted:

Exactly.  WR scouting is just not a strong suit.  Knocking it out of the park on CBs but damn they need help with WRs.

I wish he would take a CB in the top 3 rounds every year. Dude has a real knack for it.

@NumberThree posted:

Getting two first round draft picks in one of the best receiver drafts in recent memory while implementing a draft plan of moving up in the second round to get a receiver no one really wanted anyway but you're forced to move up out of desperation of not getting a single receiver at all is the most Packers draft thing ever.

We are literally a draft class/FA trade away from a Super Bowl, and they mailed it in with stupidity.

IMO this WR draft class, particularly the top ones, will prove to be overrated.

robert brooks was also a 3rd round pick

@Herschel posted:

A possibility of a few things:

1. More teams are using analytics, which really favors guys who are 21 or 20. Johnson is 23.

2. How were his interviews?

3. Are there any medical concerns?

4. One good year after transfer when couldn't break Georgia Lineup. (Hard to hold that one against him, IMO)

https://247sports.com/college/...lanation--186926599/

Another 2nd round mock, this time we take Nicholas Petit-Frere with our first pick and South Alabama WR Jalen Tolbert (James Jones comparison) with our second pick.

https://www.nfl.com/news/2022-...aign=Twitter_nfl_cfb

@Jessie Clark posted:

robert brooks was also a 3rd round pick

2022 NFL way different than 1992 NFL.

1992 NFL you could get away with two good WR and a couple stiffs. The way the league passes, if you don't have two great ones, a good one and a couple serviceable guys, you're fucked.

Was Kevin costner running the lions draft last night. The trade with the vikings was similar to the one in draft day

If they had 6 guys scouted as 1st rounders and all were gobbled up, it would be a reach at 22 to get a guy they had projected to be lower. The fact that KC jumped them and surprisingly took a cb tells me wr was off the table once those 6 guys were gone. Wyatt was taken at 28 after no more wrs drafted in between. There's a plan at wr and it will unfold, most likely starting tonight. I'd much rather have confidence in Gute/MLF understanding the need for guys to throw the ball to than some reactionary reach to appease some jittery fans. If they have targeted second tier wrs they are confident can fit the system and play a role, and it directs the qb to play further within the system, there may be much less flash but much more efficiency as opposed to a year ago. Or they plan to lighten Rodgers' load the way Denver did for Manning. Defense and running game.