I'm just waiting for Landry to settle for his 1 year prove it deal with GB. I saw he wants a $20m per year deal but there is zero chance he gets that at this point in the offseason so a prove it deal is his only real option. Where better than in GB with a HOF QB and no other receiving options. He'd catch 100 passes easy, lining him up to get paid by someone else in 2023.
Methinks the running game is going to be pretty explosive this year...opening up the deep passing game for the hippie prima donna. Just have to get one burner WR in the draft or as a FA.
Watkins will be lucky to even make the team. I'm really struggling to understand why they would pay 12 all that cash and then surround him with High School level receivers.
Because they ARE paying 12 all that cash is the reason they can't afford a room full of Pro Bowl WR. But you got what you wanted, a chance for 12 to win another Superb Owl as a Packer.
@13X posted:Watkins will be lucky to even make the team. I'm really struggling to understand why they would pay 12 all that cash and then surround him with High School level receivers.
So Watkins is akin to a middle-school WR in your mind?
@Koopla Krash posted:So Watkins is akin to a middle-school WR in your mind?
If Watkins is a middle school WR I should be able to make the team as a Elementary School TE!
This site predicts 12-14 wins with our schedule
History shows the correct answer to be 13.
Suck it history, I'm calling 14-3.
History shows Winning the regular season doesn't amount to much.
History also shows winning the off- season amounts to finishing 2 nd in your division and missing the playoffs!
History also shows that Home Field Advantage doesn't mean much, especially if your QB isn't into it.
@Koopla Krash posted:So Watkins is akin to a middle-school WR in your mind?
No not really. I was just hoping for someone better. Sorry a poor attempt at sarcasm on my part.
Sammy was rated the #1 blocking WR in the NFL last year. Lazard was also top 5. This moves makes a lot more sense now. Not that it made no sense without the blocking aspect.
We are going to run MLFâs offense, yâall.ðĨ
Does the guy throwing the ball care?
@Chongo posted:Does the guy throwing the ball know that?
As soon as Adams was traded he knew that was the deal.
@Chongo posted:Does the guy throwing the ball know that?
Thatâs the best part.
Or allowing ST's to piss it away.
Sammy Watkinsâ contract indicates heâs no lock to make the Packersâ roster.
â Rob Demovsky (@RobDemovsky) April 19, 2022
Signing bonus: $350,000.
Base: $1.12 million
Roster bonus: $19,441/game active.
Workout bonus: $50,000
Total: $1.85M
Reportedly had incentives up to $4 million but no details on those yet.
VERY team friendly contract. If they decide he sucks they can send him packing for $350K.
Contract terms: The #Packers signed WR Sammy Watkins to a 1-year, $1.85M deal with $350K coming in a signing bonus.
â Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) April 19, 2022
He has $2.15M available in incentives for playing time ($525K max), receptions ($525K max), receiving yards ($525K max) and receiving TDs ($575K max).
So $4M max.
@Chongo posted:No the best part will be not forcing the defense to win playoff games for you on their own.
We saw that against San Fran. Didn't enjoy that at all.
@PackerHawk posted:VERY team friendly contract. If they decide he sucks they can send him packing for $350K.
Contract terms: The #Packers signed WR Sammy Watkins to a 1-year, $1.85M deal with $350K coming in a signing bonus.
â Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) April 19, 2022
He has $2.15M available in incentives for playing time ($525K max), receptions ($525K max), receiving yards ($525K max) and receiving TDs ($575K max).
So $4M max.
More on that with notes about how the teams cap looks now. The implication is that there are still Cap issues. https://heavy.com/sports/green...ract-details-emerge/
Very minor issues but yes the $14 million will get eaten up or accounted for pretty quickly.
@PackerHawk posted:Or allowing ST's to piss it away.
I ainât pissing it away. I got a Porsche already. I got a 911 with a quadraphonic Blaupunkt.
@Tavis Smiley posted:I ainât pissing it away. I got a Porsche already. I got a 911 with a quadraphonic Blaupunkt.
You just gave our resident Ãber-Kraut perma-wood.
From Wednesdayâs NFL Live: one of the central factors that could be driving Deebo Samuelâs desire to be traded away from San Francisco. pic.twitter.com/D83XEsQx41
â Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) April 21, 2022
Anyone getting behind the "Packers should use the picks from 17 trade to get a guy like Deebo or Metcalf," needs to realize that shit ain't happening. Gutey-Time (Across the U.S.A.) is not opposed to bringing in a vet to shore up the WR group, but it's not going ot be an alpha. He will use the draft capital to get a younger, cheaper option because the rash of big WR contracts are sowing the seeds of discontent among the top WR...they all want their bag of cash...and right now the Packers have bigger needs...like extending Jaire, and perhaps Gary. I am the biggest Davante Fanboy on this forum, and in retrospect, it's an absolute blessing he left and we got the picks we did. Having him at $125M+ saw going to be an absolute cap disaster in a couple years. Packers actually have a chance to get more "cap healthy," because of this.
ya, I would almost rather see how the board goes and if all the consensus 5 wr's are there at around 13-15, i would use picks, as many as I need to - to get there and pick 'my guy'... other side of the coin is that they don't have 'a guy' and if all the wr's get picked, that pushes real good 'premium' positions down, like OT/OG and pass rusher...so i go there...we have a pretty good spot I think. Getting a vet WR means really, we are back 100% in cap hell. at least with a rookie, we have lower salary for 4/5 years (or except for qb's; at least 3)...
None of it really matters if the GM doesn't make the right picks. Perfect time given all the draft capital the team has for Gutey to have a solid draft top to bottom (something he's really failed at to date).
@Chongo posted:I am the biggest Davante Fanboy on this forum, and in retrospect, it's an absolute blessing he left and we got the picks we did. Having him at $125M+ saw going to be an absolute cap disaster in a couple years. Packers actually have a chance to get more "cap healthy," because of this.
Agree^^^^
In an MLF offense, because he is from the Kyle Shanahan tree, they are just not interested in using a massive amount of cap dollars on a single WR.
The 49ers are not doing it (see Samuel drama) and the Rams are not doing it either. Yes, Cupp is really really good. No, they are not paying him 25-30 mil a year.
What this offensive system requires are good WR's. They do not require an All world/All Pro WR making nearly 30 mil a year to make it work. GB should again have a really solid running game and those RB's can also catch the ball.
Gutey and MLF want a top 5 defense. They would much rather spend those bucks on Jaire Alexander, Kenny Clark, and eventually Gary. And for the most part, they would rather use their 1st and 2nd round picks on what they consider premium positions. And that almost never involves WR or TE.
That makes a lot of sense. What we don't know is how much sway the assistant GM is going to have. Is he throwing a fit for a RD1 WR?
@michiganjoe posted:None of it really matters if the GM doesn't make the right picks. Perfect time given all the draft capital the team has for Gutey to have a solid draft top to bottom (something he's really failed at to date).
This is why I think fans want the proven player vs the draft pick. They see what the Rams did and rather take their chances with potential for success now and deal with the cap repercussions later. I get both sides of the argument .
The only way losing Adams becomes a blessing is if this team can be a Superbowl contender without him. We were a legit Superbowl contender with him the last 2 years. This team is not going to the Superbowl with the current receiving group. We need to hit on several picks at WR/TE in addition to signing more vets I would think and as everyone knows rookie WR's typically take a while to develop.
Packers won a single playoff game with the #1 seed the past two years and I'd call that underperforming more than being a legit Superbowl contender.
MLF has done a very good job of scheming in the absence of Adams and he'll adjust to the talent available. They obviously need to upgrade the receiving group but the hand-wringing is premature.
@Chongo posted:From Wednesdayâs NFL Live: one of the central factors that could be driving Deebo Samuelâs desire to be traded away from San Francisco. pic.twitter.com/D83XEsQx41
â Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) April 21, 2022Anyone getting behind the "Packers should use the picks from 17 trade to get a guy like Deebo or Metcalf," needs to realize that shit ain't happening. Gutey-Time (Across the U.S.A.) is not opposed to bringing in a vet to shore up the WR group, but it's not going ot be an alpha. He will use the draft capital to get a younger, cheaper option because the rash of big WR contracts are sowing the seeds of discontent among the top WR...they all want their bag of cash...and right now the Packers have bigger needs...like extending Jaire, and perhaps Gary. I am the biggest Davante Fanboy on this forum, and in retrospect, it's an absolute blessing he left and we got the picks we did. Having him at $125M+ saw going to be an absolute cap disaster in a couple years. Packers actually have a chance to get more "cap healthy," because of this.
I see it a different way. We had two choices at the beginning of the year. Spend the money to go all in surrounding AR and Adams with an even better team, or trade AR and rack up the draft capital that would have come with it.
Many on this board made a good argument that keeping AR would give us the the best shot (not a guaranteed shot) at winning the SB even though under the best of circumstances, we failed to even get there the last two years or win more than one since 2010. At the time, the vision was that AR and Adams would both be on the team. This was the "all in" approach. Pay them all, and damn the torpedoes. Nobody in the "all in" crowd cared about being "cap healthy" then, now all of a sudden they are?
And then Adams wanted out, so we slapped the franchise tag on him and traded him for a decent haul but now we have an average receiver room (yes, there's still time, I get it, but you don't replace Adams). You're right, Chongo, a REALLY good running game and "good" receivers could get it done, but receivers take time to develop unless you happen to land a Justin Jefferson, but I don't see any of those in this year's draft. Adams was a HUGE reason for our success on offense, he's the best receiver in the game. "Good" receivers aren't going to replace his production, or his chemistry with AR. So we actually have a worse team this year than the last two years when we couldn't even get to the SB, and somehow we still have our best chance at winning a SB this year? I don't think so. I know the draft is coming, the cut downs and draft FA, but those are major crapshoots and rookies rarely make much of an impact their first year.
The other choice was to trade AR, take the haul he would have brought, build an even stronger defense, see what Love can do this year, and if he sucks replace him in the 2023 draft which looks to be much stronger at QB than this year's according to draft experts. Not only would that have made the cap healthier, it would have given time for rookie receivers to develop with Adams for a year until they (most likely) could bring in a new new QB. That's a bunch of draft picks and talent under rookie contracts for the next 4 years, giving us a chance to build a monster team that will win the SB.
My opinion remains that we should have traded AR if we want a top 3 defense, a healthier cap, and better chance to win the SB in the next 3 years.
@packerboi posted:Agree^^^^
Gutey and MLF want a top 5 defense. They would much rather spend those bucks on Jaire Alexander, Kenny Clark, and eventually Gary. And for the most part, they would rather use their 1st and 2nd round picks on what they consider premium positions. And that almost never involves WR or TE.
Our best chance at a top 5 defense was by trading AR which would have been a better haul than trading Adams. Knowing what we know now about Adams, we could have had a monster haul by trading both. That's water under the bridge. Now, it should be BAP at every pick which could involve a WR in the first and second rounds.
@michiganjoe posted:Packers won a single playoff game with the #1 seed the past two years and I'd call that underperforming more than being a legit Superbowl contender.
MLF has done a very good job of scheming in the absence of Adams and he'll adjust to the talent available. They obviously need to upgrade the receiving group but the hand-wringing is premature.
They wouldn't have made it to the Championship games without Adams. You have to have talent available to be able to adjust to it. Not saying they wont get some but we are looking at arguably the worst TE/WR group in the NFL right now and its questionable if a couple of rookies can change that considerably.