@Harry Manback posted:Because I’m too lazy to research this: couldn’t the Jets just wait on an offer for Rodgers until GB has to decide what to do with AR since he’s not going to play?
Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life. Do the research.
@H5 posted:Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life. Do the research.
Oh man, isn't it a little early in the season for that?
@Herschel posted:In theory, yes, but that has to mean nobody else would enter the bidding and they still want him at least by training camp. It's in both teams' best interests to have the deal done by next Friday.
I still like the idea of trading Rodgers and #78 for #42 and #43, maybe swapping 13 and 15 in the process (and the conditional pick next year). At #13, say if Levis drops or someone (Seattle?) wants Porter, they could maybe drop back, recoup the third and be where grabbing a TE is better value or Wright is still there. Five picks in the first three rounds, four in what may well be the sweet spot, would be great for adding talent, and they still have two #5s and the bevy of #7s to have a jump on what would be priority UDFAs.
It's solid for the Jets as they are then basically only trading their #2 from their original picks this year since they have a replacement already signed for that jitterbug receiver spot. Of course they might be waiting to see who's on the board at #13, as well.
Looks like you were spot on. Well done.
Wonder if the Packers could get Frank Clark, Yannick Ngakoue, or Leonard Floyd on a cheap deal to help with the pass rush. All are still FAs. Packers would need to do a little work with the cap, but most anything is possible.
Packers were listed at 50:1 Super Bowl odds just before the draft
Currently at 33:1 after the draft, they're right about 16th best odds
14 playoff teams / season so GB is just on the outside looking in based on the May '23 numbers.
9 wins was the divider in the NFC ;
Seattle got into playoffs with 9, Lions missed out with 9
We'll see if that betting number moves as we get closer to September.
The Packers have restructured the contract of S Darnell Savage, creating $5.464M in 2023 cap space, per source.
— Field Yates (@FieldYates) May 2, 2023
Never will understand why Gutey picked up his option year.
The sad part is Savage might be the best S on the team. It didn't help that the draft was super weak at the S position. I'm sure that was a factor in picking up the 5th year option.
Also makes Gutey's stare-down of Branch in RD2 the more perplexing. I guess he just wanted Reed more than Branch.
Gutey obviously didn't like him, even trading the pick to the Lions that he was drafted with. Branch certainly looked like a need and a good value in the middle of round 2.
@DH13 posted:Also makes Gutey's stare-down of Branch in RD2 the more perplexing. I guess he just wanted Reed more than Branch.
Branch really isn't an NFL Safety as much as he's a nickel corner and that role is already filled in GB. Branch was the top S in the class and he was passed over 44 times. That suggests the Packers were not alone in their projection of Branch's skillset to the NFL game.
" A three-year starter at Alabama, Branch played the “star” nickel position in head coach Nick Saban’s multiple scheme, lining up against the slot and playing in the box. Overall, Branch does not have elite size/speed measurables, but he is above average in almost every other category NFL teams covet with his well-rounded game to run, cover and tackle. He projects as a starting nickel in the NFL"
The Packers Cap massage is almost over...next year should be the happy ending.
https://www.si.com/nfl/packers...troubles-nearing-end
" With Savage’s reduced number, Green Bay is about $17.39 million under the cap, Love’s extension, once the specifics hit the ledger, presumably will take a bite out of the number.
Plus, it will cost about $4.79 million to sign a 13-man draft class that included first-round pick Lukas Van Ness and a total of three selections in the top 50."
@Satori posted:Branch really isn't an NFL Safety as much as he's a nickel corner and that role is already filled in GB. Branch was the top S in the class and he was passed over 44 times. That suggests the Packers were not alone in their projection of Branch's skillset to the NFL game.
" A three-year starter at Alabama, Branch played the “star” nickel position in head coach Nick Saban’s multiple scheme, lining up against the slot and playing in the box. Overall, Branch does not have elite size/speed measurables, but he is above average in almost every other category NFL teams covet with his well-rounded game to run, cover and tackle. He projects as a starting nickel in the NFL"
You can find just as many opinions that confirm he projects as a S. But defenses in general, and certainly our favorite DC, value versatility and that was one of Branch's strengths as a prospect. It looks like his lack of tested elite athleticism, despite his tape not showing that, probably sank him below Reed for Gute. Gute like Reed more or felt more need at WR. Or both.
Gute probably looked at Branch and thought, "Ha-ha, the branch doesn't fall from the tree." Meanwhile, grabbing Reed gives MLF another weapon for Love and lets the offensive weapons grow together. With what should be at least a solid OL in front and two excellent backs to provide some steadiness, I like the plan.
@Satori posted:The Packers Cap massage is almost over...next year should be the happy ending.
https://www.si.com/nfl/packers...troubles-nearing-end
" With Savage’s reduced number, Green Bay is about $17.39 million under the cap, Love’s extension, once the specifics hit the ledger, presumably will take a bite out of the number.
Plus, it will cost about $4.79 million to sign a 13-man draft class that included first-round pick Lukas Van Ness and a total of three selections in the top 50."
Hoping we don't go "all in" ever again. That approach fails way more than it succeeds.
@mattschneidman: The New England Patriots are coming to Green Bay for joint practices with the Packers this training camp, sources tell me and @ChadGraff.
Camera Day!
Love should line up behind Jenkins the entire time.
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Only 29% of NFL starters were drafted in 1st Rd.
But the numbers get even slimmer after the 3rd round
% of starters by Rd drafted
Rd 1 = 29 %
Rd 2 = 17.5%
Rd 3 = 12.6%
Rd 4 = 10.8%
Rd 5 = 6.4%
Rd 6 = 4.9%
Rd 7 = 4.2%
Undrafted = 13.6%
Based on those numbers, the Packers hit rate in Round 2 is about double league average. And contrary to popular Packer fan belief - their hit rate in Round 3 is pretty much league average at 1 out of 8.
40 % of an NFL roster is made up of players drafted from round 4 -7 + UDFA's and those guys are your cheeep ascending labor.
You don't win in the NFL by paying players what they're worth, you win by paying them less. Draft & Develop, 24 rookies in 2 drafts.
For context, the Dolphins had 9 total draft picks in 2 drafts.
Well, now we have to find ANOTHER thing to bitch about since the 3rd round myth is now debunked.
@Satori posted:.
Only 29% of NFL starters were drafted in 1st Rd.
But the numbers get even slimmer after the 3rd round
% of starters by Rd drafted
Rd 1 = 29 %
Rd 2 = 17.5%
Rd 3 = 12.6%
Rd 4 = 10.8%
Rd 5 = 6.4%
Rd 6 = 4.9%
Rd 7 = 4.2%
Undrafted = 13.6%
Most interesting stat there is the "Undrafted" one. Now you know why we shouldn't question when a team takes a late 5th round player. Basically they're telling us they don't want to fight with the other 31 teams to entice an UDFA into their camp.
Plus 5th - 7th rounders a lot of times are cheaper than UDFA's
I don't think that's a new revelation. It was discussed before the draft that Gute would do that very thing; target potential UDFA's in the later rounds with all the extra picks.
@Goalline posted:Hoping we don't go "all in" ever again. That approach fails way more than it succeeds.
That's certainly true, it does fail most of the time. Often at great cost.
The Marquess of Montrose wrote about this 400 yrs ago
He either fears his fate too much
Or his desserts are small
That dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all.
Go Packers
Oh no. Satori is bored again.
" UDFAs have been an important element of the Packers team."
"Consider this:
Over the past five seasons, nine different UDFAs scored a TD for the Packers.
In fact, of the 217 TDs scored by the team from 2018-2022, 48 were scored by UDFAs, just under 20% of the team's touchdowns in that period."
@R MaN posted:
Heard that on the radio today. GM Rodgers talking the Jets into doing stupid shit.
Honeymoon Period.
Cobb signed and went straight to IR
@DH13 posted:Also makes Gutey's stare-down of Branch in RD2 the more perplexing. I guess he just wanted Reed more than Branch.
The first two rounds were perplexing, overall.
1. If you're building around Love, take Broderick Jones and build a phenomenal offensive line. Nothing wrong with Van Ness or Gonzalez, but protect your new franchise and build like the 49ers are and the Packers used to be. Bakhtiari's days are numbered, likely after 2023. It's nice to think Sean Rhyan can make a leap, ar Tom added 20# of muscle in the offseason) but playing a single snap would be a leap for him. I suppose there could have been a handshake agreement not to take an OT as a condition of the pick swap, but that seems a little improbable.
If they still want that big edge they could trade up a bit for Foskey if they were worried, or sit tight and take Tuipolotu (or Keion White, but age) with the second #2 and still get a potentially good, versatile guy in a similar mold.
2. The trade down TWICE with Branch, Martin, Benton and White on the board. This showed either the rebuild is on, or Gutey got played in thinking he could trade down at that spot and still get Martin. I get the questions about Branch, but all of those guys fill immediate needs, as well.
I like Musgrave, not bagging him at all either, and he was a definite need, but it seems everything around him was a bit of a mess.
Even if they re-sign Amos, it's not as if he's not going downhill fast. If Johnson was a good canidate to start early he'd have gone before Round 7.
@Goalline posted:Hoping we don't go "all in" ever again. That approach fails way more than it succeeds.
How come if "we" were "all in" it never really felt like it?
@Herschel posted:The first two rounds were perplexing, overall.
1. If you're building around Love, take Broderick Jones and build a phenomenal offensive line. Nothing wrong with Van Ness or Gonzalez, but protect your new franchise and build like the 49ers are and the Packers used to be. Bakhtiari's days are numbered, likely after 2023. It's nice to think Sean Rhyan can make a leap, ar Tom added 20# of muscle in the offseason) but playing a single snap would be a leap for him. I suppose there could have been a handshake agreement not to take an OT as a condition of the pick swap, but that seems a little improbable.
If they still want that big edge they could trade up a bit for Foskey if they were worried, or sit tight and take Tuipolotu (or Keion White, but age) with the second #2 and still get a potentially good, versatile guy in a similar mold.
2. The trade down TWICE with Branch, Martin, Benton and White on the board. This showed either the rebuild is on, or Gutey got played in thinking he could trade down at that spot and still get Martin. I get the questions about Branch, but all of those guys fill immediate needs, as well.
I like Musgrave, not bagging him at all either, and he was a definite need, but it seems everything around him was a bit of a mess.
Even if they re-sign Amos, it's not as if he's not going downhill fast. If Johnson was a good canidate to start early he'd have gone before Round 7.
Solid reasoning. I found it a bit curious as well that they didn't draft an OL in the earlier rounds. Who's that gigantic OL we drafted last year - Jones? Can't remember. Sure would be nice to have a road grader like that at guard.
@Tavis Smiley posted:How come if "we" were "all in" it never really felt like it?
The crowd who was for keeping AR for another year wanted to keep him because they felt like he gave us our best chance of winning a SB. Of course we didn't even come close to it. Then Gute got a lot of the defense to sign and stay on with the team since they showed such promise at the end of the 2021 season, and they failed to live up to that promise. Then some felt like adding that 5th pinky toe of an old, slow ass receiver we signed last year, was also helping with going all in, but we all found out he was still old, slow and useless. And then some were hopeful we'd be able to keep AR and Adams, but Adams decided to play elsewhere. And then the team brought decided to bring Cobb back, and we found out he was still washed up. So it looked like all in, but it was a big fail.
@Herschel posted:The first two rounds were perplexing, overall.
1. If you're building around Love, take Broderick Jones and build a phenomenal offensive line. Nothing wrong with Van Ness or Gonzalez, but protect your new franchise and build like the 49ers are and the Packers used to be. Bakhtiari's days are numbered, likely after 2023. It's nice to think Sean Rhyan can make a leap, ar Tom added 20# of muscle in the offseason) but playing a single snap would be a leap for him. I suppose there could have been a handshake agreement not to take an OT as a condition of the pick swap, but that seems a little improbable.
If they still want that big edge they could trade up a bit for Foskey if they were worried, or sit tight and take Tuipolotu (or Keion White, but age) with the second #2 and still get a potentially good, versatile guy in a similar mold.
2. The trade down TWICE with Branch, Martin, Benton and White on the board. This showed either the rebuild is on, or Gutey got played in thinking he could trade down at that spot and still get Martin. I get the questions about Branch, but all of those guys fill immediate needs, as well.
I like Musgrave, not bagging him at all either, and he was a definite need, but it seems everything around him was a bit of a mess.
Even if they re-sign Amos, it's not as if he's not going downhill fast. If Johnson was a good canidate to start early he'd have gone before Round 7.
And yada, yada, yada. You should really apply for an NFL GM job. Except you wouldn't even get hired as an XFL GM.
There is definitely a big brain competition around here!
I have superior knowledge of the game of football.
And Google.
You should copy and paste a bunch of articles from around the internet to prove your worth.... but only from sources I deem valuable.
@Tavis Smiley posted:How come if "we" were "all in" it never really felt like it?
Fucking up the cap is not all in. Hmmm! They probably did so for experimental reasons.
