@pakrz …What, and get banned like you did? This place means too much to me.
Well that, and the royalty payments I still get from Scoop
@Herschel posted:The first two rounds were perplexing, overall.
1. If you're building around Love, take Broderick Jones and build a phenomenal offensive line. Nothing wrong with Van Ness or Gonzalez, but protect your new franchise and build like the 49ers are and the Packers used to be. Bakhtiari's days are numbered, likely after 2023. It's nice to think Sean Rhyan can make a leap, ar Tom added 20# of muscle in the offseason) but playing a single snap would be a leap for him. I suppose there could have been a handshake agreement not to take an OT as a condition of the pick swap, but that seems a little improbable.
If they still want that big edge they could trade up a bit for Foskey if they were worried, or sit tight and take Tuipolotu (or Keion White, but age) with the second #2 and still get a potentially good, versatile guy in a similar mold.
2. The trade down TWICE with Branch, Martin, Benton and White on the board. This showed either the rebuild is on, or Gutey got played in thinking he could trade down at that spot and still get Martin. I get the questions about Branch, but all of those guys fill immediate needs, as well.
I like Musgrave, not bagging him at all either, and he was a definite need, but it seems everything around him was a bit of a mess.
Even if they re-sign Amos, it's not as if he's not going downhill fast. If Johnson was a good canidate to start early he'd have gone before Round 7.
That is a hilarious post. You've played a video game GM game, huh?
@Herschel posted:If you think that was really "all in", I've got a bridge to sell you.
The one you bought from yourself? Keep it.
@Blair Kiel posted:@pakrz …What, and get banned like you did? This place means too much to me.
Well that, and the royalty payments I still get from Scoop
Listen bucko... I was accidentally banned. There's a difference and I'd appreciate it if you would recognize the difference.
Although... I firmly believe I'm the only one to ever get accidentally banned from X4 and hold that close to my heart.
Is that like accidentally pregnant?
Because you still got fucked?
I don't like your attitude one bit.
Sincerely,
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Someone is going straight to hell. Discuss amongst yourselves.
I'm kind of surprised the state of Wisconsin and the Packers don't find a way to lessen the tax burden on the players to make it on par with Florida, Nevada, Tennessee, etc. and increase the tax revenue on the franchise by the same amount to make coming to Green Bay more attractive for free agents. It would be a huge advantage. I don't think most people have an appreciation for how much tax savings affect player's signing decisions.
Professional athletes pay state income tax in every state they play in. A player could play in GB, not be a resident of WI, and pay state income tax elsewhere.----------------------
The most important issue for an athlete is domicile. This is where a person lives and plans on living into the future. A person can have only one domicile at a given time, and it remains that place until domicile is established somewhere else. Establishing domicile in a low- or no-tax state can save an athlete thousands in taxes by sheltering their endorsement and investment income in a lower tax jurisdiction than where their team is located. Establishing domicile entails acquiring a permanent residence, be it a 12-month apartment lease or buying a house, getting a driver’s license, voter registration and doing other things that show a connection to that location like joining a religious organization or donating to a local charity. But completing all of these tasks is not enough. The athlete must also spend their offseason at their domicile home.
@Goalline posted:The one you bought from yourself? Keep it.
So you believe that Receiver/TE room last season was "all in"?
You believe that patchwork O-line was "all-in"?
You believe they are in "cap hell" when they can be done with it in one shot without losing anyone they wanted to keep for the future?
They haven't gone "all in" since maybe the '97 Super Bowl. It's not as if Woodson, Pickett and Green were premier guys they grabbed in 2010, and the 2019 signings filled some holes, but that's just what most teams do.
Didn't they try to sign vet receivers only to be defeated by cap problems?
Only all in misses I regret are Tony Gonzalez (but hard to blame Ted after they changed terms after they already came to an agreement) and Marshawn Lynch. Things might have been a mess with Lynch, but they also might have had multiple SB runs with him.
No. If they'd have wanted to they could have. Other teams do. Tampa Bay held their high-priced roster together for a few years and still added Russell Gage ($30 million) and Antonio Brown even with their high-priced receivers already there, also signing Godwin to a 3 yr/$60 million contract before last season with Mike Evans already on a 5 yr/$82.5 million contract.
They used void years like they did with Brady and others and have some likely reasonable cap hits coming up, but the void years aren't big money. Gronk was making more himself than the entire Packers TE crew and also had Cameron Brate on a 6 yr/$40.8 million contract.
@titmfatied posted:Only all in misses I regret are Tony Gonzalez (but hard to blame Ted after they changed terms after they already came to an agreement) and Marshawn Lynch. Things might have been a mess with Lynch, but they also might have had multiple SB runs with him.
Speaking of Lynch, did anybody see the video of his arrest in Vegas for DUI? This guy was so messed up he couldn't even say his name. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIIAkM70Qp4
How many championships does Brady have without Gronk? Gute seems to consistently want to give his QB an outlet like that. None have played out that way unfortunately, but he's been swinging for it. Hitting that connection is like hitting cherries on the slot machine. Let's a GM take a breath in the hunt and build everything around it.
For the first time Gute is actually building a team the way he wants. Too many roster spots were sucked up by Rodgers friends. Plenty of talking heads think this team could be very good in a year or two. There is a lot of youth on offense, especially the skill positions.
@PackerRick posted:Speaking of Lynch, did anybody see the video of his arrest in Vegas for DUI? This guy was so messed up he couldn't even say his name. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIIAkM70Qp4
"You know who you are?" pretty much tells you everything you need to know about his state.
Takes a special kind of asshole to drive out for the night knowing he's going to have a bunch drinks and also knowing he has the resources to protect himself and everyone else that night from his previous bad decision by getting a ride and preventing a further bad decision. If someone has the ability to pay for a high priced lawyer, I sincerely wish the police would go ahead and make them pay that price every single time they present the opportunity. That's a man who's had problems cleaned up for him his entire life. Some people need a foot in the ass to help them grow up.
I'll be curious to see what come of that. His life is too easy and he'll never change. He has several investments like sports teams and Beast Mode apparel line.
Ruggs is going to plead guilty and get 3-10. He's already done about a year and a half so I wouldn't be surprised if he's out in a couple years. Not bad for killing someone at a stop light while doing 156 mph.
@PackerRick posted:I'll be curious to see what come of that. His life is too easy and he'll never change. He has several investments like sports teams and Beast Mode apparel line.
Ruggs is going to plead guilty and get 3-10. He's already done about a year and a half so I wouldn't be surprised if he's out in a couple years. Not bad for killing someone at a stop light while doing 156 mph.
The laws in this country are far too lenient on people who kill using vehicles. Accidents happen when you are sober and doing everything right, yes, but when you being drunk or excessively speeding or using drugs and then driving takes a life, the penalty should be far greater than it is.
@titmfatied posted:I'm kind of surprised the state of Wisconsin and the Packers don't find a way to lessen the tax burden on the players to make it on par with Florida, Nevada, Tennessee, etc. and increase the tax revenue on the franchise by the same amount to make coming to Green Bay more attractive for free agents. It would be a huge advantage. I don't think most people have an appreciation for how much tax savings affect player's signing decisions.
Ketchman would bring this up periodically - the fact places like TX and FL don't have income taxes and that is a significant factor in contract negotiations for FA's.
The other interesting thing he pointed out was a player playing for a FL team doesn't get the FL income tax "break" for all 16 (now 17) games. Only for the home games. They have to pay the income tax due to each state they play a game in.
So the other team's players don't have to pay taxes when playing in TX & FL?
@bvan posted:So the other team's players don't have to pay taxes when playing in TX & FL?
State taxes. They still have to pay federal and social security taxes as well as any tax on most stuff they buy while there.
Social Security taxes only on, what, the first $150k? That’s not even most guys first paycheck.
@PackerRick posted:For the first time Gute is actually building a team the way he wants. Too many roster spots were sucked up by Rodgers friends. Plenty of talking heads think this team could be very good in a year or two. There is a lot of youth on offense, especially the skill positions.
This! Gutey went against his principles to try to win for 12. It didn’t work. Now, let’s see what he can do when he is building a team based on his own principles.
Wow.
I wonder where it ranks, league-wise.
@PackerRick posted:Professional athletes pay state income tax in every state they play in. A player could play in GB, not be a resident of WI, and pay state income tax elsewhere.----------------------
The most important issue for an athlete is domicile. This is where a person lives and plans on living into the future. A person can have only one domicile at a given time, and it remains that place until domicile is established somewhere else. Establishing domicile in a low- or no-tax state can save an athlete thousands in taxes by sheltering their endorsement and investment income in a lower tax jurisdiction than where their team is located. Establishing domicile entails acquiring a permanent residence, be it a 12-month apartment lease or buying a house, getting a driver’s license, voter registration and doing other things that show a connection to that location like joining a religious organization or donating to a local charity. But completing all of these tasks is not enough. The athlete must also spend their offseason at their domicile home.
It's a factor but not nearly as important as where the income is earned. 50% of income earned from game day checks is going to be taxed by WI. Not sure about signing bonuses and such, but I imagine that is considered earned in the state that the team resides in. So more than 50%.
Lets say a player makes 10 million a year and had a 2 million dollar bonus. That is 7 million earned in WI. That gets taxed at 7.5% so he pays 525k in taxes to WI.
Lets say the player lives in WI and invested 7 million in Vanguards Federal Money Market which has a current yeild of 4.75%. He would earn 332.5k anf then have to pay 7.5% of that to the state as it would be regular income. Thatsonly 25k, so domicile is a part of it, but not a major factor.
@ Matt Gaetz posted:Wow.
I wonder where it ranks, league-wise.
The #Packers have added Nigerian defensive lineman Kenneth Odumegwu to the roster as part of the NFL's International Player Pathway program.
— Jason B. Hirschhorn (@by_JBH) May 4, 2023
Odumegwu previously attended Osi Umenyiora's football camp, earning MVP honors there.
@Blair Kiel posted:Social Security taxes only on, what, the first $150k? That’s not even most guys first paycheck.
Yup…this must change. I think it is about 160 now.
@BrainDed posted:It's a factor but not nearly as important as where the income is earned. 50% of income earned from game day checks is going to be taxed by WI. Not sure about signing bonuses and such, but I imagine that is considered earned in the state that the team resides in. So more than 50%.
Lets say a player makes 10 million a year and had a 2 million dollar bonus. That is 7 million earned in WI. That gets taxed at 7.5% so he pays 525k in taxes to WI.
Lets say the player lives in WI and invested 7 million in Vanguards Federal Money Market which has a current yeild of 4.75%. He would earn 332.5k anf then have to pay 7.5% of that to the state as it would be regular income. Thatsonly 25k, so domicile is a part of it, but not a major factor.
It's not that simple and varies from state to state. https://www.hodgsonruss.com/me...20for%20Athletes.pdf
@Pikes Peak posted:Yup…this must change. I think it is about 160 now.
It is $160K, it raised $13K in 2023. If they took the lid off that there would be plenty of cash for SS but then the politicians would lose one of their political beachballs.