@Blair Kiel posted:
The power of suggestion can definitely be used for evil. Thanks, Keil. These are not thoughts I wanted.
@Satori posted:Another very important offseason date in Titletown:
Saturday May 20th. The first annual MeatFest in Green Bay
https://www.wearegreenbay.com/...first-ever-meatfest/
Meat Smoking Club of WI will be hosting a competition
A couple of those guys are not good endorsements of a keto diet.
@ammo posted:
My son swears by these, although they are a bit spendy. He loves them for soccer.
Would ya just let a brother eat, drink beer and enjoy life? 😂😂
BTW: For those you currently not smoking meat, you’re missing out. It’s fantastic.
Yes, I’m aware of the jokes associated with that statement.
If you use Kielbasa, would that make you a Pole smoker?
Maybe I shouldn’t say KIELbasa.
Please don’t PM me.
I smell a Pakrz banning in 3....2....1....
Deja Vu.
The rebuilding needed to start with voided contracts. Perhaps it just begun.
"Overall – especially in the long term – the decision not to bring back any of these players is reasonable in each individual situation. Considering the tight salary cap situation Green Bay is already working with, none of these players are clearly worth the cap hit that comes with their retention"
Not sure I agree with that comment above
Cobb- yes, time to move on
Crosby - time for competition at kicker
Amos... physically - time to move on
Big Dog- worth every penny of his very manageable deal
Tonyan- depends on the price, his 1st year post ACL was average
Reed- worth a reasonable vet deal and a useful part of the DL rotation
Just because GB didn't do anything prior to the void date, doesn't mean they won't entertain a return in 2023 for some of these guys.
@PackerPatrick posted:The rebuilding needed to start with voided contracts. Perhaps it just begun.
I'm not too terribly surprised in all honesty. My best guess is they want to give Cobb, Lewis, and Tonyan a chance at FA to potentially sign them to smaller 2 year contracts when/if they don't get much interest. Cobb and Lewis are a hard sell to other teams, and Tonyan has not shown that he is anywhere near the same level as Kelce/Kittle, etc. especially considering how front and center the TE position has become over the last 2-3 years. Cobb would be a good 2-year cheap signing for situational 2nd/3rd down plays as he is extraordinarily reliable as an inside slot guy for short yardage first down (3-7 yards).
TE now is almost as important as a No. 1 receiver role in terms of schemes and big plays. If you'd have given the Packers a top TE last year there is zero chance absent injuries that they would have missed the playoffs--and in the last 5 years they probably would have 1 more Super Bowl appearnace.
@Fandame posted:A couple of those guys are not good endorsements of a keto diet.
Those guys are definitely not on the keto diet.😂
Time to move on. https://www.golongtd.com/p/its...amp;utm_medium=email
@PackerPatrick posted:Time to move on. https://www.golongtd.com/p/its...amp;utm_medium=email
Nice article. Nice to know that Love was upset after losing to the Eagles because he wanted to win not just show. Nice to know that Love wants to know the offense as well as MLF. Nice to know he's continuing to work really hard despite the three years on the bench. Nice to know Love is ready (although games will determine that). All of that is definitely a change from Rodgers. It is definitely time to pass the torch.
@PackerPatrick posted:Time to move on. https://www.golongtd.com/p/its...amp;utm_medium=email
Wish someone had access to the full article, but the clips I've seen from it online, it's just a bunch of players/coaches from Love's college career commenting on him. They don't really know jack about the NFL.
@vitaflo posted:Wish someone had access to the full article, but the clips I've seen from it online, it's just a bunch of players/coaches from Love's college career commenting on him. They don't really know jack about the NFL.
Every red-blooded competitor in the sport has a breaking point. One humbly accepts their plight for only so long.
Talent cannot be confined to a practice field forever. Frustration boils over. And the night of Nov. 27, 2022, Jordan Love proved he deserves to start in the NFL.
Against the NFC’s best team, he was nearly perfect. Afterward, however, he was in no cheery mood. When longtime mentor and personal quarterbacks coach Steve Calhoun texted him — “unbelievable game” — Love was… glum. “But Steve,” he responded. “We lost.” Love made it clear how badly he wanted to win this game. Deep down, both knew a comeback win smashes perception for good.
“It would've put the rest of the NFL on notice,” says Calhoun. “Like, ‘OK, you got somebody to deal with here over the next 10 years.’”
Love received all of seven snaps the final five games.
Of course, he wanted to remain the Packers’ starting quarterback after that game. Of course, he’s growing irritated by this whole charade.
“We’re all human,” Calhoun says. “There’s definitely frustration but you understand the dynamic and you’ve got a future Hall of Famer in front of you that you can’t be upset about. You can be frustrated but you just control what you can control. He is working. He’s trying to learn the offense as well as Coach LaFleur knows it. That's his whole deal: ‘I want to know the offense as well as Coach LaFleur.’ Almost be that second coach on the field. If Coach starts to talk about a play or how they can scheme up, Jordan wants to finish the sentence. That’s what he's working toward every day.”
Good news, Jordan.
We think the Packers are finally seeing the light. If anyone has learned anything through this soap opera, it’s that emotions change. Someone atop the Packers’ org chart could still get weak in the knees. But as our Bob McGinn strongly reported, right now, the team is ready to move on from Rodgers and start Love.
So, how did we get here?
Why is Jordan Love prepared to be the face of the Green Bay Packers?
That’s the question we answer with this feature. In truth, nobody’s jaw should’ve hit the floor when this news broke.
The genius in selecting Love was realized immediately. In the short term, the Packers wanted to ever-so-gently strike Aaron Rodgers with a cattle prod. They know his wiring better than any of us. He’d respond the only way he knows how — pissed off. In the long term, the Packers’ goal was to seamlessly transition from one franchise quarterback… to the next…. to the next… for an unprecedented half-century of quarterback bliss. GM Brian Gutekunst was following GM Ted Thompson’s playbook. Then, things got weird. All Rodgers was missing in the summer of 2021 was the green hair, white face and sloppy red lipstick forming an evil smile. The NFL’s own Joker incited mass chaos in making it quite clear he was finished with the Packers.
Everyone at Lambeau Field begged and pleaded and, finally, convinced the quarterback to return on the eve of training camp.
He won another MVP. He withered in another playoff loss.
Out was Davante Adams to the Raiders. In was a trio of rookie wide receivers. Whereas Patrick Mahomes brought all of his new receivers down to Fort Worth, Texas for a crash course on the Chiefs’ offense — he had also lost his No. 1 wideout — Rodgers skipped OTAs. An absence that undeniably delayed the offense’s progress. Age caught up to him. His arm. His legs. When the season began, Rodgers was in obvious decline.
One championship window closed but what nobody on the outside realized was that another championship window was starting to crack open. Amid all the racket, Jordan Love was improving. Drastically. To the point now, where, the Packers appear ready to move on from their future Hall of Famer. Down in Phoenix during Super Bowl Week, Hall of Fame cornerback Charles Woodson said he and fellow Packers teammates knew Rodgers was ready to be the starter the summer of 2008. The rest of the world was in freakout mode — saying “no” to Brett Favre was sacrilegious in this state — but the players on that 13-3 team who had just hosted the NFC Championship Game knew Rodgers was ready replace a legend…
…exactly as many of these 2023 Packers know that Love is ready.
@bvan posted:Every red-blooded competitor in the sport has a breaking point. One humbly accepts their plight for only so long.
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That's not the full article. That's the *intro* to the actual article. The article with all the juicy bits is behind a paywall. You can see some excerpts from it on Dunne's twitter account.
Among them, Love's college coach thinks Love will be better in MLF's system because Rodgers makes it too complicated by calling 4 year old plays that rookies don't know. And one of Love's college teammates thinks he is in fact the next Mahomes.
I would be as giddy as the next school girl if Love's play will be at the level he showed in PHI last season. But we can't just ignore the fact that he wouldn't be the first back up QB, or QB without any length of tape, to have quick early success against legitimate NFL D's. It's after those D's learn his tendencies, weaknesses and strengths that the QB will show whether he's able to adjust and continue to succeed.
I'm more optimistic of that possibility now than when he was meh'ing up the place every time he took snaps. But I can only take the word of others who truly know his play better, that say he is really ready.
@DH13 posted:I'm more optimistic of that possibility now than when he was meh'ing up the place every time he took snaps. But I can only take the word of others who truly know his play better, that say he is really ready.
One thing to note about some of the preseason work is that MLF / Hackett went out of their way to really test young Jordan. A lot of fans wanted to see him string together a series of layups & TDs vs vanilla defenses - and were disappointed when they weren't served a heaping helping of that sweet sundae.
However, what the coaches asked Love to do was go through his progressions and make the tougher throws on each play - that's how you learn what the guy can do. Any QB can take what the defense is giving, they wanted to find out if he could take what he wants.
How do you know how tall you are... if you never get in over your head ?
Per sources, as Allen Lazard approaches free agency, I’m told the #Packers are making an effort to keep the 27-year-old who caught a career-high 60 passes for 788 yards with 6 touchdowns. #NFL
— Matt Lombardo (@MattLombardoNFL) February 22, 2023
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Get him in the fold, for the right deal of course. A team can do worse than him as their #3. His blocking alone makes him valuable.
I like Lazard, but not at north of 9-10 million, which is rumored what he will get. Watson will be your #1. Doubs is going to develop more, could be a James Jones type. And the Packers need a young slot, which Lazard isn't.
I would sooner see GB spend that money on a proven TE in FA. Evan Engram, Dalton Schultz, Josh Oliver type.
@packerboi posted:I like Lazard, but not at north of 9-10 million, which is rumored what he will get. Watson will be your #1. Doubs is going to develop more, could be a James Jones type. And the Packers need a young slot, which Lazard isn't.
I would sooner see GB spend that money on a proven TE in FA. Evan Engram, Dalton Schultz, Josh Oliver type.
I think the Packers need a vet presence on the WR depth chart - and it's tough to find Lazard-level skills on the FA market for less $$. His blocking attributes are more valuable in GB, so perhaps that stifles his FA market in March
There are plenty of Allen Robinson's and a few Sammy Watkins running about, but its pretty slim pickings this year. And there are always several talent-starved teams who can offer more $$
Lazard has fought his ass off to climb into this league and he hasn't gotten paid yet...( $6M in career earnings). OTC puts his 2022 valuation at $10.8 M so that's probably in line with what the market will offer him.
https://overthecap.com/player/allen-lazard/7167
And you can't blame the guy for chasing a check- especially given the violent nature of his WR role ( shorter career).
The Packers can offer a 'competitive" deal - properly structured - if he wants to play 1-2 more seasons in GB. But they will be outbid by cap- rich franchises, so Alan has a choice to make.
One more comment on Mr. Lazard -
I wish I could find the article, but it talked about how NFL teams were migrating towards using a Big Slot instead of the smaller Cobb-type guys for strategic reasons. Packers/Lazard were mentioned
Here's one note I pulled from PackersWire
https://packerswire.usatoday.c...ps-for-allen-lazard/
"Overall, about 60% of Lazard’s receiving yards came from the slot.
From the slot, LaFleur can create mismatches for Lazard and more easily scheme him open than what he can on the boundary. Lazard’s ability as a run-blocker will also be much more evident from there as well. "
Lazard deserves to earn as much money as he can wherever he can find it. I'll root for him all the way (unless vikings or bears, obviously)
In the bring back the band mentality, Lazard, Reed and Tonyan are guys I would like to come back next year.
I heard the Bob McGinn/Tyler Dunn podcast. It sounds like Rodgers pissed in their cornflakes. Reviewed all playoff losses and said claim of Rodgers being GOAT was a crock.
In the Love article Dunn mentions Father Time catching up to Rodgers but neglects to mention his thumb injury or rib injury. Hmmmmm maybe he talks about it later but dude sounds like a hater.
@packerboi posted:I like Lazard, but not at north of 9-10 million, which is rumored what he will get. Watson will be your #1. Doubs is going to develop more, could be a James Jones type. And the Packers need a young slot, which Lazard isn't.
I would sooner see GB spend that money on a proven TE in FA. Evan Engram, Dalton Schultz, Josh Oliver type.
I like Lazard as much as anybody here. He has proved his value to me. I think we have been lucky to have him. We should have a real good #3 receiver to spell Watson and Doubs and fill in IF someone pulls a hammy. I do agree we need to be looking for a young slot especially if Cobb is on his last hurrah tour.
Lazard as a slot has a ring to it but I would like it if we also had a speedster in the wings for that if Cobb leaves.
@Satori posted:One more comment on Mr. Lazard -
I wish I could find the article, but it talked about how NFL teams were migrating towards using a Big Slot instead of the smaller Cobb-type guys for strategic reasons. Packers/Lazard were mentioned
Here's one note I pulled from PackersWire
https://packerswire.usatoday.c...ps-for-allen-lazard/
"Overall, about 60% of Lazard’s receiving yards came from the slot.
From the slot, LaFleur can create mismatches for Lazard and more easily scheme him open than what he can on the boundary. Lazard’s ability as a run-blocker will also be much more evident from there as well. "
Exactly why playing Lazard much like a receiving TE makes sense. He is a fast TE, but a slow WR.
Lazard is also pretty reliable on third downs. Guy has a knack for getting open a yard or two beyond the sticks to keep drives alive. I could see him as a vet presence in the WR room as a guy who can teach the young 'uns knows what it's like to work to get to the NFL and then do the dirty work to be a pro's pro. The idea to use him in the slot as a hybrid TE/WR is a good way to use him. He's not a game-breaker, but he can be a back-breaker.
Lazard seemed to drop a lot of passes at key times.
It looks like the better the team the more dropped passes they had, except Eagles and Packers should switch places on this list.
How did all those teams at the top of the list manage to make the play offs?
There are a few defenses at the top of the list I’m envious of.
maybe even just defensive coordinators I’m envious of
Well, the more passes you throw, the more likely you'll have drops. So I calculated drop %. Drops divided by total pass attempts. Doesn't make us look any better.
| Green Bay Packers | 5.33% |
| New York Giants | 5.19% |
| Buffalo Bills | 5.05% |
| Jacksonville Jaguars | 4.87% |
| Tennessee Titans | 4.82% |
| Miami Dolphins | 4.62% |
| Cleveland Browns | 4.44% |
| San Francisco 49ers | 4.30% |
| Dallas Cowboys | 4.14% |
| Baltimore Ravens | 4.10% |
| Denver Broncos | 4.03% |
| Kansas City Chiefs | 3.99% |
| Cincinnati Bengals | 3.93% |
| Detroit Lions | 3.91% |
| Tampa Bay Buccaneers | 3.86% |
| Indianapolis Colts | 3.81% |
| New Orleans Saints | 3.71% |
| Washington Commanders | 3.61% |
| New England Patriots | 3.52% |
| Los Angeles Chargers | 3.52% |
| Pittsburgh Steelers | 3.50% |
| Chicago Bears | 3.18% |
| Carolina Panthers | 3.06% |
| Minnesota Vikings | 2.98% |
| New York Jets | 2.87% |
| Arizona Cardinals | 2.86% |
| Los Angeles Rams | 2.82% |
| Houston Texans | 2.76% |
| Las Vegas Raiders | 2.73% |
| Philadelphia Eagles | 2.61% |
| Seattle Seahawks | 2.27% |
| Atlanta Falcons | 2.17% |
Drops/catchable balls:
A. Lazard (GB) - 6/68 = 8.8%
D. Adams (LV) - 8/109 = 7.3%
J. Chase (CIN) - 10/99 = 10.1%
D. Samuel (SF) - 9/65 = 13.8%
D. Smith (PHI) - 8/103 = 7.8%
Stats taken from HERE. Draw your own conclusions.
It did feel like Lazard dropped more than usual last season. I would like him back at a decent price as we need to have some experience at the position and if not him, then they will need to be looking at other vets in addition to drafting another 1 or 2 as we basically need about 3 more to go with Watson, Doubs, and Toure.
@13X posted:It did feel like Lazard dropped more than usual last season. I would like him back at a decent price as we need to have some experience at the position and if not him, then they will need to be looking at other vets in addition to drafting another 1 or 2 as we basically need about 3 more to go with Watson, Doubs, and Toure.
The drops he had seemed to come at key times.