@RoyalWulff posted:Thank you for understanding my pain! And this isn’t just about me. What if they cut Valentine after a phone call where Gutey misunderstands that he’s supposed to cut Ballentine?
Just cut whichever one’s birthday it is.
Chris Simms is far less of an ass-hat in the absence of Mike Florio...
Like the "Rodgers model" where AR12 sat behind Brett, this is the "Wyatt model" where you just sit because Joe Barry doesn't know how good you'll be.
@lovepack posted:Like the "Rodgers model" where AR12 sat behind Brett, this is the "Wyatt model" where you just sit because Joe Barry doesn't know how good you'll be.
But it's hard to break into the lineup when you are playing behind a future Hall of Famer like Dean Lowry.
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Packers stock watch: Who’s rising and falling so far in training camp?
Stock up
Sean Rhyan
The 2022 third-round pick played one special teams snap last season, none on offense and was suspended for the final six games of the season after violating the league’s policy on performance-enhancing substances. Fighting for his roster spot this summer, he’s arguably been the most impressive offensive lineman in one-on-ones, according to good friend Bill Huber of Sports Illustrated, who has watched offensive linemen and defensive linemen while I’ve followed pass catchers and defensive backs at the same time. Rhyan handled rookie defensive tackle Colby Wooden and then Devonte Wyatt for two reps on family night after Wyatt spent the first week of camp terrorizing the offensive line.
Devonte Wyatt
Speaking of Wyatt, nobody seems to have made a bigger jump from Year 1 to Year 2 than the 2022 first-round pick. He barely played 20 percent of the defensive snaps as a rookie but is in line for a much bigger role this season alongside Kenny Clark and T.J. Slaton. Wyatt has often been in the backfield during team drills and has picked up right where he left off at the end of his rookie season.
“I think that’s one of those positions that naturally, usually takes a little bit of time, the interior D-line, just to learn some new moves and whatnot,” coach Matt LaFleur said of Wyatt. “But I think more than anything else, the growth for him is he’s got a really good handle on what we’re asking him to do and he’s certainly flashed throughout the course of the practices. What are we, 10 practices that we’ve had thus far? So certainly expect him to continue to build upon that and get better each and every day.”
Sean Clifford
Clifford hasn’t been great, but his stock is rising by default after the Packers released fellow backup quarterback Danny Etling on Sunday. The Packers only have Clifford and 2023 USFL MVP Alex McGough behind Jordan Love now, and you’d think Clifford is the front-runner for the No. 2 job given he’s a fifth-round pick. Clifford has had his moments in camp, too, his best perhaps coming when he led his offensive unit to a touchdown in the two-minute drill Thursday. It was the first time any offensive unit had scored in a two-minute drill.
“He’s done a lot of great things,” LaFleur said of Clifford. “I think he’s got some gamer to him. Even when he hasn’t made the best of decisions, like we saw one the other night, where he threw an interception to Tariq (Carpenter), he’s a pretty resilient guy and he’s able to bounce back, and I think that’s something you can’t coach. Either guys are built that way or they’re not. And I think he’s definitely built the right way, and we’ve got to continue to try to refine some of his mechanics and get him more and more reps because that’s the best way to learn.”
Zach Tom
Tom is going to start. Whether it’s at center or right tackle remains to be seen, but the versatile second-year offensive lineman is one of the best five the Packers have. Last week, Elgton Jenkins called Tom “Mr. Do-It-All,” a title Jenkins owned after what he’s done through his first four years in the league on Green Bay’s offensive line. Jenkins said he has in fact handed over the title to Tom after he played every position but center as a rookie and did so admirably.
Jayden Reed
It seems as if the Packers have found their next true slot receiver. Reed already appears to have cracked the Packers’ top three wideouts alongside Christian Watson and Romeo Doubs. He’s incredibly quick and will probably return punts, too, with Keisean Nixon handling nickel cornerback duties on top of kickoff return responsibilities. Running back AJ Dillon, who has watched the tape of early years Randall Cobb, said Reed’s repertoire, although it’s early, reminds him of prime Cobb. One of the highlights of Monday’s practice came when Love floated a ball to the back of the end zone and, after cornerback Carrington Valentine had a would-be interception deflect off his hands, Reed still came down with the ball and touched both feet down in the back of the end zone with little room to spare.
Luke Musgrave
If the first week and a half of camp is any indication, Musgrave is going to be a problem for opposing defenses in 2023. Perhaps for the first time since prime Jermichael Finley, the Packers have a tight end who can make plays deep downfield in the passing game consistently. Musgrave is big, fast and able to haul in 50-50 balls. It’s clear why the Packers took him in the second round this year based on what he’s done so far.
Stock down
Josh Myers
Tom, the 2022 fourth-round pick, has started taking reps at center with the first-team offense. It’s the position at which general manager Brian Gutekunst liked him best coming out of Wake Forest last year. LaFleur said he wants to see more consistency out of Myers, which is as far as LaFleur will go publicly critiquing a player. Myers had to work out some kinks snapping to Aaron Rodgers and he’s been a part of several botched snaps this summer, though it’s unclear how many are his fault. It certainly doesn’t help the optics of this potential starter change that Myers was taken the pick before Kansas City Chiefs All-Pro center Creed Humphrey.
Shemar Jean-Charles
The 2021 fifth-round pick gets beat more often than any other cornerback in realistic contention for a roster spot. Jean-Charles played 37 defensive snaps as a rookie and only three last season. He played 231 special teams snaps as a rookie and then just 72 last season. He was inactive for just two games as a rookie, his first two, and then inactive for 11 in 2022, including the final 10. The rookie Valentine and 2021 undrafted free agent Kiondre Thomas have played better than Jean-Charles this summer and they’re probably the two guys, along with Jean-Charles, competing for the final two cornerback spots, especially if Eric Stokes comes off the PUP list before roster cutdown day. Valentine even took first-team reps Monday.
Rudy Ford
Ford entered camp as the second starting safety alongside Darnell Savage Jr. Jonathan Owens and Tarvarius Moore are now getting snaps alongside Savage, too, with Owens getting them Monday. Ford played 43 percent of the defensive snaps last season, some at safety because of the head injury to Adrian Amos against the Patriots in Week 4 but most because of Savage’s demotion. The fact Ford isn’t getting all the snaps with the starters in the defensive backfield is at least in part an indication the spot he held last season is anything but secure.
Grant DuBose
The rookie seventh-round receiver was activated off the non-football injury list Monday, but he missed a week and a half of practice while undrafted rookie wide receiver Malik Heath and 2022 seventh-round pick Bo Melton have impressed at the position so far in practice. The best ability is availability, and DuBose has ground to make up on two guys he’s competing with for spots on the bottom of the wideout depth chart.
Interesting that the first (unofficial) depth chart out had Toure ahead of Reed in the slot.
Romeo Doubs in your living room pic.twitter.com/PiOj6Y43dk
— Matt Schneidman (@mattschneidman) August 9, 2023
Rashan Gary practicing again pic.twitter.com/VHHKY2rR6u
— Matt Schneidman (@mattschneidman) August 9, 2023
Nice completion from Love to Doubs pic.twitter.com/6lUk26sN47
— Braydon Allen (@BraydonAllen) August 9, 2023
@ilcuqui posted:Nice completion from Love to Doubs pic.twitter.com/6lUk26sN47
— Braydon Allen (@BraydonAllen) August 9, 2023
Considering how often Love throws behind receivers that had to be a mIsTAke. He got lUcKy.
Defense dominated the Bengals offense today. Bengals couldn’t block either LVN or Kenny Clark, and Carrington Valentine is stilll jumping passes.
Jenkins booted.
https://madison.com/sports/pro...36-c30619505def.html
Sounds like Love is going to get a couple of series tomorrow night.
This. Oh, and that hot piss thing too.
Why I’m GLAD the Packers got into a fight 👇 pic.twitter.com/CDOPe8tLXj
— Pack-A-Day (@PackADayPodcast) August 10, 2023
Perceived softness of the team has been an issue for years.
@michiganjoe posted:Perceived softness of the team has been an issue for years.
See Jets, New York game
Both Salah & Campbell alluded to Packers being soft. Two things said to a football coach that should be taken as an insult; 1) "They weren't prepared" 2) "They aren't tough". It doesn't look like MLF was effected by it, Herman says that practices still have no live tackling.
Wyatt and the Luke Ness monster will change that. Some people will go down and they will go down hard.
@packerboi posted:Behind a paywall from The Athletic
Packers stock watch: Who’s rising and falling so far in training camp?
Stock up
Sean Rhyan
The 2022 third-round pick played one special teams snap last season, none on offense and was suspended for the final six games of the season after violating the league’s policy on performance-enhancing substances. Fighting for his roster spot this summer, he’s arguably been the most impressive offensive lineman in one-on-ones, according to good friend Bill Huber of Sports Illustrated, who has watched offensive linemen and defensive linemen while I’ve followed pass catchers and defensive backs at the same time. Rhyan handled rookie defensive tackle Colby Wooden and then Devonte Wyatt for two reps on family night after Wyatt spent the first week of camp terrorizing the offensive line.
Devonte Wyatt
Speaking of Wyatt, nobody seems to have made a bigger jump from Year 1 to Year 2 than the 2022 first-round pick. He barely played 20 percent of the defensive snaps as a rookie but is in line for a much bigger role this season alongside Kenny Clark and T.J. Slaton. Wyatt has often been in the backfield during team drills and has picked up right where he left off at the end of his rookie season.
“I think that’s one of those positions that naturally, usually takes a little bit of time, the interior D-line, just to learn some new moves and whatnot,” coach Matt LaFleur said of Wyatt. “But I think more than anything else, the growth for him is he’s got a really good handle on what we’re asking him to do and he’s certainly flashed throughout the course of the practices. What are we, 10 practices that we’ve had thus far? So certainly expect him to continue to build upon that and get better each and every day.”
Sean Clifford
Clifford hasn’t been great, but his stock is rising by default after the Packers released fellow backup quarterback Danny Etling on Sunday. The Packers only have Clifford and 2023 USFL MVP Alex McGough behind Jordan Love now, and you’d think Clifford is the front-runner for the No. 2 job given he’s a fifth-round pick. Clifford has had his moments in camp, too, his best perhaps coming when he led his offensive unit to a touchdown in the two-minute drill Thursday. It was the first time any offensive unit had scored in a two-minute drill.
“He’s done a lot of great things,” LaFleur said of Clifford. “I think he’s got some gamer to him. Even when he hasn’t made the best of decisions, like we saw one the other night, where he threw an interception to Tariq (Carpenter), he’s a pretty resilient guy and he’s able to bounce back, and I think that’s something you can’t coach. Either guys are built that way or they’re not. And I think he’s definitely built the right way, and we’ve got to continue to try to refine some of his mechanics and get him more and more reps because that’s the best way to learn.”
Zach Tom
Tom is going to start. Whether it’s at center or right tackle remains to be seen, but the versatile second-year offensive lineman is one of the best five the Packers have. Last week, Elgton Jenkins called Tom “Mr. Do-It-All,” a title Jenkins owned after what he’s done through his first four years in the league on Green Bay’s offensive line. Jenkins said he has in fact handed over the title to Tom after he played every position but center as a rookie and did so admirably.
Jayden Reed
It seems as if the Packers have found their next true slot receiver. Reed already appears to have cracked the Packers’ top three wideouts alongside Christian Watson and Romeo Doubs. He’s incredibly quick and will probably return punts, too, with Keisean Nixon handling nickel cornerback duties on top of kickoff return responsibilities. Running back AJ Dillon, who has watched the tape of early years Randall Cobb, said Reed’s repertoire, although it’s early, reminds him of prime Cobb. One of the highlights of Monday’s practice came when Love floated a ball to the back of the end zone and, after cornerback Carrington Valentine had a would-be interception deflect off his hands, Reed still came down with the ball and touched both feet down in the back of the end zone with little room to spare.
Luke Musgrave
If the first week and a half of camp is any indication, Musgrave is going to be a problem for opposing defenses in 2023. Perhaps for the first time since prime Jermichael Finley, the Packers have a tight end who can make plays deep downfield in the passing game consistently. Musgrave is big, fast and able to haul in 50-50 balls. It’s clear why the Packers took him in the second round this year based on what he’s done so far.
Stock down
Josh Myers
Tom, the 2022 fourth-round pick, has started taking reps at center with the first-team offense. It’s the position at which general manager Brian Gutekunst liked him best coming out of Wake Forest last year. LaFleur said he wants to see more consistency out of Myers, which is as far as LaFleur will go publicly critiquing a player. Myers had to work out some kinks snapping to Aaron Rodgers and he’s been a part of several botched snaps this summer, though it’s unclear how many are his fault. It certainly doesn’t help the optics of this potential starter change that Myers was taken the pick before Kansas City Chiefs All-Pro center Creed Humphrey.
Shemar Jean-Charles
The 2021 fifth-round pick gets beat more often than any other cornerback in realistic contention for a roster spot. Jean-Charles played 37 defensive snaps as a rookie and only three last season. He played 231 special teams snaps as a rookie and then just 72 last season. He was inactive for just two games as a rookie, his first two, and then inactive for 11 in 2022, including the final 10. The rookie Valentine and 2021 undrafted free agent Kiondre Thomas have played better than Jean-Charles this summer and they’re probably the two guys, along with Jean-Charles, competing for the final two cornerback spots, especially if Eric Stokes comes off the PUP list before roster cutdown day. Valentine even took first-team reps Monday.
Rudy Ford
Ford entered camp as the second starting safety alongside Darnell Savage Jr. Jonathan Owens and Tarvarius Moore are now getting snaps alongside Savage, too, with Owens getting them Monday. Ford played 43 percent of the defensive snaps last season, some at safety because of the head injury to Adrian Amos against the Patriots in Week 4 but most because of Savage’s demotion. The fact Ford isn’t getting all the snaps with the starters in the defensive backfield is at least in part an indication the spot he held last season is anything but secure.
Grant DuBose
The rookie seventh-round receiver was activated off the non-football injury list Monday, but he missed a week and a half of practice while undrafted rookie wide receiver Malik Heath and 2022 seventh-round pick Bo Melton have impressed at the position so far in practice. The best ability is availability, and DuBose has ground to make up on two guys he’s competing with for spots on the bottom of the wideout depth chart.
I think Clifford is going to be the Rodney Dangerfield of the GBP. No Respect. He'll be fine for us. How did Rudy Ford get downgraded? He'll start at Safety, with Savage. If anything, Savage should have been the one getting downgraded. 7th Round pick, Grant DuBose, WR, is not getting much respect, either. He just got on the field after having an injury. Give him a break! His tape, that I saw, showed him making several contested catches on under-thrown balls. I think he will start out on the PS but eventually will be on the 53, at some point. I have a feeling he could become Reed 2.0, on the contested catches part of his skill set.
MLF presser today:
OL Luke Tenuta (ankle) is the longest-term injury from Friday night (other than TE Tyler Davis' season-ending knee injury).
Rashan Gary has not yet been cleared for team drills in practice and that might not happen this week. Nothing out of the ordinary, just easing him back in.
"We've got a ways to go" before settling on the starting offensive line, LaFleur says.
LaFleur said that the personnel department will keep an eye on tight ends available after losing Tyler Davis for the season with a knee injury.
LaFleur after watching the film on Jordan Love's preseason debut: "He looked confident. Looked like he was in total control. It's a good first step for him."
LaFleur liked Sean Clifford's response to INTs on Friday night. He said neither was entirely his fault because of pressure on 1st, Tucker Kraft needing to attack football better on 2nd. "He's a competitive dude. It's not a secret why he had so much success at Penn State."
@ilcuqui posted:LaFleur liked Sean Clifford's response to INTs on Friday night. He said neither was entirely his fault because of pressure on 1st, Tucker Kraft needing to attack football better on 2nd. "He's a competitive dude. It's not a secret why he had so much success at Penn State."
This leaves out a little bit. MLF said Clifford shouldn't have thrown the ball on the first INT and just taken the sack. On the 2nd INT, he said Clifford made the wrong read.
This of course is always why these games are so hard to grade. We have no idea what was called or what the expectation was supposed to be. This includes positive plays. After the game, Wilson said on his long TD run "I knew I had better score a TD on that play or I was going to be chewed out for bouncing to the outside".
I often wonder how many plays in these preseason games are actually run as they are supposed to, good or bad.
Interesting. Bakhtiari not practicing today, no surprise. But Rasheed Walker is indeed lining up next to Jenkins as #Packers LT/LG combo in 11-on-11. That had been Yosh Nijman’s spot until today.
@ilcuqui posted:Interesting. Bakhtiari not practicing today, no surprise. But Rasheed Walker is indeed lining up next to Jenkins as #Packers LT/LG combo in 11-on-11. That had been Yosh Nijman’s spot until today.
I like what I've been hearing about him from camp.
@ilcuqui posted:Interesting. Bakhtiari not practicing today, no surprise. But Rasheed Walker is indeed lining up next to Jenkins as #Packers LT/LG combo in 11-on-11. That had been Yosh Nijman’s spot until today.
If Tom ends up at Center, Nijman will be starting at RT so they need someone there.
Uh oh, Anders Carlson just missed another PAT wide right. Missed two of those Friday at Cincy.
— Rob Demovsky (@RobDemovsky) August 14, 2023
But was good on FGs from 41 & 44.
Gutey, "Hello, Mason, whatcha doing for the next 6 months?"
Go with the young kicker. It will pay dividends later in the year and beyond when he starts to get it...unless you think we can win the Super Bowl?
How many games are you willing to lose by 1 or 3 points?
I think you've got to go with the young kicker this year. There's no Superb Owl on the horizon for this season, and you can't count on Mason forever. Anders may still be feeling a few effects from the past two shortened seasons (ACL, fractured humerus). As long as he improves over the course of the year, let's see what he's got.
@michiganjoe posted:Uh oh, Anders Carlson just missed another PAT wide right. Missed two of those Friday at Cincy.
— Rob Demovsky (@RobDemovsky) August 14, 2023
But was good on FGs from 41 & 44.
Far sighted?
I'm too lazy to look it up but I thought I read that Mason was similar as a prospect coming out of college. Inconsistent accuracy but a huge leg. I don't recall Mason's performance early in his career.
I want a kicker. If we put newb on the pine for a year to figure it out - I am ok with that, the whole psyche of this team would be destroyed if they lost games by 1 pt and a missed extra point...that would be terrible. sign mason and stop this nonsense.
