Admit you were wrong (But at least you know who Red Green is)

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This Packers team would get stomped by either the 96 or 97 editions of the Packers.

Which WR would catch any passes vs these three CB's?

Which lineman would block Matthews and Raji and Jenkins?

Tyrone Williams would get burnt vs any 4 of the Packer WR's.

Diggr, are you admitting you're wrong? It's the only reason for you to post in this thread.

the guy that owns my favorite hamburger joint here in Lakeland admitted he was wrong. He had photos of the Packers up until the divorce. He always wore his Packer hat to cook. When the divorce happened he started wearing a Jets hat. That turned into a Viking hat even through mid-season of this past year. (last time I went in) I went there Friday night just to see what he was wearing. And he proudly wore his Packer hat. He finally admitted the Packers were right. And the Burgers were the best they have been in three years. Looks like all the prodicals are coming home....

Stopped at my favorite pizza joint the other night to pick up a pie. The owner Geno was in there. (Geno ought to be teaching a college course on customer service and business personality.) When he saw me in my Packer jacket he broke into a grin and then a sad smile. He remembered telling me the day before the eagles playoff game the Pack would lose. He told me the pie was on him (we did not have a bet) slapped me on the back, told me he was wrong, and offered his congratulations. All the while smiling and joking.

BTW he is too nice of a guy to be a Philly fan, maybe that is why he left Philly.

@ Floridarob:

Not suprising.

Quitters can say/do what they want, but in the back of their minds they'll know that they did (quit).

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Originally posted by oldnavy:
Stopped at my favorite pizza joint the other night to pick up a pie. The owner Geno was in there. (Geno ought to be teaching a college course on customer service and business personality.) When he saw me in my Packer jacket he broke into a grin and then a sad smile. He remembered telling me the day before the eagles playoff game the Pack would lose. He told me the pie was on him (we did not have a bet) slapped me on the back, told me he was wrong, and offered his congratulations. All the while smiling and joking.

BTW he is too nice of a guy to be a Philly fan, maybe that is why he left Philly.

Similar story:

One of my favorite pizza spots is owned/run by a Giants fan from the Bronx named Sal. I didn't get a free pie, but he bought me a shot of Crown and a beer after the Giants game while I was waiting for my 'za.

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Originally posted by Diggr14:

In my opinion Ted has done a good job with personnel this season, but overall I would rather have more of an aggressive GM, who looks to creativity (ie: Ron Wolf).

You will change your mind over the next five years. This team is built for the long haul. And will get better yet.

No he won't, but at least between now, then and at every point in between high comedy is still going to be on the way.

I've completely 180'ed on Diggy since he got past his issues here, and it needs to be acknowledged openly. Are there any funnier posts from anyone other than Diggy right here, right now? Not on your life. I love this guy!!!



Viva, Diggy!!!

but how can you be so confident in a GM who barely got you into the playoffs this season (Thanks for choking NYG) and a guy who is inconsistent at best (he didnt make the pro bowl for a reason - or was it because enough of you scholars weren't voters?)..
I like Uncle Ted because he hired a solid head coach who has hired good assistant coaches for the most part. When Uncle Ted lost a boatload of players he had a system with coaches that could get young players to fill the gaps by the end of the season. A few bumps along the way but once the injuries slowed the team got better each week. And yes we barely got in but the Giants didn't choke we beat them badly.

As for BJ he didn't get in partly because a guy named Suh played incredibly. Raji played with different players for most of the season being asked to eat blockers rather than freelance to pad his stats but that didn't win him a Pro Bowl vote that he surely deserved. So go win a Super Bowl.

Now either be a man and admit you shot you mouth off or go away.

FYI, no one will miss you.

The essence of diggr.

diggr is probably referring to the Giant's choke against the Eagles.

I thought MM/TT should have been fired after that "Tampa Debacle" last year.

Dum

Nice RonJr. Way to man up!

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Originally posted by ammo:

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Originally posted by Diggr14:

In my opinion Ted has done a good job with personnel this season, but overall I would rather have more of an aggressive GM, who looks to creativity (ie: Ron Wolf).

You will change your mind over the next five years. This team is built for the long haul. And will get better yet.

I really don't think I will Ammo. Ron Wolf >>>>>> Ted Thompson.

Would Ted Thompson trade a 1st round pick for a 3rd string QB - who eventually turned into a lock 1st round HOFer. No. Thompson has a hard time trading a 4th round pick for guys who will make an impact in the current season. We are a good team and yes he needs to be given credit for picking several impact players such as Rodgers, Jennings, Matthews.... and more. However, I think we've missed out on at least 1 other superbowl over this time period. He is over .500 for this time period, and has 1 division title. If we win the superbowl on sunday it will be huge for Ted, the city, and every Packer fan around.. but sometimes even as a 6 seed it just is your time to get hot. There are several boneheaded GMs to have won superbowls in the past. I'm not saying TT is a bonehead, but I am saying 1 appearence doesn't make the guy affirmed as being a top tier GM like this franchise deserves. The end of the season has truly been a perfect storm for our team. You'd be correct that I'd feel Thompson was "elite" if I saw a 14-2 season or two and a superbowl or two to boot. Just like I doubt anyone here thought that the Giants had an elite GM in 2008.... I really don't think we do either.

the hits just keep a-coming. No one less than Ron Wolf himself said that FA has changed the game so much that he wouldn't want to be a GM now. You're clinging to false premises and an apples/oranges "argument" while keeping your blinders perfectly in place.

but you are entitled to your opinion even if it strikes me as completely backasswards and misguided.

How quickly we all forget the legacy left by that lock 1st time HOFer.

http://packersnews.greenbaypre...lities-Holmgren-says

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I thought we had the best front office in football, and I’m not talking about me,” Holmgren said recently. “I’m talking about those guys, because they were running the business part of it and the personnel part of it. It was too bad. Now, I’m happy for (Thompson), he’s one of the good guys in the world. But it doesn’t surprise me at all (that the Packers are going to the Super Bowl). He’s really good at this. The thing with Ted, to get him to just talk is a major challenge. He will not blow his own horn for sure, he’s not a self promoter, (but) he’s good at what he does. “

Diggr is a textbook example of someone who was never taught or never learned the first rule of holes.

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Originally posted by Diggr14:
However, I think we've missed out on at least 1 other superbowl over this time period. He is over .500 for this time period, and has 1 division title. If we win the superbowl on sunday it will be huge for Ted, the city, and every Packer fan around.. but sometimes even as a 6 seed it just is your time to get hot. There are several boneheaded GMs to have won superbowls in the past. I'm not saying TT is a bonehead, but I am saying 1 appearence doesn't make the guy affirmed as being a top tier GM like this franchise deserves.

Next thing you'll say is TT threw the INT that cost us that Super Bowl trip you mnetioned.

And you don't need to be Wily E. Coyote to see what this team has done with all the injuries this year. A guess a win Sunday won't be so big for you tho.

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Originally posted by Diggr14:
Would Ted Thompson trade a 1st round pick for a 3rd string QB - who eventually turned into a lock 1st round HOFer.

No, but Pete Carroll traded a 2nd and a 3rd for a 3rd string QB. Guess Wolf and Carroll are on the same level.

Diggr, I just don't get how you haven't accepted this team yet. They're in the Super Bowl with 15 guys on IR and an average age of 27 years old. No, TT is not Ron Wolf. We get that. But in 2010, there is no other GM I'd want running running my team. TT is not competing against Wolf. Just like Rodgers is not competing against Favre. They're competing against the 31 other teams that are trying to win a championship.

As for the Raji thing, whatever floats your boat. Pretty much everything I've heard/read has stated Raji is already very good and likely on his way to being great. If you disagree, fine.

There's a pretty good case to be made that TT's had better results in the draft than Wolf did, particularly in the early rounds.

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Originally posted by Diggr14:
Would Ted Thompson trade a 1st round pick for a 3rd string QB - who eventually turned into a lock 1st round HOFer. No.

How many teams were negotiating with Atlanta to make that deal besides the Packers and Ron Wolf?

Yeah, if Favre doesn't have Holmgren, Wolf would've looked the fool.

Would Wolf have traded a 2nd, two 3rd's for a first year started at USC? Nope.

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You'd be correct that I'd feel Thompson was "elite" if I saw a 14-2 season or two

I was trying to find these two on Wolf's resume.

Denny Green had one of those seasons. He must be elite too.

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The Anti-Ted Thompson. Doug Melvin going for a World Series! Grienke and Marcum to the Crew!

This is what makes reading Diggr's post about TT so hard to comprehend. Apparantly Diggr you are interested in winning a championship and anything short of that is failure, but you change the rules when it comes to TT and it seems to stem from your own personal distaste and not really what is best for the Green Bay Packer organization. Thompson is arguablly the best GM in football today and you continue to want to run him out of town because he is not as aggresive as you want him to be. Thompson has produced and the fact that this team is playing in the Super Bowl this year is a great accomplishment, forget all the injuries, it is a huge accomplishment for a healthy team. I would also argue that the most aggresive moves made by any GM in the past 10 years were by TT, the most agressive being the trade of TOG and doing it in knowing it may cost your job but also knowing it was what was best for the Packers, the other move being the trade up for Matthews.

He also had to know that the Diggr's of the fanbase were going to get their panties in a bundle. But TT knew he had to do what was best for the team.

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Originally posted by RonJr:
I thought MM/TT should have been fired after that "Tampa Debacle" last year.

Dum

Me too. I really thought they were done after that. They just happened to be playing a legit QB on Tampa at that time in his first start. Had Freeman started from the beginning of the year they probably would have won a few games by then. Since that debacle the Packers are 20-8, pretty damn good.

There were a lot of people in that thread who wanted them both gone, or at the very least McCarthy.

Crowhead, diggy is a raging homophobe who wants TT gone because he thinks he's gay. It's as simple as that.

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Originally posted by Diggr14:
Ron Wolf >>>>>> Ted Thompson.

Would Ted Thompson trade a 1st round pick for a 3rd string QB

Wow, they haven't fired him? Ingenious take!!!
Favre, Favre, Favre....

I don't care home many Super Bowls this TT wins. If he didn't do it with Favre he ain't no good.

Diggy is so deep in the closet it's not even funny. His hardon or Favre cracks me up.

TT >>> Wolf.

TT >>>>>>> Doug Melvin.

Wolf had a great run in the mid 90s'. Bow down to that Ron Wolf. Then his drafting went into the toilet. Aging players retired, others moved on via free agency and there was nothing left to replace them. The Packers went from back to back Super Bowls to one and done in the wildcard to irrelevant.

Then he makes a terrible hire in Rhodes, erases that mistake with Sherman and then erases that by making an idiotic recommendation to give Sherman total control of the organization. Brilliant. Thanks for the mid 90's, Wolf. Otherwise, go pound sand.

This will not happen on TT's watch, I can guarantee that. Key players will be kept around and the rest will be replaced with football players.

And if I'm wrong, which I'm not, I'll admit it on this very topic.

I wonder what Wolfs legacy would be if we only kept score after the Denver Super Bowl. And Diggr wants to crucify TTs reign before he finishes his first. Ted has this team built for the long haul. The future is extremely bright. A great head coach that does not have the power ambition of a Holmgren. A great staff of assistants. A GM that gets it regardless of how many Diggrs criticize him.

I was one of the ones that wanted Ted to be more agressive in free agency and trades but after getting the Packers to the championship game in his third year, I realized he is a lot smarter than I am when it comes to making decisions. There is not just one way to build a Super Bowl team and the path TT has taken might be differnt but apparently no less effective. And with better long term potential. As far as being agressive in free agency I would think free agents Sam Shields and Tramon Williams have had far more possitive impact on the team than any veteran free agent he could have signed.

I am already pumped for next year with a new draft class and the injured players coming back. Get off of Ted Thompsons back. He might not make all the decisions we would like him to make but the ramifications of his decisions has this team in the Super Bowl. Who can argue with that????

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Would Ted Thompson trade a 1st round pick for a 3rd string QB

Anytime someone's assessment is based on whether or not the guy would have pulled the trigger on a single transaction, rather than sitting back and trying to look at the whole body of work...

It's like saying you are defeated and you know it.

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Originally posted by Diggr14:
Would Ted Thompson trade a 1st round pick for a 3rd string QB - who eventually turned into a lock 1st round HOFer. No.

Conjecture based on fitting your narrative. He drafted an elite QB with a 1st round draft pick.

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Thompson has a hard time trading a 4th round pick for guys who will make an impact in the current season.

Oh please, do tell what player that would have made an impact on the current (Super Bowl appearance I might add) season for a 4th round pick. Please, love to hear this.

Oh, and a single 4th round pick at the bottom of round 4 would not have acquired Marshawn Lynch.

So, who are you talking about?

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We are a good team

Breaking news everyone. "good" teams go on the road and knock off the 1, 2, and 3 seeds and make the Super Bowl. Not great teams, not very good teams. But "good" teams.

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However, I think we've missed out on at least 1 other superbowl over this time period.

Yes. I forgot about this. Thompson throwing that horrific pick vs the Giants at home cost this team a Super Bowl.

Oh wait, he doesn't play. That was Favre that cost us a Super Bowl. Oh well, easier to blame that on Thompson than your hero.

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He is over .500 for this time period, and has 1 division title.

1 Superbowl, 2 NFCC, 1 division title.

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If we win the superbowl on sunday it will be huge for every Packer fan around..

Except those that have to qualify a Super Bowl win with nonsense like "they just got hot" or it was a "perfect storm". But, no one is that stupid.

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but sometimes even as a 6 seed it just is your time to get hot. There are several boneheaded GMs to have won superbowls in the past. I'm not saying TT is a bonehead, but I am saying 1 appearence doesn't make the guy affirmed as being a top tier GM like this franchise deserves. The end of the season has truly been a perfect storm for our team. You'd be correct that I'd feel Thompson was "elite" if I saw a 14-2 season or two and a superbowl or two to boot. Just like I doubt anyone here thought that the Giants had an elite GM in 2008.... I really don't think we do either.

Never mind

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Originally posted by PackerHawk:
TT >>> Wolf.

TT >>>>>>> Doug Melvin.

Wolf had a great run in the mid 90s'. Bow down to that Ron Wolf. Then his drafting went into the toilet. Aging players retired, others moved on via free agency and there was nothing left to replace them. The Packers went from back to back Super Bowls to one and done in the wildcard to irrelevant.

Then he makes a terrible hire in Rhodes, erases that mistake with Sherman and then erases that by making an idiotic recommendation to give Sherman total control of the organization. Brilliant. Thanks for the mid 90's, Wolf. Otherwise, go pound sand.

This will not happen on TT's watch, I can guarantee that. Key players will be kept around and the rest will be replaced with football players.

And if I'm wrong, which I'm not, I'll admit it on this very topic.

I had no idea people from Iowa were this smert.

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Originally posted by PackerHawk:
TT >>> Wolf.

A whole new level of dum.


Ted is just starting to scrape into the above average territory as a GM. I'll pretend you actually thought this out, but I know you didnt.

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Originally posted by Diggr14:

A whole new level of dum.

Can't even spell the word.

My opinion is: TT ≥ RW. I believe that opinion will grow into TT >>> RW in a couple of years, with the benefit of hindsight. This team sure looks stacked right now, perfect storm my ass.

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Originally posted by Diggr14:

A whole new level of dum.
Ted is just starting to scrape into the above average territory as a GM. I'll pretend you actually thought this out, but I know you didnt.

Ask Holmgren and Wolf about that.

Clown shoes (as usual).

looks like diggy and the gang. Can someone caption who the rest of the crew is.....