Maybe so, but at least we know he is alive and well.
That was one hell of a coma, Diggr.
I figured my posts would incite riots on x4, so i refrained during the playoffs. Really good run, everyone is stepping up.. including my proverbial whipping boys Raji and Nelson.
Great play down the stretch here.. from many parties.
Great play down the stretch here.. from many parties.
quote:I figured my posts would incite riots on x4,
Still a legend in your own mind I see.
quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
I definitely didnt think McCarthy and Thompson had the mettle to make a superbowl. They still have many flaws IMO, but definitely raise a glass to them on a job well done - win or not.
From a football perspective I find this to be a really ridiculous comment. They are human, well McCarthy is at least, of course they have flaws. From a football perspective their flaws got this team to the NFC-C game twice in 5 years and now on to the Super Bowl. Name a GM or Coach in the NFL that does not have flaws…
I was wrong.
I thought TT had to being in more experienced FA. I didn't think anyone could fill a roster with mostly draft choices and street FA and get a team to the Super Bowl. Well, stupid me. I don't care if its unbelievable football savy or just luck...it doesn't matter. TT built a TEAM that not only got to the Super Bowl but got there through a season with an unbelievable amount of injuries.
A lot of credit also has to go to the coaching staff that TT assembled.
If the SuperBowl is the reward for me being wrong, I will volunteer to be wrong a lot more often (if that is possible)
I thought TT had to being in more experienced FA. I didn't think anyone could fill a roster with mostly draft choices and street FA and get a team to the Super Bowl. Well, stupid me. I don't care if its unbelievable football savy or just luck...it doesn't matter. TT built a TEAM that not only got to the Super Bowl but got there through a season with an unbelievable amount of injuries.
A lot of credit also has to go to the coaching staff that TT assembled.
If the SuperBowl is the reward for me being wrong, I will volunteer to be wrong a lot more often (if that is possible)
quote:I figured my posts would incite riots on x4, so i refrained during the playoffs.
First it is large of you to show up with the achievements of some of your largest targets, Raji, Nelson, MM, and last, Uncle Ted. Nobody expects you to make a full recovery from your wayward thinking and we truly appreciate you allowing us a moment of clarity the prior 2 weeks.
Enjoy the ride Diggr, you deserve it too.
One question Diggs, what do you thinking about Uncle Ted signing a 'Guy' like Shields after 52 DB's were drafted? Jeenyous? Feel free to answer in the Sam Shields thread.
I thought Charlie Peprah was only going to be a slight upgrade over guys like Derrick Martin, but he has played surprisingly well. He's gotten lucky some (like that deep pass to Hester on the Bears first drive), but overall he's been good enough!
I thought Tim Masthay was going to be a flop. Never been happier to be proven wrong! That kid has played as well as any Punter in the NFL during the playoffs!
I thought Tim Masthay was going to be a flop. Never been happier to be proven wrong! That kid has played as well as any Punter in the NFL during the playoffs!
I thought Shields had a lot of potential, but I also thought Dan Comper would stop trying to tweak Kampy's YAC and spend that time trying to cover Shields up while he worked towards reaching that potential. I cannot believe how good Shields has become within one season. Sacks, forced fumbles and INT's on Sunday, both of which were huge picks. He's like a budding baby Woodson with the way he plays. He's made at least one huge play in every game recently it seems, and it's at the point where other teams are going to have to start accounting for Shields much like Woody, Tramon, CMIII, Raji, Jenkins, etc.
I'd say Shields in 2010 over Bush in 2009 is about as big an upgrade as possible. I was wrong about how good he would be this year by a long shot.
I'd say Shields in 2010 over Bush in 2009 is about as big an upgrade as possible. I was wrong about how good he would be this year by a long shot.
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quote:Originally posted by JJSD:
I'd say Shields in 2010 over Bush in 2009 is about as big an upgrade as possible. I was wrong about how good he would be this year by a long shot.
Well, actually Tramon Williams was the nickle back last year until Harris got hurt.
If Williams would have gotten hurt this year Shields would be the starter and Bush would be the nickle, same as last year.
OK, so I change my take to 'over Bush in the second half of 09'. I was Rong. Either way, Shields is on the field now when Bush would have been last year. Bush would still get on the field now since Patricia Lee and Underpants have been busts.
quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
I figured my posts would incite riots on x4, so i refrained during the playoffs.
You hid under the livingroom table so as not to incite a riot. You are a great American. Let me wipe that drool off your chin.
quote:That kid has played as well as any Punter in the NFL during the playoffs!
I think he's played as well as any punter, ever. Ever! Who'd have believed that Mastay and company would end up totally shutting down Devin Hester twice and DeSean Jackson once during this 5 game stretch.
quote:Originally posted by RatPack:quote:I figured my posts would incite riots on x4, so i refrained during the playoffs.
First it is large of you to show up with the achievements of some of your largest targets, Raji, Nelson, MM, and last, Uncle Ted. Nobody expects you to make a full recovery from your wayward thinking and we truly appreciate you allowing us a moment of clarity the prior 2 weeks.
Enjoy the ride Diggr, you deserve it too.
One question Diggs, what do you thinking about Uncle Ted signing a 'Guy' like Shields after 52 DB's were drafted? Jeenyous? Feel free to answer in the Sam Shields thread.
Ted did a good job identifying Sam Shields. There are several other players that fit in well coming basically off the street. Ironically, I did not feel McCarthy was a big game coach at all, and his record in close games suggests that he isn't, however this team has found something to unite around. They have great leaders on the defensive side of the ball. Dom Capers is probably the best coordinator in the league (either side of the ball). Coaches that can pick guys like this and keep them on their staff should get big bonus points. McCarthy deserves credit here for sure for allowing the defense to grow into their own and be a tough minded group who will not fold. Like Reggie White, Charles Woodson seems to be the modern day savant of inspiration to players who are looking to play inspired ball. You can tell that he has a huge impact on the team. Almost everyone on the defensive side of the ball is having a career year performance wise (maybe not statistically). This team also benefits from having the best QB in the league and a refreshing young leader on the offensive side of the ball in AR-12. Remember the questions about his durability and toughness.... boy was that off.
quote:Originally posted by Goalline:quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
I figured my posts would incite riots on x4, so i refrained during the playoffs.
You hid under the livingroom table so as not to incite a riot. You are a great American. Let me wipe that drool off your chin.
That isn't true at all. You know im around. I have no problem admitting im wrong, however, i see (saw) things in a little different light as you. I am tremendously happy with the outcome of the season. But remember, this season was almost lost... thank NYG for choking away the game to Philly. We are definitely the best team in the NFC right now (we are scalding hot).. but this season was a fingernail from becoming a total loss.
Good Morning Diggr,
So am I reading you really like Dom Capers as a DC and AR-12 is the best QB in the league and a refreshing young leader on the offensive side. I agree MM should get credit for bringing in Capers and I also would give him some credit for AR-12 being a good NFL QB. Are there any other areas of the team you like?
Finley? His coach? WR's? DB's? You seemed to think Shields was okay although you were a little vague. Defense? Punter? How about long snapper?
And I do agree with you that we were a finger nail away from being on the outside. Having all those young players and injuries is a two edged sword. When you lose a Grant, Finley, or Barnett you have to coach up a kid and that takes patience. When AR-12 went down MM never blinked and damn near won at a red hot NE with a kid QB albeit a loss is a loss.
Have a nice day
I'm off to the beaches and another day of eating and drinking
So am I reading you really like Dom Capers as a DC and AR-12 is the best QB in the league and a refreshing young leader on the offensive side. I agree MM should get credit for bringing in Capers and I also would give him some credit for AR-12 being a good NFL QB. Are there any other areas of the team you like?
Finley? His coach? WR's? DB's? You seemed to think Shields was okay although you were a little vague. Defense? Punter? How about long snapper?
And I do agree with you that we were a finger nail away from being on the outside. Having all those young players and injuries is a two edged sword. When you lose a Grant, Finley, or Barnett you have to coach up a kid and that takes patience. When AR-12 went down MM never blinked and damn near won at a red hot NE with a kid QB albeit a loss is a loss.
Have a nice day
I'm off to the beaches and another day of eating and drinking
Say, Diggr,
Everyone here knows that I get under the skin of folks here just as you do. Everyone here also knows that my temperament is a lot more forgiving toward the doom and gloomers. I also enjoy participating with you in the Buck's forum and respect your basketball knowledge. I say this for a reason.
I am about to skewer you!
And given the above context, I hope you can consider me an unbiased voice of some level of reason.
All the above being said, I am going to reduce this to just a couple of points.
1. BJ Raji
2. Ted Thompson
On both of these points, were you to admit being wrong to a magnitude that is as extreme as is possible, you would be truthful. The converse is also true. You are as blind as a bat if you do not see the truth of Raji and TT.
Thompson needs no dissection. No high level of detail. This team, with its extraordinary number of injuries, made the SB via a very difficult path. It was never behind by more than 7 points. In this era of FA, the depth on this team, as well as the starting talent level, pretty much requires Thompson to be listed with the finest GM's in the business - PERIOD.
Onto Raji. The dude is playing at a pro bowl level. If you do not see it, well, you do not see it. But, if you don't, you do not know football.
Dude! Fess up! Eat your crow!
Everyone here knows that I get under the skin of folks here just as you do. Everyone here also knows that my temperament is a lot more forgiving toward the doom and gloomers. I also enjoy participating with you in the Buck's forum and respect your basketball knowledge. I say this for a reason.
I am about to skewer you!
And given the above context, I hope you can consider me an unbiased voice of some level of reason.
All the above being said, I am going to reduce this to just a couple of points.
1. BJ Raji
2. Ted Thompson
On both of these points, were you to admit being wrong to a magnitude that is as extreme as is possible, you would be truthful. The converse is also true. You are as blind as a bat if you do not see the truth of Raji and TT.
Thompson needs no dissection. No high level of detail. This team, with its extraordinary number of injuries, made the SB via a very difficult path. It was never behind by more than 7 points. In this era of FA, the depth on this team, as well as the starting talent level, pretty much requires Thompson to be listed with the finest GM's in the business - PERIOD.
Onto Raji. The dude is playing at a pro bowl level. If you do not see it, well, you do not see it. But, if you don't, you do not know football.
Dude! Fess up! Eat your crow!
I'm with Diggr. That this team didn't go undefeated is unacceptable and proof of TT's many flaws.
I was wrong about empty backfield formations. For McCarthy's first couple of years, it drove me nuts that the Packers would use an empty backfield on first and ten. Now it seems like they execute it so well that I feel confident something good will happen when they line up with it.
quote:Originally posted by Boris:
haters
You are just mad, because we have all the answers and you have to rely on the white headed fella.
Goalline.
You know im not going to back off on the Raji analysis. Thompson gets a good deal of credit for this season, but again, it's almost the perfect storm for himm. Here's why. Raji really has made his stamp on the defensive side of the ball the last few games of the season and into the playoffs. While this is well and good, he really did play some uninspired ball at times and he was the anchor of a defensive line that was abused on the ground during the season. What he has done lately is a testament of how good he could be, but until he plays at the level he is currently playing consistently, I wont be a true believer in him.
Thompson has done a good job this season as I said above. But player development in this case is much bigger than him. Coaching and other players have a big impact on player development. With the injuries they have had they have managed to find a semblance of chemistry with all of the street guys that have been brought in. The Packers got hot at the right time and with an interesting combination of players of which some are backups and some even street guys. Is this lucky? perhaps... but I think it's a testament to how impactful guys like Charles Woodson are to this team. Guys look at guys like Charles (heck even Nick Collins) and emulate their work ethic and attitude. Couple that with great defensive strategy and the emergence of Tramon Williams and to a lesser degree AJ Hawk and Desmond Bishop and you have a really solid defense - especially against the pass.
Ted has done a good job this season, there is no doubt about it. I do wish they made the move for Lynch, I still think he is more of an impactful runner than anyone we currently have. Starks is definitely starting to turn heads. Hope the kid keeps hangin on to the ball.
You know im not going to back off on the Raji analysis. Thompson gets a good deal of credit for this season, but again, it's almost the perfect storm for himm. Here's why. Raji really has made his stamp on the defensive side of the ball the last few games of the season and into the playoffs. While this is well and good, he really did play some uninspired ball at times and he was the anchor of a defensive line that was abused on the ground during the season. What he has done lately is a testament of how good he could be, but until he plays at the level he is currently playing consistently, I wont be a true believer in him.
Thompson has done a good job this season as I said above. But player development in this case is much bigger than him. Coaching and other players have a big impact on player development. With the injuries they have had they have managed to find a semblance of chemistry with all of the street guys that have been brought in. The Packers got hot at the right time and with an interesting combination of players of which some are backups and some even street guys. Is this lucky? perhaps... but I think it's a testament to how impactful guys like Charles Woodson are to this team. Guys look at guys like Charles (heck even Nick Collins) and emulate their work ethic and attitude. Couple that with great defensive strategy and the emergence of Tramon Williams and to a lesser degree AJ Hawk and Desmond Bishop and you have a really solid defense - especially against the pass.
Ted has done a good job this season, there is no doubt about it. I do wish they made the move for Lynch, I still think he is more of an impactful runner than anyone we currently have. Starks is definitely starting to turn heads. Hope the kid keeps hangin on to the ball.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
ALBERT EINSTEIN
ALBERT EINSTEIN
diggr makes a good point with his first sentence
What's happening Diggr?
he really did play some uninspired ball at times
Sorry to hear you won't be climbing that B J Raji is a bust wall anytime soon.
Jordy Nelson still need a kick in the _ _ _?
And are you aware that you used Uncle Ted's name and the word good in 3 sentences?
Have a nice day
Free breakfast at the BW is awaiting
he really did play some uninspired ball at times
Sorry to hear you won't be climbing that B J Raji is a bust wall anytime soon.
Jordy Nelson still need a kick in the _ _ _?
And are you aware that you used Uncle Ted's name and the word good in 3 sentences?
Have a nice day
Free breakfast at the BW is awaiting
I guess I was wrong for being OK with a trade for this guy.
Although I do think the braids would be a nice complement to the Pack's contingent of dudes with really cool hair.
Although I do think the braids would be a nice complement to the Pack's contingent of dudes with really cool hair.
quote:Originally posted by Green Crustacean:
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
ALBERT EINSTEIN
Norman Einstein dummy.
quote:Originally posted by Sally-Ka-Nancypants:
diggr makes a good point with his first sentence
When I read that sentence I think "Shakespeare jacked up on room temp Orange Fanta".
quote:Originally posted by Sally-Ka-Nancypants:
diggr makes a good point with his first sentence
quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
While this is well and good, he really did play some uninspired ball at times and he was the anchor of a defensive line that was abused on the ground during the season.
There were some games in mid-season that the Pack didn't do well vs. the run, but not for one second did I ever think that was because of Raji. How about the fact that the Pack was forced to pickup guys off the street and give them signficant playing time right away because guys like Jenkins and Pickett were hurt? And this was after Mike Neal and John Jolly were already gone for the year.
For a stretch there, it seemed like almost every week the Pack was having to put together a different corps of LBs as their lineup kept changing due to injuries. Quite frankly, Raji was one of the only reasons they weren't gashed more than they were. He seemed like the only guy that was really out there in his same position week after week while almost all other positions in the front 7 had to rotate guys due to injuries. I just think pinning a mediocre run defense earlier in the season on Raji just isn't fair to him considering the turmoil around him.
Diggr,
When you factor in the time lost last year due to injury, I am pretty confident that Raji's path of growing into playing as a top-level starting nose tackle is a solid one. I think he's on a very fast pace.
I don't know what your expectations are on that point.
(Come to think of it, even if you didn't factor in the time lost, his path is solid - so solid, in fact, that most NT's never play up to his level.)
When you factor in the time lost last year due to injury, I am pretty confident that Raji's path of growing into playing as a top-level starting nose tackle is a solid one. I think he's on a very fast pace.
I don't know what your expectations are on that point.
(Come to think of it, even if you didn't factor in the time lost, his path is solid - so solid, in fact, that most NT's never play up to his level.)
Digload doesn't work in facts, just slivers of truth morphed into hyperbolic opinion. For example: Raji was on the team, he is the sole reason the run game had trouble.
quote:1. BJ Raji
2. Ted Thompson
On both of these points, were you to admit being wrong to a magnitude that is as extreme as is possible, you would be truthful. The converse is also true. You are as blind as a bat if you do not see the truth of Raji and TT.
Thompson needs no dissection. No high level of detail. This team, with its extraordinary number of injuries, made the SB via a very difficult path. It was never behind by more than 7 points. In this era of FA, the depth on this team, as well as the starting talent level, pretty much requires Thompson to be listed with the finest GM's in the business - PERIOD.
Onto Raji. The dude is playing at a pro bowl level. If you do not see it, well, you do not see it. But, if you don't, you do not know football.
Dude! Fess up! Eat your crow!
Well written. I'd have just called him a dip**** and moved on but you pretty much nailed it. Kudos.
The DL played without Jolly and Neal for the entie year and Pickett and Jenkins for part of the year. We lost both of our opening day ILB starters for the year too. And you think the issues with the run defense starts and ends with Raji?
I don't have stats but I would venture a guess that Raji played a higher % of his teams defensive snaps than just about every other interior DT in the league. I rarely saw him leave the field. That's not easy for a 340 lb guy.
I don't have stats but I would venture a guess that Raji played a higher % of his teams defensive snaps than just about every other interior DT in the league. I rarely saw him leave the field. That's not easy for a 340 lb guy.
The Packers ran a 2-4-5 alot of the season when they gave up a good chunk of their yards especially on second down. This has been documented numerous times and has been said during every broadcast.
Seriously, ok.. I know it's Superbowl week.. but Thompson is a few games over .500 for his 5 year tenure - I call it average. I know BJ Raji has played better over the span of 6 games or so and he has shaken the "bust" label which I never gave to him, I said he could be labeled a bust if he continued his trend at the time of the posting. I know a lot of you are beating your chest at the pulpit today, but how can you be so confident in a GM who barely got you into the playoffs this season (Thanks for choking NYG) and a guy who is inconsistent at best (he didnt make the pro bowl for a reason - or was it because enough of you scholars weren't voters?).. also remember we were one Leon Lett 2.0 moment away from scuttling a NFC Championship Game to the Bores in which he would have been crucified on this board. Instead his stupid dance gets publicity with drones of 50 year old men acting like 12 year old girls fawning over a fat guy who almost threw away the NFCC.
While everything has turned out rosy, it is ridiculous for the rabid to start acting like BJ Raji is a hall of famer and Ted Thompson should be inducted into the Ring of Honor. There are many other factors to why the Packers are in the super bowl that you guys are forgetting. In my opinion Ted has done a good job with personnel this season, but overall I would rather have more of an aggressive GM, who looks to creativity (ie: Ron Wolf). This Packers team would get stomped by either the 96 or 97 editions of the Packers.
Yes. I watch him play every week very closely. He got abused earlier this year. Thus my criticism.
While everything has turned out rosy, it is ridiculous for the rabid to start acting like BJ Raji is a hall of famer and Ted Thompson should be inducted into the Ring of Honor. There are many other factors to why the Packers are in the super bowl that you guys are forgetting. In my opinion Ted has done a good job with personnel this season, but overall I would rather have more of an aggressive GM, who looks to creativity (ie: Ron Wolf). This Packers team would get stomped by either the 96 or 97 editions of the Packers.
quote:Originally posted by CUPackFan:
And you think the issues with the run defense starts and ends with Raji?
Yes. I watch him play every week very closely. He got abused earlier this year. Thus my criticism.
Is there a problem Diggy? You seem to have this thing against fat guy, albinos, grown people displaying traits of their Neantherdal ancestors, among many others. And that concerns me.
quote:He got abused earlier this year.
Hell you get abused here all the time and rightfully so. But there is no doubt in my mind that you think you had a great season.
quote:There are many other factors to why the Packers are in the super bowl that you guys are forgetting. In
Would you mind sharing these with us? I love stupid.