"Dom Capers **FIRED** was an OUTSTANDING Football Coach"

This was a 4-1 football team probably headed to blowing out the SpermHeads on their way to 5-1 before a broken collar bone derailed everything.

The players played defense pretty well before Burnett got hurt. If you remember the first game of the year?

These players can play. I'm not worried at all about the roster. I can cherry pick good picks by TT too. Every team has crappy picks. Yeah even the almighty Bill Belichick. 

These coaches don't ever feel the heat like other teams that lose. It pisses me off that Dom isn't held accountable. It's disgusting that they get to sit there & collect a paycheck no matter what garbage they put on the field. 

No one owes SteveLuke ****. He’s a douche. 

This non answer speaks volumes...

Asked about the man coverage, House considered answering, but then thought the better of it.
“It would be smart if I don’t answer that question,” he said. “I wish I could give you (something), but that’s probably a better question for the coaches.”

You nailed it Boris 

Brainwashed Boris posted:

Jim Leonhard for DC ---- NOW!

Arranda, yes.  I can see trying that.  Jim needs more seasoning in the minors

It would be refreshing to see Capers and MM being as blunt with their own self assessments as their players are:

Sportsradio 105.7 The FAN

CB Damarious Randall on the Green Bay Packers defense: “We just s***ted the bed. Point blank. Period.” - Radio Joe

House post game was a little more cryptic but concerning nonetheless.  Either teams have figured out Dom's schemes or they just aren't good schemes to begin with.  The 3rd down defense in particular has been a joke and it's been that way for a while now.  

sometime in the 2nd quarter Dom made me text a friend:  Dom couldn't call his way out of a canyon surrounded by campers.

the game has passed him by so many times over, everyone knows what's coming, he still does it, we all see it.   turrbl

edit:  headline at pft - "Lions were the first team in a year to go a full game without a punt".   man, if that doesn't scream YOUR DC SUCKS, I don't know what does.

They should have punted on their first drive.

michiganjoe posted:

#Lions 3rd-down conversions:

3-14 (penalty)
3-10 (16 yds)
3-3 (17 yds)
3-3 (15 yds)
3-5 (13 yds)
3-7 (17 yds)
3-10 (23 yds)
3-5 (13 yds)

— Michael Cohen (@Michael_Cohen13) November 7, 2017

That is an indictment of vast proportions.

And look by how many yards the 1st down was made (omitting the penalty) - 6, 14, 12, , 8, 10, 13, and 8 yards.

That's an F grade.

SteveLuke posted:

But about that roster.

Let me see, Quentin Rollins was a 2nd round pick I believe. Guess what, Rolliins was a 2nd round bust who lacked the physical ability to play CB.

And Kyler Fackrell was top 3 round pick, right?

And TT decided that Fackrell was going to replace Peppers all offseason, until he was so bad in training camp, TT got desperate and brought in Brooks. 

Every team has early round busts.  It's the nature of the draft.

I'm pretty sure drafting Biegle had more to do with "replacing" Peppers. 

That said, I hate to ask but is there an up and comer on Zimmer's D staff?  Yes, that's how far we've come with DC.

If you hit on 50% of your draft picks you're considered a stellar GM.  SteveLuke, just like his accompanying toolbag Excalibur, is a toolbag.  

What's funny is the same thing he bitches about, not bringing in FA, is exactly what TT did to buff the OLB position.  But now that's a ****ty move too.  Ain't that right Super Putz?

The roster isn't the issue.  There are always weak spots but you can't tell me the talent level isn't good enough to field even a mid range defense.  Anyone telling you otherwise is full of ****.  Coaching.  Plain and simple. 

DH13 

That said, I hate to ask but is there an up and comer on Zimmer's D staff?  Yes, that's how far we've come with DC.

Yep. His kid. Adam. 

I wish MM had this kind of philosophy with regard to his staff.

Mike Clemens from 105.7 the Fan just made a pretty good point regarding what is so frustrating about watching Capers run the defense:

Last night, Mike Daniels was on the sidelines with a 3rd and long coming up and he's confused whether or not he's supposed to come back into the game. He keeps looking around until he finally is told to get on the field in a last minute substitution. To do this, Daniels at 310 pounds, literally has to sprint back onto the field about 40-45 yards to get into his position. The ball is snapped within 2-3 seconds of this and Daniels, now gassed from running a wind sprint to get into position, misses his right gap assignment and is essentially useless on that play.

Time and again, Capers does these mass substitutions throughout the game and many simply makes no sense or like in the example above, gasses a player OR leaves him confused as to what he's supposed to do. 

That's not a talent problem. That's not a defense dealing with injuries and therefore can't play.

That's terrible, dysfunctional, disjointed coaching.

Capers fuc king sucks.

no biggie, but it's 107.5 the Fan.  105.7 will get you the Rocking Apple. 

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Exactly. AND WHY can't MM see that????

DH13 posted:

Was he tap dancing with Bing Crosby?

LOL, Hans Christian Andersen...

Reading/listening to this comment from MM, I was struck with the thought that this has to be directed at Capers:
"There's some very lopsided statistics. Look close at those. They told the story."

Yet I see no news today about any apparent changes. Or am I just trying to read too much into that?

packerboi posted:

Time and again, Capers does these mass substitutions throughout the game and many simply makes no sense or like in the example above, gasses a player OR leaves him confused as to what he's supposed to do. 

That's not a talent problem. That's not a defense dealing with injuries and therefore can't play.

That's terrible, dysfunctional, disjointed coaching. 

Capers fuc king sucks.

Your entire post summed up.

The game has passed him by & no pressure at all to improve because he has a job.....

MM is not going to sack Dom in the middle of the season. He may not even do so at the end of the season. He may finally do so if TT says it's fire Dom or you're fired. When the players start "not saying something" in public like House did, you're done as a coach.

I wish MM and TT would just shorten the process, rip the bandage off, and replace Dom with, oh, anyone for the rest of the year. Then see what's out there next year, whether it's Arranda or anyone else, they have to be better than Dom. 

Players would respond to a new defensive coach....ANY new DC. 

I'm done with the Wizard & his roadkill toupe'

Tdog posted:

sometime in the 2nd quarter Dom made me text a friend:  Dom couldn't call his way out of a canyon surrounded by campers.

the game has passed him by so many times over, everyone knows what's coming, he still does it, we all see it.   turrbl

edit:  headline at pft - "Lions were the first team in a year to go a full game without a punt".   man, if that doesn't scream YOUR DC SUCKS, I don't know what does.

I thought NO did not punt either based on no punt returns from Packers, but NO punted twice. Still 2 games and 2 punts is not a statistic that should be swept away. 

Fandame posted:

I wish MM and TT would just shorten the process, rip the bandage off, and replace Dom with, oh, anyone for the rest of the year. Then see what's out there next year, whether it's Arranda or anyone else, they have to be better than Dom. 

This. Give someone the "interim" label, see how it goes and give them half a season.

Agreed but that should have been done after NO game.  I'm afraid now MM is just going to ride out the season with Dom.  Could cost him his job. If no coaching changes happen this off season or the remainder of this season than you have to wonder WTF Ted is thinking. 

Ted is thinking they lost their starting QB. The defensive problems are a different issue.

MM has never replaced a coach during the season. 

The problem with an in-season coordinator change is they are still in the thick of the playoff run, so change for change sake is a hard sell. That said, McCarthy may not have a choice if the DEF has another sh!tastic performance vs CHI.

The CHI offense...

... should be just what the Dom defense needs.

Ride it out.  Can't see a mid season change working for anyone not that it matters.  

Unlikely, but for the 3 remaining home games I'd love the hear a "Capers Sucks" chant rising up from the Lambeau crowd.

If they were losing shootouts by scores of 41-38 then you'd think about a defensive coordinator change.

The offense with Hundley is going to struggle to score 20 in any game at this point. I think Bill Belichick would struggle to win with this defense when you know you have to hold teams under 14 points to have a chance to win.

Disagree MP, thematically, not the BB specific comment.

With the 1st and 2nd rd talent on the def, holding teams under 14 or so should not be so challenging.

Injuries and coaching, imho, have had a far greater impact on our current record than anything to do with roster construction. We just had our starting offensive line together for the first time (halfway into the season) because of injuries to three of our starters, including both our tackles (and every damned backup tackle. We had a guard playing for Bulaga). And now Bulaga's knee injury means he's out for the season. We were down to our not second, but third-string halfback because of injury. Burnett missed significant time. Nick Perry has been basically playing with one hand. Daniels missed multiple games. Oh yeah, and the highest rated QB in the NFL's history has now missed nearly three full games because of a cracked collarbone. 

Injuries happen, but Green Bay seems to get decimated more than other teams on an annual basis. Is that a talent issue? Nope. Is it a conditioning issue? Possibly. (Damn it, they need to stretch more!!!!1111) Is it a drafting issue? Maybe, but I can't blame Ted for taking a flier on the occasional highly-touted prospect with some injury history. The front office does its due diligence before taking a player that's been hurt. Sometimes they get bitten; sometimes they get lucky. Losing a high draft pick lineman like Derek Sherrod sucks. Losing a Pro Bowler like Nick Collins sucks. Losing Jermichael Finley sucks. Now, losing Bulaga, probably to a career ender, sucks. Hell, I'm still in morning over Robert Brooks and Sterling Sharpe seeing their careers ending prematurely. 

The thing is, because of our success (being in the playoffs every year this decade-with that "crappy roster") means we have to take some chances. Picking 28th, or 30th in each round means we're not going to get the blue chip prospects. We still need the talent, though, and that means sometimes taking a guy that has had less than perfect health. And then, as of late, we've augmented the talent by bringing in guys. Nobody knew that Bennett was going to sleep walk through the season. After his season with the Pats, he was a no-brainer pick up for Rodgers. He can block and catch. I like the Kendricks pick up, too. Ahmad Brooks was brought in. He's missed some time to injuries, too. 

This team was picked by many prognosticators to go to the Super Bowl, or at least play in the NFC Championship Game. That wasn't all Rodgers. This team has talent, and I think Ted Thompson gets credit for building a pretty good team. That they've underperformed, or have been injured (or flat out quit because the moldy specter of death holds the clipboard for the defense) is not his fault. 

Ahmad Brooks, but yeah, it's a lot of things.  mentioning him made me think of Fackrell...   that guy is as useless as tits on a bull.  wasting a roster spot, no passion or fire out there, just a guy going through the motions.  get him the hell out of G&G.

Brainwashed Boris posted:

Players would respond to a new defensive coach....ANY new DC. 

I'm done with the Wizard & his roadkill toupe'

Boris I agree with you and Henry that the issue is not the roster.  Like you I believe that the talent is there but it is so badly mismanaged by the defensive coaching staff it is insane.   I also think that MM is loyal to his core but I think this offseason could hopefully be different.  One other factor is that I think Dom Capers is close to 70 years old he might just retire.

Hungry5 posted:

Disagree MP, thematically, not the BB specific comment.

With the 1st and 2nd rd talent on the def, holding teams under 14 or so should not be so challenging.

Agree that holding a team like the Bears, Browns, Vikings, Ravens, or Bucs under 14 points is doable. Looking at the schedule they have upcoming with your comment in mind, there is only one team (Steelers) that you'd expect to have trouble containing. The 5 teams listed above (plus the Lions and Panthers) are teams that you'd think your defense would have a chance to keep the game low scoring.

Can they score 15 in those games?  And if the D holds most of those teams to 14 the dream will have died.....Dom will get a statue.

All hail the unvanquishable Dom Capers!