Especially when you write it in your diary.
...it's a journal.
Blair Kiel posted:...it's a journal. Urinal
FTFY
a - get (and keep) Burnett, Brooks, Randall, Thomas, & Biegel healthy
b - rotation of Perry/Brooks/Biegel/Fackrell
c - more CMs3 in the middle with Martinez
d - more Burnett, Jones, Brice at Safety with them less at ILB
e - more man with House, King, and Randall
Brainwashed Boris posted:Blair Kiel posted:...it's a journal. Urinal
FTFY
So graffiti is the same thing as keeping a diary?
Of note: Peppers has more sacks than all of the #Packers outside linebackers combined
Wilde said today that Rodgers wanted Peppers to return but that the Pack made it clear the team had no interest him.
I wonder if the decision not to retain Peppers was made by Ted, Dom, or Mike, or some combination thereof and what the reasoning was as he signed very modest deal with Carolina.
And given that he was the only backup OLBer to return from last season, I wonder if they saw something in Fackrell that just hasn't translated to the field this season.
The entire 2017 season is Dom Capers fault. I'm blaming him for everything.
Everything.
Always fair to question the talent Dom's had to work with, as his supporters often have done. Also fair to question if Dom has gotten the most out of the talent he's had and the performance of defensive players that have moved on would suggest the answer is no. Think Hundley and the running game are very capable of winning games but the defense has to play a lot better than it's shown to date.
Jeff Janis! is relieved he's no longer the scapegoat.
SteveLuke posted:Of note: Peppers has more sacks than all of the
#Packers outside linebackers combinedWilde said today that Rodgers wanted Peppers to return but that the Pack made it clear the team had no interest him.
I wonder if the decision not to retain Peppers was made by Ted, Dom, or Mike, or some combination thereof and what the reasoning was as he signed very modest deal with Carolina.
And given that he was the only backup OLBer to return from last season, I wonder if they saw something in Fackrell that just hasn't translated to the field this season.
Previously posted by SteveLuke:
”Peppers is likely gone. Does not really matter, he looked like he is done anyway”
Ghost of Lambeau posted:Is Janis still on the team?
Yes, he's doing a great job catching kickoffs and kneeling down. I'm worried that if he ever catches a pass this season he'll think the rules of football have changed and will immediately do the same thing.
Casey Hayward is the only recent FA that Ted let walk that I was disappointed to see leave. Hyde is a great utility player, but he wasn't going to play ahead of Burnett and HHCD. And he got paid. His speed wasn't going to get better. Glad to see he's having success and I with him the best. As for Peppers, he was a role player as a pass rusher only on the downside - a liability against the run. Letting him go as a FA is not a mistake.
YATittle posted:Ghost of Lambeau posted:Is Janis still on the team?
Yes, he's doing a great job catching kickoffs and kneeling down. I'm worried that if he ever catches a pass this season he'll think the rules of football have changed and will immediately do the same thing.
Give him some credit on punt coverage. He's an excellent gunner. He probably saves a few yards a game doing that. The question is whether the 8-10 yards a game on average he saves is worth a roster spot over someone that could contribute at another position.
50k Club posted:Casey Hayward is the only recent FA that Ted let walk that I was disappointed to see leave. Hyde is a great utility player, but he wasn't going to play ahead of Burnett and HHCD. And he got paid. His speed wasn't going to get better. Glad to see he's having success and I with him the best. As for Peppers, he was a role player as a pass rusher only on the downside - a liability against the run. Letting him go as a FA is not a mistake.
Hayward and Hyde were very similar. They were guys without superior physical measurable traits that just seemed to have football instincts. The fact that isn't as valued in the Packers scheme as it is in others is a general concern. Even Julius Peppers in his 2017 form fits this. Peppers isn't the top 10 DL of all time type he was 10 years ago, but he had a knack for making plays.
michiganjoe posted:Always fair to question the talent Dom's had to work with, as his supporters often have done. Also fair to question if Dom has gotten the most out of the talent he's had and the performance of defensive players that have moved on would suggest the answer is no. Think Hundley and the running game are very capable of winning games but the defense has to play a lot better than it's shown to date.
The running game isn't going to win anything until Hundley proves he can threaten defenses downfield. If he can't, the return of peak Ahman Green wouldn't matter if the back is running into 8 and 9 man in the box defenses.
MichiganPacker posted:50k Club posted:Casey Hayward is the only recent FA that Ted let walk that I was disappointed to see leave. Hyde is a great utility player, but he wasn't going to play ahead of Burnett and HHCD. And he got paid. His speed wasn't going to get better. Glad to see he's having success and I with him the best. As for Peppers, he was a role player as a pass rusher only on the downside - a liability against the run. Letting him go as a FA is not a mistake.Hayward and Hyde were very similar. They were guys without superior physical measurable traits that just seemed to have football instincts. The fact that isn't as valued in the Packers scheme as it is in others is a general concern. Even Julius Peppers in his 2017 form fits this. Peppers isn't the top 10 DL of all time type he was 10 years ago, but he had a knack for making plays.
I just don't know how much clearer the connection is to Caper's **** defense. The argument was made about having the right players on defense. Remove the Datone Joneses and look at the solid football players that were average here to go on and be really successful in other schemes. Hyde and Hayward are screaming prime examples. How many other player's skillsets are being dulled? We get all excited about Josh Jones. That guy as a hybrid player is destined to become mediocre crap in this defense.
Henry posted:How many other player's skillsets are being dulled? We get all excited about Josh Jones. That guy as a hybrid player is destined to become mediocre crap in this defense.
We always have Blake Martinez. 
It just hit me. Capers is David Carr-ing this defense. The guy ruins players.
So you're saying you got hit by a car? Or Dom should get hit by a car. Trying to follow you.
Don't follow too close, you will get hit by a car
From this thread, I would have thought this was more like getting hit by a train.
ChilliJon posted:SteveLuke posted:Of note: Peppers has more sacks than all of the
#Packers outside linebackers combinedWilde said today that Rodgers wanted Peppers to return but that the Pack made it clear the team had no interest him.
I wonder if the decision not to retain Peppers was made by Ted, Dom, or Mike, or some combination thereof and what the reasoning was as he signed very modest deal with Carolina.
And given that he was the only backup OLBer to return from last season, I wonder if they saw something in Fackrell that just hasn't translated to the field this season.
Previously posted by SteveLuke:
”Peppers is likely gone. Does not really matter, he looked like he is done anyway”
Man what a miscalculation on my part regarding Peppers. Just terrible.
How fortunate we are that the Packer coaches, especially defensive coordinator Dom Capers, and General Manager Ted Thompson who are paid millions of dollars every year by the team recognized that Pep had so much left in the tank and resigned him last offseason.
Otherwise, the pass rush might be lacking this season. Right?
Or perhaps Thompson recognized that resigning Peppers for 2017 was not worth the bother because Julius would have looked like he was done if he had to play another year in Dom's defense anyway.
SteveLuke posted:ChilliJon posted:SteveLuke posted:Or perhaps Thompson recognized that resigning Peppers for 2017 was not worth the bother because Julius would have looked like he was done if he had to play another year in Dom's defense anyway.
This. Peppers was clearly on the downside in our D. Now he's rejuvenated in a different place. Hyde is making a name in a different place, as is Hayward. What's the commonality? No more Dom. Each is the same athlete, with the same skill set. It's not like they got a half-second faster or grew an inch or gained 50 IQ points; it's that they got better coaching to bring out their skills and use them properly. Coaching like our D has not had since 2010.
Notice that when O players leave, they rarely have better and/or career years. Sitton and Lang are still serviceable, for example, but not nearly as key as in past years and they've had injuries, too.
RE: Peppers - Could be 'a' or 'b', or neither.
In his last 2 years with GB, Peppers was not very good against the run. Last season, he was terrible. You can look at "highlights" of big run plays where Peppers was literally jogging after a RB.
He's rejuvenated in Carolina and good for him. But when you couple his production, salary, age, and his slowness it's easy to see why Ted moved on.
Remember all that barking about the Packers needing to get faster? It was because players like Peppers and Hyde just didn't have the wheels to compete with offenses like ATL. Easy to forget that.
I tend to give coaches and GMs the benefit of the doubt figuring they understand the game on a different level, and I wasn't terribly upset that Peppers, Hayward and Hyde left especially the last two for significant paydays that the Packers weren't going to pay. The fact that all 3 are having good post-careers so far is interesting and a good point made by others.
IMO, a good coach puts his players in a position to succeed, is clear of what he is asking them to do, and doesn't ask them to do things they are incapable of. I just don't see this from Capers or his defenses. What is frustrating is there seems to be lots of pre-snap confusion. Zone coverage looks like prevent defense. On paper this defense does not look so bad, it probably is a top 10 defense, but it should be better than it is. It seems to do a mediocre job against mediocre quarterbacks, but good quarterbacks have just picked his defenses apart. At what point does this insanity stop?
End of rant, and I don't feel any better 
DH13 posted:So you're saying you got hit by a car? Or Dom should get hit by a car. Trying to follow you.
I've tried it before. I don't recommend it.
Anyone consider the context for the guys that left? What is around them? Better players? Easier for your team to lift you than for you to lift a team. I have no idea what SD has in their secondary but it looks like both BUF and CAR are better situations for Peppers and Hyde.
Mike is never firing Dom. So if Dom was worth anything he’d resign. Immediately. Because what he’s doing now is showing that benefiting from Mikes loyalty outweighs his concern over destroying that loyalty’s legacy.
To be fair. Mikes single greatest failure has been his reluctance, refusal, or inability to surround himself with the best possible coaching staff he could assemble.
Because let’s be honest. There isn’t anybody. ANYBODY, that’s just dying to throw offers at Winston Moss and Edgar Bennett to pry them away from Green Bay.
ChilliJon posted:.Because let’s be honest. There isn’t anybody. ANYBODY, that’s just dying to throw offers at Winston Moss and Edgar Bennett to pry them away from Green Bay.
Really, it's all of Mike's staff. You don't see Edgar Bennett or Alex Van Pelt sought after either.
Philbin and Mcadoo are his coaching tree. Not exactly a stellar one he's building.
DH13 posted:Anyone consider the context for the guys that left? What is around them? Better players? Easier for your team to lift you than for you to lift a team. I have no idea what SD has in their secondary but it looks like both BUF and CAR are better situations for Peppers and Hyde.
Well, for starters Hyde and Peppers are in a Jim Johnson style defense. Hayward went from playing in a 3-4 to 4-3.
As my Bro-in-law keeps wondering (he's a Vikings fan), how can the defense be that poor with that much talent? And yes, he knows football.
Outside of Viking fan. Bro-in-law is wise.
packerboi posted:In his last 2 years with GB, Peppers was not very good against the run. Last season, he was terrible. You can look at "highlights" of big run plays where Peppers was literally jogging after a RB.
He's rejuvenated in Carolina and good for him. But when you couple his production, salary, age, and his slowness it's easy to see why Ted moved on.
Remember all that barking about the Packers needing to get faster? It was because players like Peppers and Hyde just didn't have the wheels to compete with offenses like ATL. Easy to forget that.
Looking back....
I'd rather pay Peppers 3.75 million for one year than Fackrell 2.6 combined over the next 3 years. Fackrell is just a warm body who can, and probably will be soon, easily replaced by a UFA .
Hyde is basically playing Free Safety for the Bills, & based on last season, he was not going to play over Ha Ha at that position here.