"Dom Capers **FIRED** was an OUTSTANDING Football Coach"

lambeausouth posted:

This team was picked by many prognosticators to go to the Super Bowl, or at least play in the NFC Championship Game. That wasn't all Rodgers. 

It certainly appears so. If it is not on Rodgers, than heads MUST roll. It was known that there was/is a decent possibility that 12 could return at the end of the season and if that isn't an incentive to perform or be prepared, I don't know what is. I think we all expected at least one win from the last two games and definitely not to be overmatched which is has been the case.

Morgan Burnett already ruled out for Bears game. Martinez will wear the radio. Apparently Ha Ha wasn’t the right choice. 

I swear Capers is just throwing **** at the wall to see what sticks now. 

Bears are 5.5 point favorites.   

Sad days in Packer land fellas.  Just when we take the lead, 95-94, in the series we will most likely give it up.   

I know some of you will go ape **** over this, but I'm actually hoping that the D continues to stink.   We need a change so bad, it's in the best interest of the franchise to suck the rest of the year. 

What player can they draft that will guarantee a Super Bowl?

I don't chime in often and for that I apologize, also haven't read much of this thread. 

But jesus dom has to go. I can't think of a legit defensive level, that is a glaring weakness. Burnett and haha, king is ascending, Martinez is a baller, Clark and Daniels, Perry, and to an extent 52.

mike zimmer, could coach these guys to win games. I know a lot of the household names are unable to come to Green Bay for one reason or another, but cmon. There's nobody? McCarthy gives his DC's near full control. That's got to be appealing. Yet somehow MM trots out the same **** ass coaching staff every year to the same old tune. We get excited about a wrinkle, peso, nitro, whatever... and we're optimistic until even a decent OC smells it out in week 3.

Speaking of peso, Bo Pelini anyone? 

His chit matches a nasty attitude that KG brought and made clay a household name. 

Theres my call for our D.C. in 18', Bo fricken pelini. 

Ain't happening.  

Tdog posted:

Ahmad Brooks, but yeah, it's a lot of things.  mentioning him made me think of Fackrell...   that guy is as useless as tits on a bull.  wasting a roster spot, no passion or fire out there, just a guy going through the motions.  get him the hell out of G&G.

Sorry, had a brain fart. I got on a roll....

GBFanForLife posted:

What player can they draft that will guarantee a Super Bowl?

Unless Lawrence Taylor has found the Fountain of Youth, and can find a way to declare for the draft again, I don't think there is one. 

Again, we don't need dominant. The offense, when healthy, is very good. Rodgers didn't have his line at all in the five plus games he played. That needs fixing. 

We need to build a line like they have in Dallas. That makes everything on the offensive side of the ball better. And then draft technically sound, athletic guys with little to no injury history for the D. Something needs to change there. Too many misses. 

BrainDed posted:

Bears are 5.5 point favorites.   

Sad days in Packer land fellas.  Just when we take the lead, 95-94, in the series we will most likely give it up.   

I know some of you will go ape **** over this, but I'm actually hoping that the D continues to stink.   

The Domsday Doomfense has a nice ring to it! 

lambeausouth posted:

GBFanForLife posted:

What player can they draft that will guarantee a Super Bowl?

Unless Lawrence Taylor has found the Fountain of Youth, and can find a way to declare for the draft again, I don't think there is one. 

Again, we don't need dominant. The offense, when healthy, is very good. Rodgers didn't have his line at all in the five plus games he played. That needs fixing. 

We need to build a line like they have in Dallas. That makes everything on the offensive side of the ball better. And then draft technically sound, athletic guys with little to no injury history for the D. Something needs to change there. Too many misses. 

Dallas has three guys drafted in the top half of the first round on their o-line, we are never going to get that many high first round picks. 

lambeausouth posted:

GBFanForLife posted:

What player can they draft that will guarantee a Super Bowl?

Unless Lawrence Taylor has found the Fountain of Youth, and can find a way to declare for the draft again, I don't think there is one. 

Why would he have to declare for the draft?  LT is a FA now unless his retirement status gets in the way.  But I digress.  All we need to do is follow the precedent already established by the Patriots - and sign him. 

But if we find that fountain of youth, keep it a secret and give some to Bart Starr and let him lead us to his 3rd SB win. 

GBFanForLife posted:

What player can they draft that will guarantee a Super Bowl?

Exactly, they should just forgo the draft completly

(two can play the ridiculous game)  

It was an honest question. Several people think it is good to have a draft pick in the top 10. How many of these players really are that great? There are a lot of teams that are always drafting high and they still suck year after year. The draft is a crapshoot.

Exactly, it is risky and you don't know how it will work out, so skip it entirely.  

Same reason to keep Capers around forever, the new guy could potentially be worse.  

GBFanForLife posted:

It was an honest question. Several people think it is good to have a draft pick in the top 10. How many of these players really are that great? There are a lot of teams that are always drafting high and they still suck year after year. The draft is a crapshoot.

There are more First Round Draft choices in the HOF than those selected in all other rounds (and UDFAs) combined. Furthermore those drafted in the top 10 have a significantly statistical greater chance of being pro bowl players than those drafted in the bottom 10 of round one. Great article with bar graph showing this that I read a couple of years ago but can not presently find.

There isn't a whole lot you can do at the OL position when 4 of your starters and 2 high draft pick backups go down with injury.   Case in point on the randomness of draft success: Spriggs was drafted pretty high if I recall.  

I was beating the drum in 16 when I suggested TT might go WR early with that year's plethora of top receivers coming out and not looking like we had much depth or young talent to develop at the time.  But he hasn't really invested in that position since Davante.  He took a couple late round flyers this spring but he needs to do more there.   

All eyes will be on TT and co. next spring if they are in a top 10 draft spot.  No more excuses of constantly drafting at the end of the round every year.

High draft picks are given more leeway to make the transition to the NFL. I'm of the belief it does not matter how you get them, just get them (them=good NFL players). 

You find them where you find them but picking higher loads the deck a little more in your favor.

The fact that more HOF players were drafted in the first round than all the other rounds & UDFA's combined, tells you all you need to know, overall, the best predictor of the future is the past. 

So the argument is GB needs more RD1 draft choices, not higher within RD1?  Their record won't help them in that regard.  I'd like to see a breakdown of the HOF and pro bowl/all pro players within RD1, i.e. top 10? top half?.  I'd also be interested to see how many of their teammates were also HOF/pro bowl/all pro.  Context matters.

HOF :

109 were top 16 picks

136 were picked after 16th 

I'll never cheer for the Pack to lose, even in a meaningless game at the end of a 6-10 year (I won't be as worked up over the loss rather than in a 12-4 year).  

But obviously, it is better to have the 10th pick than the 15th pick.  Lower picks are obviously better from a drafting standpoint.  The guarantee nothing, but they are obviously better.  

We have the dumbest ****ing arguments on this site sometimes  

FLPACKER posted:

The fact that more HOF players were drafted in the first round than all the other rounds & UDFA's combined, tells you all you need to know, overall, the best predictor of the future is the past. 

Dr Phil is that you?

Never seen him, does he say that? 

EKB, sometimes?

FLPACKER posted:

Never seen him, does he say that? 

DH13 posted:

So the argument is GB needs more RD1 draft choices, not higher within RD1?  Their record won't help them in that regard.  I'd like to see a breakdown of the HOF and pro bowl/all pro players within RD1, i.e. top 10? top half?.  I'd also be interested to see how many of their teammates were also HOF/pro bowl/all pro.  Context matters

I made this post last year after a bunch of scratch padding. It does not include the most recent HOF class.:

'Beginning with the 1976 draft 46 first round draft choices have made the HOF. That compares with 26 other players from all other rounds (AND free agents) combined. What's more, 38 of those first rounders were chosen in the top half of the round-14 or higher. 32 were selected in the top 10. Only 4 were found in the last 1/4 of the round, 21 or higher.

The most recent draft class inducted is 1997 so using that time frame: The chance your first round pick was elite was about 8%- 1 in 12; a top ten pick hit big about 15% of the time- 1 in 7

Compare that to rounds 2-8 (Richard Dent was the last 8th+ rounder) . Those picks made the HOF at a little over 2/3%- roughly one in 150. Free agents are so much worse it's impossible to estimate. Only Warren Moon and John Randle of ALL undrafted free agents between 1976 and 1997 made the NFL HOF. And Moon came from a celebrated career in the CFL.'

Cool.  Thanks for the breakdown.

Back to Capers and GB bashing and looking for a silver lining...Those  wanting Vic Fangio, if Fox and Co. are excused,  have a couple things to consider.

Fangio's rep is highlighted by his D's in SF.  That SF roster was also loaded.  Some may say they would have made Capers look just as good.  CHI's D was top 10 ranked and maybe they don't have the players SF did but I wasn't too impressed when our pop gun offense beat them last week.  How good is Fangio with less than stellar personnel?

And...there are rumors of Harbaugh to CHI and I would hedge my bets on him wanting to get the band back together with Vic if that were to happen.

DH13 posted:

Some may say they would have made Capers look just as good.  CHI's D was top 10 ranked and maybe they don't have the players SF did but I wasn't too impressed when our pop gun offense beat them last week. 

The Bears lost last week because Fox is an idiot (challenge play) and he has no WR's and those he has, can't catch. Had the Bears not dropped roughly 4 key passes last week, they at least tie the game. Had he not challenged, he likely wins.

Fangio I just think gets more out of his players, including what he has in Chicago.

They seem to play hard for him. That's not the case in GB. I don't come away watching this Packers defense when they face a capable QB and think "well, they at least played their asses off". I see them go through motions, acquire fatigue injuries that allow them to be paid sitting on the sidelines for weeks, and execute an extremely predictable game plan.

The good news? There should be plenty of firings by seasons end so GB should have plenty to choose from should they finally move on from Capers.

The offense with 7 still put up 23 on them.

Reggie ain't like Ted....

Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
Sources: The #Raiders have fired defensive coordinator Ken Norton, per @MikeSilver and me. Big change.
3:44 PM · Nov 21, 2017

Yup. 

Maybe it's because Ted has won a Super Bowl & Reggie hasn't yet. 

Or perhaps "ownership" has some views about the product on the field when they just broke ground for a new $1.9 Billion dollar stadium in Vegas. 

They'll need to sell seats.

In Green Bay, they don't have that issue.

Starting to see my point now? No fear of losing their jobs. None of them.

You need continuity but there comes a time for EVERYONE to move on, especially a certain 67 year old DC.

If every NFL coach isn't coaching for his job every week, there is something wrong with him. It's a rough business and a coach only has 16 weeks to prove themselves. 

They certainly aren't in Green Bay....Oakland & Cincinnati on the other hand already fired a couple coordinators this season. I think I'm missing one more team too.

Buffalo. Doug Whaley 
Albeit a GM and not a coach, but still....

Bringing up Cincinnati is foolish. Their head coach should have been gone years ago. He sucks.

He might "suck" as a head coach but I'd kill to have him as DC of the Packers.

Brainwashed Boris posted:

He might "suck" as a head coach but I'd kill to have him as DC of the Packers.

Are you looking for suggestions?