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Maybe for as great as those players seem to us fans, the front office and coaches just do not think they will be a positive in the Packers' scheme?  Honestly, why can't it be as simple as that?  Why does it have to be "ROTTT is ruining the Packers because he refuses to sign free agents?"  maybe those players just are not compatible with what the damn team truly needs?

The 2013 FA thread reads exactly like this one. It's starts off with hopes and dreams. Get's kind of dark before everything goes pitch black. There's lots and lots of Ted comments identical to this years version. And there's even some "all in" teams that ran away with the Day One FA crown like Detroit that blew their load on Reggie Bush, Jason Jones, and Glover Quin.

 

Just a great way to blow 20 minutes to take your mind off the players Ted isn't signing today either.

The 2013 FA thread? We can go back to all the FA threads the last 6-7 yrs and it plays out the same way

 

Here is how things usually play out

 

- FA is approaching, fans start having thoughts and visions of a big FA or 2 being signed

 

- FA begins, bottom feeder teams with a ton of cap room spend like crazy. Packers don't do a thing

 

- Fans get angry, TT bashing in full force. Mention how the state of the team is on the decline and how stubborn TT is

 

- NFL Draft happens

 

- OTAs, minicamp/training camp, preseason

 

- Regular season happens and Pack win division again and make playoffs again

 

- May or may not win the SB(it's not easy)

 

Then we repeat this sequence again the very next year

Originally Posted by ChilliJon:

The 2013 FA thread reads exactly like this one. It's starts off with hopes and dreams. Get's kind of dark before everything goes pitch black. There's lots and lots of Ted comments identical to this years version. And there's even some "all in" teams that ran away with the Day One FA crown like Detroit that blew their load on Reggie Bush, Jason Jones, and Glover Quin.

 

Just a great way to blow 20 minutes to take your mind off the players Ted isn't signing today either.


I agree it's a very similar pattern to last year. But I think there are two very important considerations:

 

1) Last year the Packers had two huge contracts in Rodgers and CM III to extend. While they still have guys like Nelson and Cobb to take care of, those guys aren't Rodgers and CM III

 

2) Perhaps most importantly, the approach to ignore FA last year didn't work out, especially on the defensive side of the ball. There were big ? marks at safety and LB that the Packers didn't address during Free Agency, and they were stuck playing sub-optimal guys there.

 

As soon as the season was over, there were a lot of folks excusing Capers by saying the talent level wasn't high on the defense. Well, free agency is one way to address that. We'll see what TT does the rest of the time, but bringing in the next Merling or Anthony Hargrove and then throwing some more draft picks doesn't strike me as the huge influx of talent that our defense and Capers apparently needs.

Originally Posted by CAPackfan:

The 2013 FA thread? We can go back to all the FA threads the last 6-7 yrs and it plays out the same way

 

Here is how things usually play out

 

- FA is approaching, fans start having thoughts and visions of a big FA or 2 being signed

 

- FA begins, bottom feeder teams with a ton of cap room spend like crazy. Packers don't do a thing

 

- Fans get angry, TT bashing in full force. Mention how the state of the team is on the decline and how stubborn TT is

 

- NFL Draft happens

 

- OTAs, minicamp/training camp, preseason

 

- Regular season happens and Pack win division again and make playoffs again

 

- May or may not win the SB(it's not easy)

 

Then we repeat this sequence again the very next year


Pretty good, but I'd argue a couple of steps left out of the sequence:

 

- Packers defense ineffective, especially against elite QBs, leading to exit in playoffs

 

- Coaching staff and fans defend Capers claiming talent isn't there on defense

 

- Team mainly relies on own players and draft picks to improve the talent

Last edited by Rockin' Robin
Originally Posted by Rockin' Robin:

Green Bay has enough flexibilty to bid on a guy like Ward AND maintain their draft and develop philosophy. Why they refuse to do it is a bit puzzling...there isn't a great logical explanation for why TT basically only spends on his own players. I mean, if Sam Shields had an identical career but with the San Diego Chargers rather than the Packers, does TT even bid on him?

 

Here's a logical explanation:

 

1. A player is a free agent because his organization did not want to keep him

2. There must be some reason this organization did want to keep him

3. Why should I give A player a **** ton of money if his own team did not find him valuable enough to keep?

 

Instead, why don't I just save my money, and use it on guys like Sam Shields and Randall Cobb and Bryan Bulaga and Jordy Nelson who I know are good because I drafted them and I've watched them and I've helped coach them. 

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I just don't understand why Ted was willing to sign Pickett and Woodson to big deals in his second season when the talent level on defense now seems much worse than it did in March 2006. Still a lot of offseason left (including the draft), but I just can't really figure it out. He's the expert, so I'll just wait and see how it all plays out.

Woodson and Pickett were signed well into the FA period - neither was one of those 'show up at his door at midnight' guys.  I'm not exactly sure when Pickett was signed, but his deal wasn't enormous for the time and Woodson sat around for a couple of weeks before reluctantly coming to GB after no one else would give him what he wanted.  Different situations.  Ted has NEVER jumped into the idiotic spending spree that's taking place right now - not once.

Originally Posted by bubbleboy789:
Originally Posted by Rockin' Robin:

Green Bay has enough flexibilty to bid on a guy like Ward AND maintain their draft and develop philosophy. Why they refuse to do it is a bit puzzling...there isn't a great logical explanation for why TT basically only spends on his own players. I mean, if Sam Shields had an identical career but with the San Diego Chargers rather than the Packers, does TT even bid on him?

 

Here's a logical explanation:

 

1. A player is a free agent because his organization did not want to keep him

2. There must be some reason this organization did want to keep him

3. Why should I give A player a **** ton of money if his own team did not find him valuable enough to keep?

 

Instead, why don't I just save my money, and use it on guys like Sam Shields and Randall Cobb and Bryan Bulaga and Jordy Nelson who I know are good because I drafted them and I've watched them and I've helped coach them. 


True but there are some moronic franchises out there that either:

A.) Don't know what they have in a player.  See Gilbert Brown, Boykin, etc.

B.) Can't manage the cap well and don't have the means to keep their own.

Originally Posted by bubbleboy789:
Here's a logical explanation:

 

1. A player is a free agent because his organization did not want to keep him

2. There must be some reason this organization did want to keep him

3. Why should I give A player a **** ton of money if his own team did not find him valuable enough to keep?

 

Instead, why don't I just save my money, and use it on guys like Sam Shields and Randall Cobb and Bryan Bulaga and Jordy Nelson who I know are good because I drafted them and I've watched them and I've helped coach them. 

Ha, your Jedi logic tricks will not work here!

Originally Posted by bubbleboy789:

Here's a logical explanation:

 

1. A player is a free agent because his organization did not want to keep him

2. There must be some reason this organization did want to resign him

3. Why should I give A player a **** ton of money if his own team did not find him valuable enough to keep?

 

Instead, why don't I just save my money, and use it on guys like Sam Shields and Randall Cobb and Bryan Bulaga and Jordy Nelson who I know are good because I drafted them and I've watched them and I've helped coach them. 

You're making a big logical leap in assuming the reason teams don't keep certain players is that because the organization doesn't want them or doesn't find them valuable.

 

That could be an explanation in some cases (hello MD Jennings). But it's often not the explanation in other cases. Most of the time, free agents are considered very valuable, but the team has either: 1) no salary flexiblity; 2) good depth at that position to replace; or 3) more pressing needs elsewhere.

 

Or 4) someone else just values a player even more. That was the case with guys like Greg Jennings or Scott Wells, who were clearly valued by the Packers. Just not as much as other teams.

 

So IMO, there's nothing logical at all if you automatically disregard free agents simply because a team let them get to free agency. And it's not at all consistent with how TT views his own free agents who he let get to free agency.

Originally Posted by Sep:

The Packers are in great shape right now. They resigned their biggest free agent and are still $27 million under the cap. Maybe that means Raji and Jones come back, too? I personally feel like Raji is a better possibility than Jones, but who really knows. 

 

 

I don't want Raji.  If he underperformed for 3 out of 4 years, including his "free agency year" when his motivation should have been soaring, why expect him to play any differently for one more (overpaid) year?

Originally Posted by Pakrz:
Owen Daniels cut by the Texans and is heading to GB for a visit.

I would not be sad at all if Daniels were the new TE.  You'd be taking a risk as he only played 5 games last year, but he's been a solid player and occasional Pro-Bowler.  He might not have the explosiveness of Finley, but he could have a couple of good seasons left in him, particularly with a QB as good as Rodgers throwing to him.

Originally Posted by JJSD:

Woodson and Pickett were signed well into the FA period - neither was one of those 'show up at his door at midnight' guys.  I'm not exactly sure when Pickett was signed, but his deal wasn't enormous for the time and Woodson sat around for a couple of weeks before reluctantly coming to GB after no one else would give him what he wanted.  Different situations.  Ted has NEVER jumped into the idiotic spending spree that's taking place right now - not once.

 

Looks like Pickett's deal was a week after FA started in 2006, but it was a mid-range contract for the time. And Woodson definitely did sit around for a while, I do remember that for sure. IIRC, the Buccaneers were willing to give him a similar contract, but they wanted to move him to safety.

Last edited by Pack-Man
 
Originally Posted by Floridarob:

The injury to Rodgers should have shown Ted and company something. That one of the youngest teams in the league year in and year out can't win without a superstar at QB.

Thank goodness they have a superstar at QB, huh?!


Wow, good point. It will be so much cheaper though to back up Arod with another superstar QB. Trade for Brady and pay him 18 million a year or acquire Ware, Talib and Ward for 30 million a year? I say, trade for Brady tightwad Ted. 

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