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Originally Posted by Grave Digger:
Ted can sign TJ Ward for a solid $5.5 M/year contract or he could wait and draft a Safety in round 1 for under $3 M/year. Considering how last years rookie Safety's performed (Vaccaro, Elam, Cyprien, Reid) it's very tempting to go with that option.

The issue with that is the list is only two deep this year vs. four.

Originally Posted by CAPackfan:

It's probably not a good idea to base opinions on a player on what the Raiders do/do not do. They are inept

 

Houston was a good pickup for Chicago. They overpaid(like majority of FA's today) but he's going to help them


Not only that, but they let Veldheer go and are replacing him with Roger Injured Enough to Be a Packer and Still Just Mediocre Saffold.

Hopefully TT makes some decent moves then but he hasn't even done much there since 2006 (and Marquand Manuel was one of the three).
 
Originally Posted by bubbleboy789:

draft and develop.

Which works great, if you draft anyone worth a **** and they develop. The defensive front seven has been TT's Achilles Heal sans Matthews and he hasn't gotten a really good safety since Collins. Technically he hasn't drafted a starting CB yet either and Whitt's turned lead in to gold. 

Last edited by Herschel
Originally Posted by Herschel:
Technically he hasn't drafted a starting CB yet either and Whitt's turned lead in to gold. 

At what point does the GM get credit for finding the player in the first place? Rodgers was a steal and McCarthy actually turned him elite. Edgard Bennett and Aaron Rodgers are responsible for the receivers playing well. Kevin Greene and Matthews bloodlines are the reason he's succeeding. Joe Whitt turned Sam Shields, Tramon Williams, and Casey Hayward into stars. Blah blah blah. 

Until Hayward shows a good second season he's still in Marques Anderson territory. I fully suspect he will, but he's not a star yet.

 

TT knows receivers, nobody questions that. He also seems to recognize raw potential at corner as well as anyone. I do find it somewhat ironic that he seems best at finding guys further away from the position he played than closer.

Last edited by Herschel
Originally Posted by Rockin' Robin:

Verner signing for $13 MM less than Shields is a surprise.

 

Not a surprise to me. Shields is a better DB no matter what Peter King or anyone else happens to think

 

Roger Saffold  five-year, $42.5 million deal with $21 million guaranteed from the Oakland Raiders.

Last edited by Boris
Originally Posted by Sep:

TT won't sign anybody. 

That's what is so FRUSTRATING to me!  Just because we've got a bunch of cap money, I don't see a need to spend it, BUT there were QUALITY free agents available yesterday AT POSITIONS WHERE WE NEED HELP, and per usual TED DID NOTHING!  Draft and develop is fine for our primary approach to building our team, but a one-trick-pony never wins the horse show.

Originally Posted by bubbleboy789:

draft and develop.

One trick pony.

 

Unfortunately, as has been the case with far too many of Ted's top draft choices, the "develop" part hasn't happened.  We might as well trade all of our draft choices for cash and then run out ans sign every undrafted free agent we can find.  I think Ted would be perfectly happy doing that.

Originally Posted by Herschel:

Until Hayward shows a good second season he's still in Marques Anderson territory. I fully suspect he will, but he's not a star yet.

 

TT knows receivers, nobody questions that. He also seems to recognize raw potential at corner as well as anyone. I do find it somewhat ironic that he seems best at finding guys further away from the position he played than closer.

Yup, I "never" judge a player based on their rookie seasons. Have to do it over 2 or 3 seasons first.

Originally Posted by IL_Pack_Fan:

I almost wouldn't mind seeing Denver win the SB one of these next two seasons solely as an experiment in sports business. Can getting one Lombardi be worth enough to offset the 4-5 years of absolute garbage that await that franchise?

Unfortunately, with the way our d and d players have been turning out, we're going to be right there with Denver.  But on the bright side of things, we'll have a much higher spot in the drafting order in a couple of years - and our top-tier QB will be starting on the downside of his career.  What really upsets me is that Ted is wasting the opportunity that fell into his lap with Rodgers.  All he needed to do was to surround him with talent to complement AR's brilliance; and instead, Ted forgot that there is also a defensive side of the game.  Shame on him.  A quarterback is a terrible thing to waste.

The injury to Rodgers should have shown Ted and company something. That one of the youngest teams in the league year in and year out can't win without a superstar at QB. Every thing is Rosy as long as Rodgers is behind center. But if he is out, the team is as pathetic as the Jaguars, Raiders, and every also ran team in the league.

 

Ted is at his best in the draft department but his aversion to free agency does not benefit the Packers. Teams that are cap strapped have been making moves and helping themselves while the Packers having 27 million in cap space available with players available to help the team sits by and watches. Ward was available and the terms were not outrageous. I would have been satisfied just hearing that Ted was involved in the bidding but we know that did not happen. Teds free agency philosophy is to tell the player to call him if nobody else makes an offer.

 

I have no doubt that if Ted was in charge while Reggie White was available that Ted would have never gotten involved. It would require him to pay silly money as he calls it and he has proved he doesn't go there. Silly money got Reggie to Green Bay. That and the phone call for God but at least the team was in there going to head to head with the 49ers, Cowboys, Detroit and every other team that was after him.

 

Hopefully Rodgers stays upright this year but if something happens, the youngest team in the league will spend another year learning the ropes.

what was it Pablo used to say about our long offseason of discontent...?

oh ye of little faith

I've really been enjoying (in a comedic way) all the talk here and from the dundits (might as well combine dunce and pundit) that GB has no DL and the sky is falling and oh my please follow the SB winning strategies of Danny Boy Snyder because spending huge on FA works perfectly all the time every time.

Keep it going folks, I need the laughs.

Originally Posted by Stevie:
Originally Posted by Sep:

TT won't sign anybody. 

That's what is so FRUSTRATING to me!  Just because we've got a bunch of cap money, I don't see a need to spend it, BUT there were QUALITY free agents available yesterday AT POSITIONS WHERE WE NEED HELP, and per usual TED DID NOTHING!  Draft and develop is fine for our primary approach to building our team, but a one-trick-pony never wins the horse show.

I just think Thompson doesn't see the roster as having as many holes as some of us fans might think. He's always favored developing roster talent, and he probably doesn't see a sinking ship, therefore, no reason to start finding high-priced free agents even if they would help the team. 

TT cares about us...he really does:

 

“I think the people I work with understand how I go about my business and why we're doing certain things,” Thompson said then. “Yeah, from an organizational standpoint, I would like for the Packer fans to think the Packers are in good hands, quite frankly. Not necessarily everybody patting you on the back, but to kind of there be a little trust with the Packer fans (in) me.

 

“But at the same time, this is a big boy place, and if I get criticized, I'm OK with it. Personally, I can take it from an ego standpoint, but I would prefer it if it was more of a positive message, just because of the people out there who are getting up and reading that at the breakfast table or watching it on the nightly news at night. It might make them have a bad day thinking, 'Oh my gosh,' that sort of thing. I'm not immune to that. But I'm fairly thick-skinned about other things.”

Originally Posted by Stevie:
Originally Posted by Sep:

TT won't sign anybody. 

That's what is so FRUSTRATING to me!  Just because we've got a bunch of cap money, I don't see a need to spend it, BUT there were QUALITY free agents available yesterday AT POSITIONS WHERE WE NEED HELP, and per usual TED DID NOTHING!  Draft and develop is fine for our primary approach to building our team, but a one-trick-pony never wins the horse show.


THIS!

Originally Posted by bubbleboy789:

the Packers won a Super Bowl using the draft and develop philosophy. so that one-trick-pony rocked the goddamn horse show. 

 

you people should relax, stop taking life so seriously. it's just a game. trust Ted. he's pretty good at his job.

 

I don't have an issue with the draft and develop philosophy. Having that be the backbone of your team building philosophy makes a ton of sense.

 

But I think there's a difference between having that philosophy and relying exclusively on that approach.

 

The reality is the Packers had several key contributors on that Super Bowl team that came via free agency. Woodson was the star player, Pickett the second tier guy in FA, and then a guy like Howard Green the mid-season veteran pick-up.

 

Green Bay has enough flexibilty to bid on a guy like Ward AND maintain their draft and develop philosophy. Why they refuse to do it is a bit puzzling...there isn't a great logical explanation for why TT basically only spends on his own players. I mean, if Sam Shields had an identical career but with the San Diego Chargers rather than the Packers, does TT even bid on him?

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