quote:Originally posted by Music City:
Christ teaches us not to judge.
So who cast the first stone in this thread?
So who cast the first stone in this thread?
So who cast the first stone in this thread?
quote:Originally posted by Henry:quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:quote:Originally posted by Henry:
You obviously didn't see the part where he loves the sinners. Something you want to tell us?
I'm a closeted Christian?
Well not you in particular but I had my suspicions.
Psychology, History, Theology, Science. All intriguing and all part of what makes us who we are today.
I'm at a conference this week in CHI, one of the presenters this morning.
quote:So who cast the first stone in this thread?
Jesus Christ came upon a crowd of people about to stone a woman for adultery. Trying to stop them, Jesus said, "Let the one among you who is without sin cast the first stone."
At this point, the woman was stuck dead by a stone thrown from the crowd.
"Mother!" cried an annoyed Jesus.
quote:Originally posted by JJSD:quote:Originally posted by Corageous-Ka-Bong:
speaking of BBQ sauce, I do like Sweet Baby Ray's Sweet and Spicy variety. Lots of people around here like Cookies, but I don't care for it.
This stuff is the best I have found around here. The rubs are as good as the sauces.
http://www.stubbsbbq.com/
Stubbs is good. Maurice's is the best I ever had.
Too bad Maurice Bessinger is such a raging racist anachronism. I'd rather just try and replicate it and not support him.
This is a pretty personal post.
I prefer calling it SSA or "same sex attraction."
I don't think I am saying the following out of a pity trip, but to make a point.
By the accounts of the few counselors I have seen, I have had a profoundly traumatic life that I absolutely believe impacted my sexuality. For example, I had (still have?) a condition referred to as an inadequate sense of being (which can be acquired during trauma as a newborn). Female side trauma pretty uninterrupted through to at least 20, with one whopper of a sexual trauma at 19 (don't know how I survived it, actually).
Especially after that trauma, my homosexual desires skyrocketed.
Dad? A sociopath who has visited his sons once in 30 years.
Enough of the above.
I knew that TRAUMA and its attendant screwy cognitive whatever is the main cause of my sexuality.
Somewhat recently, I have been seeing a counselor who specializes in the treatment laid out by Peter Levine in his book Waking the Tiger Healing Trauma which is in part based on the idea that trauma is negative energy that resides in our physical body and that cam be released.
For the first time in my life, thanks to this counseling methodology, trauma is accessed on a consistent basis. One of the really cool things in addition to the release of some of the trauma is that I am able to experience my cognition within trauma states. Like what the hell am I thinking?
During one counseling session, I told Britta (my counselor) that a voice in my head is saying, "I am gay. I am gay." She asked to talk to whomever was saying that. She asked, "Why do you keep saying you are gay?"
My answer: "Because I have to run away."
And I knew what it meant. I had to run away from women because women, starting with my mother, terrorized me. The dominant contribution to my SSA has always been FEAR OF WOMEN. It was not genes or some other causal factors.
I have witnessed legitimate healing from this fear. I have also witnessed change in my sexuality. I have a wonderful girl friend, for example.
Here's my point. Do you think I am alone? Not by a long shot. There are MANY men and women with SSA who are absolutely convinced that the record of their lives includes trauma as contributing to their sexuality.
But, let me just speak for myself and I hope the fact that IT IS MY LIFE THAT IS MY TESTIMONY lends it a bit of weight (significance).
My SSA is 100% rooted in un-wellness. I am all for acceptance. I am all for grace.
I am not for the broad brush declaration that homosexuality can never be a consequence of un-wellness where the best choice, if available, is to let it go and move on to a happier life. Happier because in my case the SSA is merely a symptom and that which it is a symptom of, is quite "not well." It is totally rooted in trauma and if there ever be 100% eradication of those wounds?
The symptom would be no more.
While I applaud what this individual did, I cannot applaud the assertion that in all cases SSA is "well" and I seem to see a lot of that here.
Mine is a dissenting opinion.
I prefer calling it SSA or "same sex attraction."
I don't think I am saying the following out of a pity trip, but to make a point.
By the accounts of the few counselors I have seen, I have had a profoundly traumatic life that I absolutely believe impacted my sexuality. For example, I had (still have?) a condition referred to as an inadequate sense of being (which can be acquired during trauma as a newborn). Female side trauma pretty uninterrupted through to at least 20, with one whopper of a sexual trauma at 19 (don't know how I survived it, actually).
Especially after that trauma, my homosexual desires skyrocketed.
Dad? A sociopath who has visited his sons once in 30 years.
Enough of the above.
I knew that TRAUMA and its attendant screwy cognitive whatever is the main cause of my sexuality.
Somewhat recently, I have been seeing a counselor who specializes in the treatment laid out by Peter Levine in his book Waking the Tiger Healing Trauma which is in part based on the idea that trauma is negative energy that resides in our physical body and that cam be released.
For the first time in my life, thanks to this counseling methodology, trauma is accessed on a consistent basis. One of the really cool things in addition to the release of some of the trauma is that I am able to experience my cognition within trauma states. Like what the hell am I thinking?
During one counseling session, I told Britta (my counselor) that a voice in my head is saying, "I am gay. I am gay." She asked to talk to whomever was saying that. She asked, "Why do you keep saying you are gay?"
My answer: "Because I have to run away."
And I knew what it meant. I had to run away from women because women, starting with my mother, terrorized me. The dominant contribution to my SSA has always been FEAR OF WOMEN. It was not genes or some other causal factors.
I have witnessed legitimate healing from this fear. I have also witnessed change in my sexuality. I have a wonderful girl friend, for example.
Here's my point. Do you think I am alone? Not by a long shot. There are MANY men and women with SSA who are absolutely convinced that the record of their lives includes trauma as contributing to their sexuality.
But, let me just speak for myself and I hope the fact that IT IS MY LIFE THAT IS MY TESTIMONY lends it a bit of weight (significance).
My SSA is 100% rooted in un-wellness. I am all for acceptance. I am all for grace.
I am not for the broad brush declaration that homosexuality can never be a consequence of un-wellness where the best choice, if available, is to let it go and move on to a happier life. Happier because in my case the SSA is merely a symptom and that which it is a symptom of, is quite "not well." It is totally rooted in trauma and if there ever be 100% eradication of those wounds?
The symptom would be no more.
While I applaud what this individual did, I cannot applaud the assertion that in all cases SSA is "well" and I seem to see a lot of that here.
Mine is a dissenting opinion.
“Ladies and gentlemen, I’m a cook.”
Stubbs rocks! Sweet Baby Rays is good too.
you can leave me out of your christian guilt and sin charade.
Stubbs rocks! Sweet Baby Rays is good too.
quote:So does everyone.
you can leave me out of your christian guilt and sin charade.
Fox Brothers sauce down here is the best for Texas style brisket.
Whole Foods Market carries it, or you can buy it at their restaurant.
Whole Foods Market carries it, or you can buy it at their restaurant.
They just opened a Whole Foods near our house relatively recently and we've been checking it out. I've been buying a lot of bison meat for the grill and smoker from there. I may have to try some of the sauces I've seen in this quite unique thread.
Bison is sinfully good meat.
Bison is sinfully good meat.
quote:Originally posted by Tdog:
you can leave me out of your christian guilt and sin charade.
Goat herder war god is not amused.
quote:Originally posted by Brak:quote:Originally posted by JJSD:quote:Originally posted by Corageous-Ka-Bong:
speaking of BBQ sauce, I do like Sweet Baby Ray's Sweet and Spicy variety. Lots of people around here like Cookies, but I don't care for it.
This stuff is the best I have found around here. The rubs are as good as the sauces.
http://www.stubbsbbq.com/
Stubbs is good. Maurice's is the best I ever had.
Too bad Maurice Bessinger is such a raging racist anachronism. I'd rather just try and replicate it and not support him.
This thread is so much easier to read AFTER lunch.
I for one am shocked by this revelationquote:Originally posted by phaedrus:
This is a pretty personal post.
I prefer calling it SSA or "same sex attraction."
I don't think I am saying the following out of a pity trip, but to make a point.
By the accounts of the few counselors I have seen, I have had a profoundly traumatic life that I absolutely believe impacted my sexuality. For example, I had (still have?) a condition referred to as an inadequate sense of being (which can be acquired during trauma as a newborn). Female side trauma pretty uninterrupted through to at least 20, with one whopper of a sexual trauma at 19 (don't know how I survived it, actually).
Especially after that trauma, my homosexual desires skyrocketed.
Dad? A sociopath who has visited his sons once in 30 years.
Enough of the above.
I knew that TRAUMA and its attendant screwy cognitive whatever is the main cause of my sexuality.
Somewhat recently, I have been seeing a counselor who specializes in the treatment laid out by Peter Levine in his book Waking the Tiger Healing Trauma which is in part based on the idea that trauma is negative energy that resides in our physical body and that cam be released.
For the first time in my life, thanks to this counseling methodology, trauma is accessed on a consistent basis. One of the really cool things in addition to the release of some of the trauma is that I am able to experience my cognition within trauma states. Like what the hell am I thinking?
During one counseling session, I told Britta (my counselor) that a voice in my head is saying, "I am gay. I am gay." She asked to talk to whomever was saying that. She asked, "Why do you keep saying you are gay?"
My answer: "Because I have to run away."
And I knew what it meant. I had to run away from women because women, starting with my mother, terrorized me. The dominant contribution to my SSA has always been FEAR OF WOMEN. It was not genes or some other causal factors.
I have witnessed legitimate healing from this fear. I have also witnessed change in my sexuality. I have a wonderful girl friend, for example.
Here's my point. Do you think I am alone? Not by a long shot. There are MANY men and women with SSA who are absolutely convinced that the record of their lives includes trauma as contributing to their sexuality.
But, let me just speak for myself and I hope the fact that IT IS MY LIFE THAT IS MY TESTIMONY lends it a bit of weight (significance).
My SSA is 100% rooted in un-wellness. I am all for acceptance. I am all for grace.
I am not for the broad brush declaration that homosexuality can never be a consequence of un-wellness where the best choice, if available, is to let it go and move on to a happier life. Happier because in my case the SSA is merely a symptom and that which it is a symptom of, is quite "not well." It is totally rooted in trauma and if there ever be 100% eradication of those wounds?
The symptom would be no more.
While I applaud what this individual did, I cannot applaud the assertion that in all cases SSA is "well" and I seem to see a lot of that here.
Mine is a dissenting opinion.
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
IC was first.
quote:
During one counseling session, I told Britta (my counselor) that a voice in my head is saying, "I am gay. I am gay." She asked to talk to whomever was saying that. She asked, "Why do you keep saying you are gay?"
My answer: "Because I have to run away".
I'll tell ya why I said it 20 years ago. Because I was tired of pretending to be someone I was not. I was tired of lying to everyone but myself. And it was high time I made myself happy and I could be comfortable in my own skin.
I grew up with as normal a childhood as a kid could expect. Had good parents. Lived in a safe neighborhood. Went to all private schools (12 of them catholic). Played sports and loved "boy" shiit from Star Wars to Tonka trucks.
And I also liked guys. Alot. Knew since I was 7. And also am at complete peace with who I am and wouldn't change a thing. This is who I am and who I am attracted to. I love my boyfriend dearly, been with him 7 years now. He also grew up with a very all american childhood like mine with no trauma or molestation or anything that would have influenced him. He just likes dick.
As for Jason Collins, while it should not matter in 2013 what your orientation is the fact is DOES matter to 1000's of gay kids growing up who finally have someone amongst the 4 major sports in this country they can look up to and say I could be out like him AND be accepted. In a sport like the NFL and NBA there is a still culture of ignorance among some players and probably coaches that needs to be taken down. Where players, coaches, and their fans perhaps pause to think about what they are saying before their next fag joke or derogatory term comes spewing out of their mouth. And where they learn that Collins is really no different then they are and he and other gay athletes should not be forced to endure those comments or feel like they have to live a lie just to fit in.
Love is love. When it comes right down to it that's what matters.
quote:Originally posted by Goalline:quote:Originally posted by Pistol GB:quote:Originally posted by Coach:
No apology necessary. To me, at least.
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If you don't see the point, then you don't truly understand the significance.
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Bigotry. Acceptance.
Dude. You want me to apologize to homosexuals because I don't understand bigotry.
Forget the "edge," then. Try this: take your passive-aggressive douchebag B.S. and stick it deep and hard.
And be sure to get the last word in.
Your homophobia isn't as well hidden as you think, my dear.
You don't get it either. I'm so unjudgmental on this, I don't even believe it is an issue.
And where I live, it truly isn't. The State Senator for my district, Sen. Jack O'Connell, won back-to-back terms here in 2002 and 2006. He was openly gay, never had to announce it, his opponent never raised it as an issue, it was never an issue, period, for anyone. As it shouldn't be anywhere. That's pretty much the opposite of homophobia, my dear.
What I propose is not "Don't ask, Don't tell." It is: calling an announcement like this only reinforces the idea that there is something wrong with homosexuality, and pretends there is a legitimate debate to be had on the issue.
Obviously, I live in a different part of the Country.
If it weren't for the sex, I could be gay. Then it's just hangin with your buddies. 
I think pretending it isn't an issue is part of the problem.
quote:Originally posted by Grave Digger:
If it weren't for the sex, I could be gay. Then it's just hangin with your buddies.
LMAO!!!!!
that is about being gay, not pork butt
quote:Originally posted by Corageous-Ka-Bong:
I think pretending it isn't an issue is part of the problem.
It worked for O'Connell. The enlightened view is, it isn't an issue. His opponent knew if he tried to make it one, he'd be the one to look like an oaf.
Way to go, Pboi. I think it's interesting to see that Brittany Griner's coming out gets no more than a yawn while Collins gets front-page coverage. For that, she should say, "Thank you, Martina Navratilova." And in the future, some boy will say, "Thank you, Jason Collins."
Amen.quote:Originally posted by Henry:
Atta boi!
Excellent post, pckerboi and kudos to you.
quote:Originally posted by packerboi:
Love is love. When it comes right down to it that's what matters.
Back in the college days I also assistant managed at a 24-hour family restaurant and was often the only straight guy on the floor during weekend bar rush. I never differentiated with whom I chatted with nor avoided any subjects someone wanted to chat about. I remember one of the straight, female servers coming up to me one night and asking "Were you just talking to him about his boyfriend? But you're straight!"
I just looked at her and asked "So?"
Even coming from a (very) small town environment I never understood why people cared who loved whom. Cripes, if some CAN find real love I'm happy for them. I saw enough of the 'Well, we're supposed to marry someone and we're here but I'll be cheating within 6 months if we haven't beat the crap out of eachother first'.
And just to get this thread back on topic, one of the great places to meet someone was at a celebratory pig roast. Whole hog on a spit, charcoal and wood. For sauce I prefer more of a Memphis-style.
quote:Originally posted by Pistol GB:
It worked for O'Connell.
Then I guess you are right. Lets all pretend that we have differences, but never talk about it, acknowledge it, or learn more about what makes us unique.
Now if you excuse me, I'm going to stick my pork butt in the sand.
Fresh water beach sand or salt water beach sand?
quote:Originally posted by Corageous-Ka-Bong:quote:Originally posted by Pistol GB:
It worked for O'Connell.
Then I guess you are right. Lets all pretend that we have differences, but never talk about it, acknowledge it, or learn more about what makes us unique.
Not what I said. I said he was openly gay.
quote:Originally posted by phaedrus:
While I applaud what this individual did, I cannot applaud the assertion that in all cases SSA is "well" and I seem to see a lot of that here.
What you described is worlds apart from what P'boi described and others I know that have been honest with themselves.
Cheers to you P'boi.
And oh, not only does Stubbs have great sauce and BBQ, but also some of the best shows in Austin are at their outdoor venue. Tame Impala being one of the recent acts to stop in.
quote:Originally posted by Pistol GB:
Not what I said. I said he was openly gay.
well that clears it up. When do you think we can talk about robot/human sex in the same way?
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quote:Originally posted by Corageous-Ka-Bong:quote:Originally posted by Pistol GB:
Not what I said. I said he was openly gay.
well that clears it up. When do you think we can talk about robot/human sex in the same way?
Your Chlorophilia disturbs me.