I think we can all agree that the Biebs is a sinner to the core.
Smite him!
quote:Originally posted by Blair Kiel:
Wanna know how I knew packerboi is gay?
I've been on to him for years. He's way, wa-a-ay too smart to accidentally misspell "boy."
quote:Originally posted by Blair Kiel:
Props to all of you who have shared something of yourselves here.
Hear hear. I just can't get over how cool it is that in a thread discussing a gay athlete coming out, at least 3 posters on a message board dedicated to a professional football team in a relatively rural, conservative part of the country suddenly feel comfortable opening up about their own personal lives, as well. If that's not a case in point, I don't know what would be.
Phaedrus, thank you for being the first. You are now the Jason Collins of TimesFour.
Thanks. That's the first time I've ever opened up about the blasphemy. Or the pulled pork sandwich.
quote:Originally posted by JJSD:
Thanks. That's the first time I've ever opened up about the blasphemy. Or the pulled pork sandwich.
The only thing that could make this thread even more fabulous is if we start talkin' bacon. Boy's. Barbaque.(smoked) Butt. And Bacon. Seriously I may pass out from the excitement.
PS: One of the best shots ever...
quote:
Bacon Shots
Yes, a shot that does taste like bacon, sent in by Robin, who served it at a 16,000 person event - and ran out quickly. I tried quite a few of these last night after my fantasy football draft party, and think that Hickory was the best but all of them were good from what I can remember - it's all a little foggy.
my favorite recipe so far has to be:
one part Vodka
one part water
Bacon Salt to taste
We created the shot as a joke, but it cought on quick. It was a shot that tasted just like bacon, and people loved it (hundreds of people). And soon, I was out of Bacon Shots, and Bacon Salt.
quote:Originally posted by JJSD:
Thanks. That's the first time I've ever opened up about the blasphemy. Or the pulled pork sandwich.
Oh, I just assumed the blasphemy was a given. You were a Packer fan in the 80s.
I was thinking about the mesquite. That took some serious stones.
So that's really what Justin Beiber looks like, eh? Never actually saw him before. He looks disturbingly like my ex, but his hair's too long and he doesn't look tough enough. She'd have kicked his ass.
He's also from Canada. Poor kid.
I FULLY support the spirit of this thread. I have a slightly different view from my experience.
I grew up in a small town in South Dakota. Mother Nature tries to kill you once or twice a year on the prairie from blizzards to tornados (maybe not too much different than WI). That in part forces you to rely on your neighbors, but it also generates distrust in this small community if there are large differences in personality/behavior. One of the kids that I knew as a kid (we were in Cub Scouts together and lived a block apart) performed a terrible act about 10 years after we had parted ways on a poor kid who was struggling to find his identity. The victim was gay but had not come out even though as I later found out that everyone "knew" he was "different". It was a brutally executed hate crime.
Not sure how much things have changed in that part of the country(I haven't been back since 1992). I believe these kids are still at risk in places like that. Now that I've moved about the country and now have acquaintences and friends that are gay, my views have changed from being disgusted at the perpetrators of this crime to complete sadness for the plight of these kids.
There is ample room for growth of this nation on tolerance of people of any background. This didn't happen that long ago. Sorry for being dramatic.
I grew up in a small town in South Dakota. Mother Nature tries to kill you once or twice a year on the prairie from blizzards to tornados (maybe not too much different than WI). That in part forces you to rely on your neighbors, but it also generates distrust in this small community if there are large differences in personality/behavior. One of the kids that I knew as a kid (we were in Cub Scouts together and lived a block apart) performed a terrible act about 10 years after we had parted ways on a poor kid who was struggling to find his identity. The victim was gay but had not come out even though as I later found out that everyone "knew" he was "different". It was a brutally executed hate crime.
Not sure how much things have changed in that part of the country(I haven't been back since 1992). I believe these kids are still at risk in places like that. Now that I've moved about the country and now have acquaintences and friends that are gay, my views have changed from being disgusted at the perpetrators of this crime to complete sadness for the plight of these kids.
There is ample room for growth of this nation on tolerance of people of any background. This didn't happen that long ago. Sorry for being dramatic.
quote:Originally posted by Salmon Dave:quote:Originally posted by Goalline:
The ghey is more contagious that bubonic plague. There is a worldwide epidemic.
I blame it all on Justin Beiber, or however the hell he spells his name.
Who? BTW, my 8 year old niece thinks he is crap. He was da bomb when she was 7.
She is so cute.
quote:Originally posted by Blair Kiel:
Props to all of you who have shared something of yourselves here.
Another one of these.
quote:Originally posted by Fandame:
Justin Beiber? Yuck.
Fandame, thanks for your wonderful posts. The kids at your kid's school will grow up as better human beings, because of their exposure to your kid.
Not really a surprise. What was a surprise was that he was set to get $8,500 to show up and talk. That's pretty good for about 30 minutes of work.
Thanks, Goalline. I am also impressed, and grateful, for supportive folks like yourself and many others here. X4 gets a big 
from me.
And no, I don't expect everyone to accept me (my sister has finally decided I'm not such a bad person after all and she loves our kids), but I do expect simple respect. And, I expect everyone here to be experts on football and the GBP. I joined X4 because everyone was knowledgeable and passionate about the Packers, and respectful in their posts. And I have not been disappointed. (Well, okay, a couple of times I have frowned, but overall... )
And no, I don't expect everyone to accept me (my sister has finally decided I'm not such a bad person after all and she loves our kids), but I do expect simple respect. And, I expect everyone here to be experts on football and the GBP. I joined X4 because everyone was knowledgeable and passionate about the Packers, and respectful in their posts. And I have not been disappointed. (Well, okay, a couple of times I have frowned, but overall...
)
My feeling on the whole "Don't say anything" is that in practical terms it is not viable and so that tack is really deliberate secrecy.
Like the proverbial water cooler in a corporate setting. What'cha doing this weekend? My wife and I are visiting family.
So, what does the gay guy who's part of the gathering say if there is this societal mandate of don't tell? Is he not suppose to simply share what he is doing for the weekend?
I just think if you think it through, that idea falls apart.
Like the proverbial water cooler in a corporate setting. What'cha doing this weekend? My wife and I are visiting family.
So, what does the gay guy who's part of the gathering say if there is this societal mandate of don't tell? Is he not suppose to simply share what he is doing for the weekend?
I just think if you think it through, that idea falls apart.
Jesus ****....be easier to count those not gay on this forum
How bout a special fairy forum
How bout a special fairy forum
quote:Originally posted by Iowacheese:
Jesus ****....be easier to count those not gay on this forum
How bout a special fairy forum
Agree
I dare say that Fandame and packerboi are Packer People.
Much like the Republican Party we have a big tent!(sarcasm)
Much like the Republican Party we have a big tent!(sarcasm)
Why you so concerned with counting and making lists, IC? 
quote:Originally posted by Tdog:
Why you so concerned with counting and making lists, IC?
He's a cop. It's built-in
You just got yourself on one rainBoris
quote:Originally posted by MN SnowBong:quote:Originally posted by Blair Kiel:
Props to all of you who have shared something of yourselves here.
Another one of these.
Couldn't agree more. Thank you for YOUR courage in speaking up. And thanks to Boris for letting folks speak their piece on such a highly divisive issue.
I think the perspectives in this thread reflect where the nation is as a whole. There has been a sea change in public opinion, and Collins coming out reflects that. Having a male professional athlete proclaim that he is gay fractures the perception that sports are one of the last bastions of manliness where gayness doesn't exist.
Leroy Butler appearance at a church is canceled because he tweeted support for Jason Collins.
Just like what Jesus would have done.
Just like what Jesus would have done.
quote:Originally posted by Iowacheese:
You just got yourself on one rainBoris
I thought patriotism was the last refuge of a scoundrel? maybe it's churches. who knew?
I'll also say I'm happy to hear of the stories people shared here.
I grew up in Central Wisconsin. I never considered myself homophobic, but wasn't a vocal advocate for equal rights when I was young. That changed when my professional career took me to a work environment where I had two close colleagues who were gay. Talking to them about their difficulties in participating in making medical decisions for their long-term partners when they were hospitalized, their struggles with US immigration in which the non-citizen partners of US citizens would be forced out of the country and they'd have to follow to maintain their relationships, and one of them getting beat up in Washington DC as a result of a gang initiation ritual in which the point is to randomly beat up someone who was gay really made me consider that as a straight man I needed to advocate for equal rights. I'm very proud of my children who have joined gay-straight alliances in their colleges and high schools.
Hopefully in 40 years we look back at gay marriage in the same way that society looks back at laws against interracial marriage. It's amazing that as recently as 45 years ago interracial marriage was illegal in some states. The Loving vs. Virginia case in 1967 where the Supreme Court overturned the conviction of a white man and a black woman who were prosecuted for having a interracial marriage changed that.
I grew up in Central Wisconsin. I never considered myself homophobic, but wasn't a vocal advocate for equal rights when I was young. That changed when my professional career took me to a work environment where I had two close colleagues who were gay. Talking to them about their difficulties in participating in making medical decisions for their long-term partners when they were hospitalized, their struggles with US immigration in which the non-citizen partners of US citizens would be forced out of the country and they'd have to follow to maintain their relationships, and one of them getting beat up in Washington DC as a result of a gang initiation ritual in which the point is to randomly beat up someone who was gay really made me consider that as a straight man I needed to advocate for equal rights. I'm very proud of my children who have joined gay-straight alliances in their colleges and high schools.
Hopefully in 40 years we look back at gay marriage in the same way that society looks back at laws against interracial marriage. It's amazing that as recently as 45 years ago interracial marriage was illegal in some states. The Loving vs. Virginia case in 1967 where the Supreme Court overturned the conviction of a white man and a black woman who were prosecuted for having a interracial marriage changed that.
quote:Originally posted by Maynard:
Church turns on LeRoy
Stuff like this is just embarrassing. I know organized religion gets a bad rap on x4, and stories like this make it justified. However, as a devoted and practicing Catholic I hope all of you don't lump us together with the ignorance of a few. The God that I believe in is an all-accepting and forgiving one. Not reflective of these whack jobs who we unfortunately run across too often, and by no means reflect the attitudes and beliefs of the masses. I think a lot of good can come from Faith in God and religion. I've experienced in my own life, and there are plenty other examples in everyday life with others. Yet I struggle with associating myself with stupid and ignorant actions like this. Religion is easy to goof on and resent I know, but the misguided and extremists are just that, not a representation of what many believe. There's a lot of us good folks out there. Those who see the good in ALL of us. Props to those of you who have shared your stories. It takes a lot of balls and I don't know if I could have done that.
Thought I'd lighten the mood
And church picnics have really good BBQ
I'm usually done by the time they say grace. I'm a fast eater though.
quote:Originally posted by Corageous-Ka-Bong:
And church picnics have really good BBQ
and beer.
Kolache Day!! But it was always whole bbq chicken, no sinful pork butt.
quote:IowaCheese:
I for one am shocked by this revelation
I did want to thank you for your kindness.
...i'm not gay! stop asking.
...and the gay community breathes a deep sigh of relief. 
quote:Originally posted by bubbleboy789:
...i'm not gay! stop asking.
C'mon, if IC can come out of the closet so can we.
Iowa
is gay?
is gay?