quote:Originally posted by Grave Digger:
Iowais gay?
The front of those shorts are awfully flat, no? Not that I was looking.
quote:Originally posted by Salmon Dave:
Hear hear. I just can't get over how cool it is that in a thread discussing a gay athlete coming out, at least 3 posters on a message board dedicated to a professional football team in a relatively rural, conservative part of the country suddenly feel comfortable opening up about their own personal lives, as well. If that's not a case in point, I don't know what would be.
Phaedrus, thank you for being the first. You are now the Jason Collins of TimesFour.
^^ What the fish said. ^^
I'm impressed by the level of messaging on this board, and never more so than on this topic. (Just take a gander at the ESPN message board to see how it can go terribly wrong.)
Going back to Boris' post on page one, you could almost feel his trepidation at where this thread might lead.
He must be beaming like a proud papa 'bout now, (assuming he hasn't been nuking posts fast and furiously since then).
Kudo's to all.
Lot's more past the clickquote:Butler ‘upset’ church punished him for tweeting to Collins
foxsportswisconsin.com
"I got a phone call, and one of the ladies from the church said, ‘Did you congratulate some gay person?" the four-time Pro Bowl selection explained to FOXSportsWisconsin.com on Wednesday. "I said, ‘Yeah!' I thought she was happy about it. I told her I congratulated Jason Collins for coming out. She said, ‘Ohhhh, that's not good because I don't think the pastor wants you to talk about that in your speech.' "
Butler's speech is about bullying, using his own childhood examples to help kids who are victims of it. He had never addressed or mentioned anything about homosexuality in his speeches before.
"So why is this an issue?" Butler wondered. "Why is it a big deal?"
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quote:Originally posted by Shoeless Joe:
Please remove this photo from the forum.
Personally I have total gay media fatigue. Boy Scouts, nba, Supreme Court, every single frickin tv show...on and on. I don't care if u are my plumber and are gay, just clean out the toilet.
So you're saying there is more than enough awareness of gays in society?
quote:Originally posted by JJSD:
Either way, THAT is a sin.
If I want to smoke pole, I will. If I want to have premarital sex with a woman, I will. It's not a sin because I don't believe in your sky wizard. I am incapable of sinning.
Point being, you are pushing your faith on to others be telling them they fail to meet the standards of your god. YOUR god, not theirs. Then you have to stones to say you are not judgmental? That's the biggest load of manure.. Stating that it is a sin, is judging.
You are so un-excepting of others that you can't even see it. I except that you want to be Christian.. I don't except that you expect others to follow your self imposed rule book.
Would you like us all to pray for you or not?
Yes.. If it makes you feel good, I want you to pray for me.
quote:Originally posted by BrainDed:quote:Originally posted by JJSD:
Either way, THAT is a sin.
If I want to smoke pole, I will. If I want to have premarital sex with a woman, I will. It's not a sin because I don't believe in your sky wizard. I am incapable of sinning.
Point being, you are pushing your faith on to others be telling them they fail to meet the standards of your god. YOUR god, not theirs. Then you have to stones to say you are not judgmental? That's the biggest load of manure.. Stating that it is a sin, is judging.
You are so un-excepting of others that you can't even see it. I except that you want to be Christian.. I don't except that you expect others to follow your self imposed rule book.
Umm... perhaps you ought to reread my posts about this. Sticking a pork butt in the sand is a sin. Sticking your johnson into a consenting, mutually loving adult is something that AFAIC only the religious whackos seem to care about and make an issue. I'll let you figure out the rest from the previous pages.
Holy crap.
Sorry... grabbed the wrong post. I think we know who that was directed to.
I actually saw in another message board some iggnoramus trying to debate about how uncomfortable it will be for the other players when Collins is walking around the locker room with a stiffy.
I'm pretty sure this guy is in his 30's, the ingnoramus.
I actually saw in another message board some iggnoramus trying to debate about how uncomfortable it will be for the other players when Collins is walking around the locker room with a stiffy.
I'm pretty sure this guy is in his 30's, the ingnoramus.
quote:Originally posted by JJSD:
Umm... perhaps you ought to reread my posts about this. Sticking a pork butt in the sand is a sin. Sticking your johnson into a consenting, mutually loving adult is something that AFAIC only the religious whackos seem to care about and make an issue. I'll let you figure out the rest from the previous pages.
Holy crap.
When you die, you really need to donate your hard drive to the Smithsonian. You have an entire directory of the Judge on there along with other things that drive poor Keel to pray.
I'd bet there are things on his hard drive that we are unaware of.
The point that struck me was that Jason Collins had not told his twin brother, the one he played with through college, that he was gay. Didn't tell him until recently. Hid it from even someone he was very close to.
That's an amazing level of fear and need to protect oneself from danger. It is very difficult to understand for someone who enjoys the invisible privilege of not having to explain who and what they are.
But it starts somewhere. When you know someone who is gay, it usually changes your views on a range of issues. Can we let gays be teachers? Once we do, we have to pay them some respect. In the military? Then they earn respect for their service. Sports heroes? Well, then they are heroes. If they can marry, then how can we fire them for no reason? At some point, the momentum might make it irrelevant, but not yet.
We are just a few years away from Wisconsin voting for a constitutional amendment that forbade any rights for gays that even resemble marriage. It was a no brainer for many people, but not now. Now we have a lesbian senator.
So yes, it does matter every time someone steps forward. It's another brick knocked off the wall. I look forward to the day it really doesn't matter. But that day certainly isn't now.
Plus I got as bunch of new cooking tips.
That's an amazing level of fear and need to protect oneself from danger. It is very difficult to understand for someone who enjoys the invisible privilege of not having to explain who and what they are.
But it starts somewhere. When you know someone who is gay, it usually changes your views on a range of issues. Can we let gays be teachers? Once we do, we have to pay them some respect. In the military? Then they earn respect for their service. Sports heroes? Well, then they are heroes. If they can marry, then how can we fire them for no reason? At some point, the momentum might make it irrelevant, but not yet.
We are just a few years away from Wisconsin voting for a constitutional amendment that forbade any rights for gays that even resemble marriage. It was a no brainer for many people, but not now. Now we have a lesbian senator.
So yes, it does matter every time someone steps forward. It's another brick knocked off the wall. I look forward to the day it really doesn't matter. But that day certainly isn't now.
Plus I got as bunch of new cooking tips.
quote:Originally posted by Iowacheese:
already counted you once
I'm touched.
No one should suffer a loved one in the hospital without being able to be by their side and no one should suffer not having a loved one make choices for their best interests.
I wish well anyone in love. Love is more the absence of negative feelings than a feeling itself. Lack of fear (anxiety for the future) and the absence of sadness (the pull of the past) leaves the gift of living in the moment...in peace.
I also wish well anyone who follows their religion on a path to peace. Those uncomfortable with people who love others of the same sex may be living with a fear...away from the moment...away from peace. Fear is the opportunity through which evil enters the world. It's the playbook of history.
quote:Time is too slow for those who wait, too swift for those who fear, too long for those who grieve, too short for those who rejoice, but for those who love, time is eternity.
I wish well anyone in love. Love is more the absence of negative feelings than a feeling itself. Lack of fear (anxiety for the future) and the absence of sadness (the pull of the past) leaves the gift of living in the moment...in peace.
quote:What is needed, rather than running away or controlling or suppressing or any other resistance, is understanding fear; that means, watch it, learn about it, come directly into contact with it. We are to learn about fear, not how to escape from it.
I also wish well anyone who follows their religion on a path to peace. Those uncomfortable with people who love others of the same sex may be living with a fear...away from the moment...away from peace. Fear is the opportunity through which evil enters the world. It's the playbook of history.
quote:Originally posted by hof1991:
Plus I got as bunch of new cooking tips.
Cooking tips? Heck, I'll give y'all a cooking tip. Learned this the last time I lived in Hawaii.
First, go the ham store, and purchase a ham. I usually go with boneless.
Take 4 pounds of dark brown sugar, add 1/2 teaspoon of cinnamon and 1/4 teaspoon of ground nutmeg. Pour in the syrup from 2 cans of pineapple chunks, and about 1 cup of apple juice. Stir it into a thick, syrupy liquid. Add more apple juice as needed to get the consistency right. Make sure you go light on the nutmeg, because it will overpower the other flavors while the ham is marinating.
Marinate the ham in that syrup, in a pyrex bowl or dutch oven, in the refrigerti for at least 2 days. I also throw in the pineapple chunks, and sometimes slice up a couple of red delicious apples that I bought about a week earlier - you want them to be overly ripe, almost (but not quite) to the point of spoiled. That's when their flavor is at its richest.
After 2 days, or even 3, take the dish out of the refrigerator and let it warm to room temperature for a couple of hours. Pop it in the oven at 325, and bake until done. If it's not the best ham you've ever eaten, PM me, and I'll send you back a reply blaming the whole thing on Henry somehow.
I think the gays get too much attention already to be honest. I could care less what your sexual choices are. I don't agree with it and I don't think its what god intended, but I don't know for sure, and neither does anyone else. Can we not talk football here anymore? I have friends and family that are gay and I think its wrong, but I don't treat them differently.
quote:Originally posted by tsr86free:
Is idiocy wrong?
Ypu should look in the mirror and ask yourself
Oooh. Nice. You stay classy, whoever you are. Try not to catch teh gay.
Future advice- talk football in the topics not labeled "Gay athletes coming out of the closet."
I was just stating my opinion. I respect all regardless of sexual orietation, I just don't necessarily agree with it. If we met, I would be nothing but warm and cordial regardless.
Be glad that you're not an hermaphrodite and call it a day.
quote:and I don't think its what god intended
Just like how women should be subservient to men because it's quoted in the bible?
I am a born and raised Christian, but it's stuff like this that drives me crazy. It's the year 2013. We need to evolve beyond some of this stuff and so does the church.
I stated I didn't know for sure, neither do you T'S. I haven't seen the newly released 2013 evolved version of the bible yet either. The one that let's each reader choose what is right and what is not....
There's a bit of a contradiction there, no? If you could care less you'd have no opinion of it.quote:I could care less what your sexual choices are. I don't agree with it and I don't think its what god intended
quote:Originally posted by titmfatied:There's a bit of a contradiction there, no? If you could care less you'd have no opinion of it.quote:I could care less what your sexual choices are. I don't agree with it and I don't think its what god intended
I guess I should have stated that I don't feel it matters enough to get all the public attention IMO.
If these folks had equal rights they could go on about living their lives in peace and there would be nothing to raise to the public's attention.
quote:Originally posted by Ryan Grant:
...I don't think its what god intended,....
Let me ask you these two questions:
1. If God created us all, if he didn't intend homosexuality then why does it occur in every species?
2. Do you think an all-loving God would condemn one of his children simply for whom they love?
I was raised Christian and even studied the bible with seminary scholars. What I find is that most people don't even know how to read the bible. You MUST read passages in their entirety or you lose (and even change) the meaning completely.
If you go by what was originally in the bible, gay or not, that ham sandwich is a damning offense. Thank God Jesus came along and liked to barbeque so we can enjoy pork butt today.