LOVE the last sentence....
@SteveLuke posted:And the Pack brings him back for another go round at a not exactly discounted $6M.
That's likely the top end and his base is probably less than half that.
$6 million seems maybe a bit high, but as already mentioned, that's probably the contract with incentives. I'm okay with this re-sign. I hope his play prices GB out of his 2022 services
@michiganjoe posted:That's likely the top end and his base is probably less than half that.
Hope you're correct and you probably are, because based upon his career to date, Kevin King has "earned" a base annual salary of <$3M.
And, assuming you're correct, that undoubtedly means that no other NFL team was willing to give the 26 year-old King a base salary of even $3M to play CB for them in 2021.
Makes sense for King to take the best deal possible for himself.
I'm sure the Green & Gold faithful will welcome him back to Green Bay with open arms.
And for those who insist poor Kev is being picked on for just 1 bad game against Tampa Bay, here is an article from late 2020 detailing just how shitty he was all season.
@SteveLuke posted:
...Hopefully, there is still time for Rodgers to re-structure his deal so Gutey can bring back Tyler Lancaster, Raven Greene, and Will Redmon.
Only if he learns how to catch. He's partially to blame for the TD at the end of the 1st half.....a 7th grader could've caught that int, and he certainly should have.
We might as well resign Bostick while we’re at it.
Here we are again with the Packers GM not being active in FA.
We have a front row seat to the end of an era.
Maaan, God is good. Feeling blessed for the fam and excited about the opportunity. 🗣 100Mil 👑🤟🏾
— Kevin King (@King_kevvoo) March 23, 2021
The name Joe Barry always reminds me of Joe Barry Carroll who, unfortunately for him got the moniker Joe Barely Cares.
I hope we don’t have to revisit that in a couple of years.
Yep.
It lessens the need at CB some, but if the #Packers go BPA and it's a CB, there should be no hesitation. https://t.co/vlfNOik7lE
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) March 23, 2021
I'm not surprised that King came back to the Packers. I am surprised he's getting $6m. I would have thought $3m, tops. He would have been worth it at $3m and doubtful you'd do better on the open market for that price. But I have to believe they could have done better than King for $6m. I mean Fuller signed with the Broncos for $10m.
I do have hope that King's struggles last year were injury related. But problem is, he's always injured!! And with his slight frame and 4 year NFL history, he will be injured again this year.
@H5 posted:Who's Joe Barry Carroll?
Not a terrible NBA center from the early 80s. He put up 20+ points on over 50% shooting several years and was a shot blocker at 7 feet tall for the Warriors.
His worst sin was not his doing. He was the #1 pick in the 1980 draft and the Celtics traded that pick to the Warriors for a player and the #3 pick. The problem was that the player was Robert Parish and the #3 pick was Kevin McHale.
Good move. If they can get 2019 King who was at least an average starting NFL CB this will be a bargain.
If you had told me a year ago that the cap would be really restricted in 2021 and the Packers would still find a way to keep Clark, Bahk, Jones and King while losing only Linsley I would have said that's some outstanding work by the front office.
Draft a CB early and let him and King fight over that left CB spot. The loser can play nickel.
@PackerHawk posted:Draft a CB early and let him and King fight over that left CB spot. The loser can play nickel.
That's what I think this is about. King gets one more shot to earn his keep, and they're hoping to snag a Sam Shields/Tramon type in the draft or off the street. They know what they have in KK, so give him one last chance to play better or he only plays as a 5th DB. His effort will be just as important as performance if he wants a contract after 2021, wherever that might be. If they find a guy who can be serviceable they coach him up for the second half of the season and make the switch. King gets incentive to show up and work, and it's up to him how he utilizes the opportunity.
Looking at the ransom the NYG just paid for Adoree, the King move may be the safer bet, in terms of an uncertain cap, teams overreaching out of need/desperation and banking on new guys to fit a defensive scheme.
Giants are gonna be boom or bust this year they way they're throwing money around, BUT that division is already weak.
The main number for the King contract is signing bonus and guaranteed $$$$. It could be a $6MM package but he could be cut late in training camp and brought back after week 1 for a much reduced rate. The Packers now have complete control of him except for the week he could be cut. If he signs elsewhere during that week, the Pack saved $6MM minus whatever signing bonus.
@ammo posted:The main number for the King contract is signing bonus and guaranteed $$$$. It could be a $6MM package but he could be cut late in training camp and brought back after week 1 for a much reduced rate. The Packers now have complete control of him except for the week he could be cut. If he signs elsewhere during that week, the Pack saved $6MM minus whatever signing bonus.
That and the per-game bonus for being on the active roster is what to watch. It could be 2 million guaranteed and then 250K for each game on the active roster. I would bet that there are substantial per-game active bonuses, maybe not 250K per game, but something major. His biggest weakness has always been availability (and he probably shouldn't have been active for the NFC title game).
https://www.acmepackingcompany...is-a-poor-investment
This guy does not mince words:
First of all, Kevin King is bad. King had 5 Total Points Saved last year, which effectively makes him a replacement-level cornerback.
PFF has been just as down on him, perhaps even more so. In 2020 he earned a putrid 55.7 grade. In 2017 and 2018, he earned grades of 51 and 56.6, respectively. 2019 was the outlier where he reached 62.5.Even in his peak season of 2019, with all of those interceptions, King graded out as exactly average. His 2017 was seventh percentile, his 2018 was 35th percentile, and his 2020 was 31st percentile. As far as corners who actually play go, King has been pretty bad.
The reasonable upside with King is pretty low, but the floor is extremely low. His tackling is horrendous, making him a target of opposing offenses in space. Injuries have completely sapped him of his once-elite athleticism, which leads to him having to play a gambling game of either giving an immense amount of cushion to underneath routes or being susceptible to vertical threats, particularly when the defense is in a one-high situation
King has played in only 64% of the Packers’ regular season games since he entered the league in 2017. He’s had injuries to virtually every part of his lower body at this point, and has a particular propensity for muscle strains. When King plays banged up, as he did in the NFC Championship Game, it can be an absolute disaster. His lack of athleticism at this point leaves next to no margin for error, so if he’s five or ten percent worse than baseline, he becomes effectively unplayable.
@Thunderbird posted:yeah, but for 6 Mill, couldn't they sign a guy like Steve Austin? He's got some closing speed, and a pretty decent vertical.
Gimme a hell yeah!
King isn't someone you win with, as a starter. He's a liability. Nickel back would be a good spot for him. Still hoping for Hayward to come back.
As good or bad as King is, he’s a big upgrade over Josh Jackson. That’s the real problem. How bad do you have to be to not even challenge King?
@Tschmack posted:As good or bad as King is, he’s a big upgrade over Josh Jackson. That’s the real problem. How bad do you have to be to not even challenge King?
Especially when King was a game-time decision with a bad back.
@Phil posted:King isn't someone you win with, as a starter.
He played in and started 13 games in '20. The Packers were 11-2 in those games. I'm not saying he hasn't had his bad moments, but to flat out say they can't win with him as a starter is factually inaccurate.
I'm a little worried about Austin's medical history.
@H5 posted:He played in and started 13 games in '20. The Packers were 11-2 in those games. I'm not saying he hasn't had his bad moments, but to flat out say they can't win with him as a starter is factually inaccurate.
I think you misinterpret what I mean by "win with". What I mean is, King doesn't play winning football. He's someone you can, and do win with, but more often than not you win in spite of him rather than because of him. He has had good games over the years, but he seems to often have problems winning his matchups. His technique seems very poor and he looks to play stiff and seems very susceptible to quick breaks by the WR.
The Packers won games with Ahmad Carroll too. My point is that when the defense plays poorly, it's usually because the other team found a way to take advantage of King or Sullivan on the matchup. He's like Bernardo Harris, Jude Waddy, AJ Hawk, Tyrone Williams, Jarrett Bush, Vaughn Booker. You can win with those guys. You just can't win with a team full of those guys.
I half expected him back and think his terribleness in the eyes of fans has taken a life of its own, but 6 million seems a little absurd
Someone is going to be the weak link. The coaches need to limit exposure and help mask that deficiency as much as possible.
And of course the weak link needs listen, learn and follow instructions.
Kevin King (Packers) five years, final four void automatically if on roster 23rd day preceeding 1st day 2022 lg yr, $3.75M (gtd), $3.75M signing bonus, $1M salary, $200K per-game active roster bonus, $1M playtime, playoffs incentive
— Aaron Wilson (@AaronWilson_NFL) March 25, 2021
@Pikes Peak posted:Someone is going to be the weak link. The coaches need to limit exposure and help mask that deficiency as much as possible.
And of course the weak link needs listen, learn and follow instructions.
Something tells me he's Damarious Randall-like in the areas covered by that last sentence.
@Chongo posted:Kevin King (Packers) five years, final four void automatically if on roster 23rd day preceeding 1st day 2022 lg yr, $3.75M (gtd), $3.75M signing bonus, $1M salary, $200K per-game active roster bonus, $1M playtime, playoffs incentive
— Aaron Wilson (@AaronWilson_NFL) March 25, 2021
That is ridiculously rich to me....
Really a one year 4.75M deal. Hoping for about a 3M deal with incentives so that's a little disappointing.
@YATittle posted:That is ridiculously rich to me....
200k per game bonus? Hopefully he can actually get some of that money if he can stay healthy.