King lands on the list of early DB picks since 2015 that includes Randall, Rollins, and Josh Jackson. That’s a lot of early draft capital to end up needing a CB.
Gute needs to go the FA route and bring in a known entity. He can not try and draft another CB early in the draft.
Um, all those guys were drafted by TT. The one early round DB Gute drafted is an all-pro.
It's a sad day when Chilli's heart just isn't in it anymore.
Gute drafted Josh Jackson as well
If you watch that play, King's problem is he has zero technique. He's running half sideways down the field, like he's trying to look into the backfield as well to see if the ball is coming his way. He drifts way to the inside like he's protecting a move in and gets at least a yard or two away from Miller, which gives the speedster an unimpeded straight shot down the sideline where King has zero help. Then King runs half-cockeyed, which puts him further behind. What King really doesn't have besides a brain and speed is hip swivel. None. He's a lineman in a DB body.
We will miss you, Kelvin!
King is an idiot. Just doesn’t understand his profession, and likely never will. Athletically gifted and has great size, though. Some idiot team will think they can coach him up. Good luck with that.
Breaking News: Kevin King becomes new CIO of NFL.
CIO -- Career Is Over
Quite the Packer finale for Kevin King:
"Brady might have struggled mightily with Jaire Alexander, but the six-time Super Bowl winner picked on Kevin King ... mercilessly with a trip to the Super Bowl on the line at Lambeau Field.
King gave up five catches for 66 yards, including a 15-yard touchdown to Mike Evans on third down on the first drive and a 39-yard touchdown to Scotty Miller on the final play of the first half. He was also in coverage on a 9-yard completion to Evans to start the final drive and was penalized for defensive pass interference on third down a few plays later, essentially ending the contest."
Brady’s passer rating when targeting King was 140.2.
And yet, Pettine never saw to give him any help? Or switch to... anyone else? Or blitz a little more so Brady didn't have as much time? The hubris of it all...
They had less confidence in putting anyone else out there because Gutey.
@Fandame posted:If you watch that play, King's problem is he has zero technique. He's running half sideways down the field, like he's trying to look into the backfield as well to see if the ball is coming his way. He drifts way to the inside like he's protecting a move in and gets at least a yard or two away from Miller, which gives the speedster an unimpeded straight shot down the sideline where King has zero help. Then King runs half-cockeyed, which puts him further behind. What King really doesn't have besides a brain and speed is hip swivel. None. He's a lineman in a DB body.
That's always been his rap. Since college. Always struggles with slot type quicks. His deep speed wasn't supposed to be a problem but it looks like everyone on the D and on the sideline thought that pass was going to go somewhere from 5 to 10 yards down field to get them into FG range. That's why he was peeking inside and took himself completely out of the play.
You know a play is jaw droppingly bad when an announcer yells out half laughing "Oh my god!" in disbelief that the D/DB let that play happen.
@Boris posted:Breaking News: Kevin King becomes new CIO of NFL.
CIO -- Career Is Over
A lot depends on whether he was playing hurt. If he was gutting it out and they didn't alter the scheme to help him, that's coaching.
The fact that they have the best cover corner in the NFL who can take away half the field and they didn't have safety help shaded to King's side to prevent just exactly what happened .on that first-half TD play is beyond puzzling.
I wouldn't even bring Kevin King back for league minimum.
Is Jerry Gray the DB coach? Couldn’t do much with the 2nd rounder, eh.
@PackLandVA posted:Is Jerry Gray the DB coach? Couldn’t do much with the 2nd rounder, eh.
One thing that was telling was that after that TD before the half, King on the sidelines was half grinning. Like an "Okay, you got me" grin on his face, as if it was a scrimmage. It's hard to project, but none of his teammates were coming over and telling him it was okay, that he'd get them next time, we got your back, etc. And his whole demeanor and how his teammates reacted made me wonder how open he is to coaching: does he think he's better than he really is? And then you watch the rest of the backfield when they make a play. The only guy going way overboard celebrating a hit is King, even if the catch is 15 yards down the field.
What it makes me wonder about is the coachability of King, and if he thinks he's "all that and more." He sees more action because no one throws to Jaire's side, so he gets more chances to make plays -- does that give him an inflated sense of self? I guess what I really wanted him to do after that TD yesterday was to look pissed off, to be angry at how he could let it happen, to be upset at letting the team down. Instead, he looked almost... "oh, well. Next time I'll get him."
Maybe it's projecting, but when you see the progress of some of the other DBs like Savage, Greene, etc., and you see how King has stayed at a plateau forever, ya gotta wonder... In the end, I'll be glad to see him gone.
I've been thinking that for awhile now, I don't like his body language, didn't like him in the interview room, and definitely don't like his play.
Good synopsis of Kevin King's Packer career from Demovsky.
King is a backup at best. The kind of money he will want won't warrant keeping him around. It wasn't a busted first-round pick, but it wasn't anywhere near Jaire Alexander...nor Darnell Savage even. IF King had a great injury history, it may be worth keeping him...but he doesn't, and the older he gets the less likely he will. If he leaves and goes on to be Micah Hyde, so be it. But IMO, it's not worth the risk for what he will command. Plenty of vets out there, maybe a bit longer in the tooth, that will command half of what he will get.
@michiganjoe posted:Why is cornerback one of the Packers' big needs? See Kevin King's final week
Good synopsis of Kevin King's Packer career from Demovsky.
Read that a little bit ago. I think Demovsky nailed it in that story and I agree it just isn't worth paying him. I think the talent is there but he is hurt so much and lately has been playing soft and IMHO is not worth the investment. Hate to see a starter go but if you cannot rely upon them well so be it.
Talent is there but unfortunately so too often is inconsistency. That lapse before the half is one of those plays that'll stick with me forever and if that's his last game as a Packer he certainly went out on a very low note.
We will see how the market plays out, but it would not surprise me if King's market interest in FA is fairly flat. He has a significant availability issue having missed a large chunk of games as a starter. And his injuries haven't been one issue. One year it's a shoulder, then it's a quad "bruise" that cost him 5 weeks, then it's a back injury at probably the most inopportune time you can have one.
Even if King was willing to come back on a one year "prove it" deal, it wouldn't surprise me if the Packers move on anyway.
I've seen quite a bit of speculation that King's miserable last game might make him an affordable option for the Packers. He could be affordable, but I don't think the team would be interested in anything other than moving on.
Yeah King is what he is, probably a good backup with some ball skills and a willingness to tackle. He's the classic AJ Hawk player where you can accept the fact that they get dinged up a lot or they play hard or they do some things well, but only if their cost is low. You can't pay starter money to a guy like that with his deficiencies. If we're paying him a low risk, team friendly deal that matches his output then I would love to have him. When he's ON he's ON and he's a good CB. When he's off or medium though, which is the majority of the time, he's very obviously off.
I think they should have played Tramon. He couldn't have been worse.
@YATittle posted:I think they should have played Tramon. He couldn't have been worse.
There is zero chance that Tramon would have gotten beat over the top at the end of the first half. He might have given up a 15 yard out for an easy FG, but he was not going to get beat deep (unless it was a contested jump-ball situation).
@MichiganPacker2 posted:There is zero chance that Tramon would have gotten beat over the top at the end of the first half. He might have given up a 15 yard out for an easy FG, but he was not going to get beat deep (unless it was a contested jump-ball situation).
He got beat in OT against Seattle
@Packiderm posted:He got beat in OT against Seattle
"Slight" difference in the difficulty of the pass and the quality of the coverage. Tramon can't play this much better.
You could drive a truck in between King and his assignment.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:"Slight" difference in the difficulty of the pass and the quality of the coverage. Tramon can't play this much better.
WTF is Dillon doing in coverage there? 
The last CB I know of who wore number 28 when Tramon Williams was playing was Tony Brown. That was in 2019.
Tramon would have had to start backpedaling well before the ball was snapped. Seattle was a long time ago.
@Ghost of Lambeau posted:The last CB I know of who wore number 28 when Tramon Williams was playing was Tony Brown. That was in 2019.
This is Sean Richardson
@GBFanForLife posted:Tramon would have had to start backpedaling well before the ball was snapped. Seattle was a long time ago.
As someone pointed out on this forum last month, Jaire Alexander did start backpedaling at the snap on the same play and he's the best cover CB in the NFL.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:This is Sean Richardson
So it goes back further than I thought.
Well, yeah. The pic is from the 2014 NFCC Game.
I know others have mentioned it, but the REAL LOSER of that Buc game is Pettine, to know going in that KING was not healthy, shade NO HELP to him even after Brady started cutting him up like a shark, make NO ADJUSTMENTS, especially on that Hail Mary play.
INCOMPETENCE!
Glad he's gone.
Good luck Bears.
Good luck Bears.
????? He isn't the DC.
No but he’s a consultant to the DC. We can only hope...
Maybe he’ll do as well “consulting” the Bears’ defense as The Rug did “consulting” the queens’ defense.
