Watt continues to get better too.
King obviously has the talent to play at a high level. Frustrating.
Bad Luck or Bad Genes ??
Well, let's just hope it was some unfortunate circumstances to start his career, and he is able to come around and play a full season up to his standards. Doesn't sound like a guy one would consider a "malingerer," but rather one who just met up with some unfortunate stuff health wise. Man, if he can bring it this year, he could be a major difference maker. Good player. Just needs to stay healthy and available.
Passing on Watt? I couldn't fathom that, considering our needs in pass rush. That was a horrific trade down, considering TJ was there for us to take. PIT wasted ZERO time trading up. Ugh.
I think it’s unfair to link King to TJ. King can play. Just needs to stay healthy. King selection was a byproduct of Randall and Rollins. Randall and Rollins happened because the team felt Hayward was expendable. The organization as a whole mismanaged the CB position from 2014 to 2018. Lots of hands involved in that 5 year mess.
Alexander pick was huge. Amos and Savage at S should help calm the corners. Law firm of Smith, Smith and Gary certainly helps. If Josh Jackson figures things out...it’s a decent defense.
Oh, yeah! Could be absolutely spectacular. King's numbers were better than Richard Sherman's coming in, or very close. He's a player. Just hoping for the very best for him this season and beyond with the Packers. Loving our additions to the secondary this year. And, yes, Josh Jackson may be making a giant leap this season, yr 2 in Pettine's system. Hoping so.
"You can't help the club if you can't stay our the tub."
Until King says healthy, it's all speculation as to how good he is/can be.
Linking him to Watt may not be not fair to King personally, but from an overall historical perspective it's fair. Gute (who was there) admitted last year that everyone in the Packers draft room was on board with TJW. Everyone, that is, except one person. I don't think it is a coincidence that it was Ted Thompson's last draft. As soon as he traded back with Watt on the board, whomever he took, the 2 players were going to be forever linked under those circumstances.
It's fair because it was a giant turdsmear on TT's legacy, including, like you say, mismanaging the CB position all those years. It was the culmination of all that fail rolled into one highly visible first round TT moment.
Water under the bridge at this point, and I'm sure King would like to stop hearing about it, but unless and until he can string together some productive games, it's not likely he will. It's part of the drama and price you pay for being a high draft pick.
Bottom line: King has got to stay on the field this year and earn his salary, that's all there is to it. Only he can unlink his name from that other player at this point.
Chongo posted:"You can't help the club if you can't stay our the tub."
Until King says healthy, it's all speculation as to how good he is/can be.
So insanely true.
packerboi posted:It's put up or shut up time for King
In two seasons, King has played in just 15 games and finished only 10 of those. King has played just 32.4% of the defensive snaps since arriving in Green Bay.
King (6-3, 200) has the size and speed (4.43) to be a major contributor. Through two years, though, he’s been a major disappointment.
He'll shut up. His body is shit.
Your body is shit. 
Hey, it's not fair to compare these 2 straight up. Remember we also got Vince Beagle out of the deal!
Former Packers OLB Nick Perry remains unsigned
Putting this here because King's career appears to be trending in the same direction as Nick's, if you get my drift.
6th round Ka'Dar Holman is already catching the eye of Mike Pettine. Yes, nothing will be known until pads come on, but I would not be surprised if he gives King a run for his money. Holman just works his ass off from everyone who's been around him and he just keeps proving doubters wrong. He had an impressive OTA and mini-camp but we'll see what he looks like with pads on.
As for Perry, it's pretty damning considering he's a pass rusher and can't get a sniff anywhere. My guess would be he doesn't land on a roster unless a team gets decimated at OLB with injuries. Hope he saved that $$$
PackerHawk posted:Your body is shit.
Hey, it's not fair to compare these 2 straight up. Remember we also got Vince Beagle out of the deal!
**** you. Haven't had an injury in 6 months. I've dominated every couch I've laid on during that time.
So how many couches have you gotten laid on in the past six months?
Thanks Fedya. Most people think know I'm a virgin...just like you.
It's sad when you forget recent high draft picks are even still on the team.
Goalline posted:Thanks Fedya. Most people think know I'm a virgin...just like you.
It's OK, beef would hit you. 
This D needs KK to be healthy all year. Really don't have great options at CB#2.
DH13 posted:This D needs KK to be healthy all year. Really don't have great options at CB#2.
Best to GM the team so this is not the case.
PackLandVA posted:It's sad when you forget recent high draft picks are even still on the team.
Maybe if they’d quit getting high?
They will be ok if they read the handbook for the recently high.
With this team's history of injuries, they may be better off reading The Handbook For The Recently Deceased.
packerboi posted:As for Perry, it's pretty damning considering he's a pass rusher and can't get a sniff anywhere. My guess would be he doesn't land on a roster unless a team gets decimated at OLB with injuries. Hope he saved that $$$
I am kind of surprised that even with Glass Joe Perry's injury history I would have thought that someone would have signed him by now. Perhaps in NFL circles they know that he is not only injury prone but soft and isn't worth the investment?
I'm surprised he hasn't gotten any country club endorsements.
How is he soft? Dude was constantly playing with something broken on his hand.
McVince and Wizard Country Club. He was apparently a charter member.
Everyone is waiting to see who gets injured/cut in camp. Why pay an injury-prone vet at this point? Just wait and see. When you're desperate enough and he's (his agent) desperate enough, he'll be on someone's roster.
Doesn't sound great about CB Kevin King. Said coach Matt LaFleur: "We'll know a little bit more in the next couple of days." King's 2018 season ended because of a hamstring injury, too. LaFleur said thus doesn't necessarily have to do with that injury.
King is more like a joker at this point. His schtick is getting old... yet another year on IR is not a good way to make a team in the NFL. Playing 15 games in two years is not devastatingly bad (who was the Bears receiver who was drafted and didn't play for like two years?), but it ain't good.
What "schtick" is that? Seems like you're implying he's faking injury to collect a paycheck. I haven't seen anyone with the organization intimate he's slacking or not putting in rehab effort. Do those reports exist?
I guess I just don't see bad luck as a "schtick".
Who is deals with pain more than an NFL player? Who trains and rehabs harder than an NFL player? These are elite athletes that can do incredible things. Let’s also not forget the physicality involved in what they do.
To me, the mental toughness is what separates some from others. Pain tolerance.
But you don’t fake some of these injuries. If King has a serious hamstring injury (especially a torn hamstring) he could miss months. And like any injury, the body never quite heals the same meaning you are probably more susceptible to repeat or future injuries.
The bottom line is TT gambled on King (and Biegel for that matter) and lost badly. But TT isn’t the first nor the last GM to make those type of mistakes. History will show TT was a brilliant GM but he’s not infallible. Neither was Ron Wolf.
My only disappointment was we could have had TJ Watt instead. Maybe one player wouldn’t have made a difference but look at all the moves that happened after that. Would they have handled Nick Perry and CMIII the same? Would they have drafted differently the last 2 years? Free agents. It’s a domino effect.
Henry posted:King is a very talented bust.
If King isn't careful he is going to make Justin Harrell look good.
If King doesn’t play another down he’s already been more impactful than Bustin Harrell. That was an awful pick.
mr21mr21 posted:
I'm glad that worked out so well for da queens! Most every Packer fan guessed the outcome of da queens' "having all the pieces" plan in place. Love that INT to give NO the ball and the momentum to win the NFCCG! Another queens' season ending without a ring and all because #4 threw that INT and also because the vikings suck!
mrtundra posted:mr21mr21 posted:
I'm glad that worked out so well for da queens! Most every Packer fan guessed the outcome of da queens' "having all the pieces" plan in place. Love that INT to give NO the ball and the momentum to win the NFCCG! Another queens' season ending without a ring and all because #4 threw that INT and also because the vikings suck!
It was great to see Favre choke away another season for a team other than GB for a change. I know he was a great player, but he had some awful good teams in that run and I think he cost us more championships that he won for us. I don't miss him and the drama and constant interceptions.
#Packers GM Brian Gutekunst on Kevin King (hamstring): Says he’s not too concerned, doesn’t feel it’s long term. Happened at end of family night.
— Jim Owczarski (@JimOwczarski) August 5, 2019
michiganjoe posted:#Packers GM Brian Gutekunst on Kevin King (hamstring): Says he’s not too concerned, doesn’t feel it’s long term. Happened at end of family night.
— Jim Owczarski (@JimOwczarski) August 5, 2019
Quite frankly...if Gute didn't have man boobs I would feel a lot better about his medical assessments. But that's just me I guess.
