1) I was over the loss the very moment the kick went through.
2) Because if the Packer front office as well as LaFleur is so blind to what we dum dums could see coming with special teams all year...why should I invest any emotional well-being in that failure? They are the idiots...not me.
@Henry posted:After the Rizzi thing do we even know if Mayo has full say on his coaching staff? I'm going on the assumption he made the hire and therefore deserves the blame but that question isn't unreasonable.
I agree there's no way to know for sure, but I have to believe LaFleur had some say in the manner. As you've said before, it's not necessarily just LaFleur, it's kind of a full organizational failure that dates to long before LaFleur was hired. Maybe he's given a limited budget and guys like Drayton are all he can really look at?
@Henry posted:After the Rizzi thing do we even know if Mayo has full say on his coaching staff? I'm going on the assumption he made the hire and therefore deserves the blame but that question isn't unreasonable.
He could have stepped in front of the mic and said we are moving on. Make make Murphy say no publicly.
A leader has stones. MLF doesn’t.
This is no different than MM not moving on from Zook when we all fucking knew what was coming. It’s the fucking same show. Sadly, MM will have more rings in GB than MLF.
@Maynard posted:Rodgers had his magical mystery tour this year and it amounted to the same shit of him coming up short in the playoffs. Yes the special teams sucked but a regular offense could have put this away. It’s done. Time to reshape the franchise. Keeping Rodgers isn’t going to do anyone a world of good. Move forward and deal with it.
Exactly. The special teams will be crucified, rightly so, but at the end of the day, SF had 13 points on the board. Who could have possibly guessed that would be enough against a GB offense led by an MVP Qb, all-pro WR, at home, with frigid temps? If I told you before the game that our defense would only give up 6 points, how much would you have bet on the Packers?
@vitaflo posted:Not this shit again.
You think Tee Higgins brings more to the game today than Jordan Love?
@Blair Kiel posted:1) I was over the loss the very moment the kick went through.
2) Because if the Packer front office as well as LaFleur is so blind to what we dum dums could see coming with special teams all year...why should I invest any emotional well-being in that failure? They are the idiots...not me.
The moment that punt got blocked for the easy TD is when I sort of mentally reverted from anger to just pure laughter at how bad our special teams really are. It wasn't worth getting mad over the game after that. The special teams was just such a clown show I just sort of took it for comedy and it made the loss sting less for me.
@Henry posted:After the Rizzi thing do we even know if Mayo has full say on his coaching staff? I'm going on the assumption he made the hire and therefore deserves the blame but that question isn't unreasonable.
It's an interesting question, but I have to think he basically has control, but Ball/Murphy have salary veto power.
@Blair Kiel posted:1) I was over the loss the very moment the kick went through.
2) Because if the Packer front office as well as LaFleur is so blind to what we dum dums could see coming with special teams all year...why should I invest any emotional well-being in that failure? They are the idiots...not me.
Me too. I'm still very disappointed, but not nearly as much as the two previous years. Bonehead decision to keep Drayton when things were unraveling, let alone hire him in the first place. My feeling was that if they couldn't beat SF and JG, they had no business moving on to face far better opponents. They would only get embarrassed.
And let’s not forget that Cobb just came back after missing the last five games. He’s still not 100%, yet that was the other guy the Niners decided to double up on, in addition to Adams.
What does that tell you about the Niners’ respect for Green Bay’s other pass receiving options?
Brady has lost Chris Godwin AND Antonio Brown, and he still has a 1,000 receiver in Mike Evans, and Rob Gronkowski.
When was the last time Green Bay had a legit #2 receiver?
When we lost Donald Driver in the Super Bowl, we had Jordy Nelson waiting in the wings, and he broke through on the biggest of stages. Greg Jennings was a Peo Bowler, and James Jones, outside of that dropped pass that would have been six, was reliable.
Who on Green Bay’s roster right now looks like a future star? Rodgers? Don’t make me laugh. He has yet to show anything.
ESB and Lazard are just warm bodies. Yet that’s who Rodgers was expected to throw to in the playoffs when the best receiver in the game was taken out of the game.
@Blair Kiel posted:1) I was over the loss the very moment the kick went through.
2) Because if the Packer front office as well as LaFleur is so blind to what we dum dums could see coming with special teams all year...why should I invest any emotional well-being in that failure? They are the idiots...not me.
That's mighty healthy of you. Is that allowed?
@fightphoe93 posted:The moment that punt got blocked for the easy TD is when I sort of mentally reverted from anger to just pure laughter at how bad our special teams really are. It wasn't worth getting mad over the game after that. The special teams was just such a clown show I just sort of took it for comedy and it made the loss sting less for me.
Yeah. Same. At that point it was comedy.
What stings is the 30 years only leading to 2 Trophies. We are a smidge better than this Buffalo Bill Teams.
Offense had 58 total yards in the second half.
Yeah special teams will bear the brunt of this loss but where was the offense? TD on the opening drive then over the last 55 minutes of the game, they put the team in position for only 6 more points (factors in missed FG). That's not good enough.
Well, go Rams. I fucking hate TB.
@CUPackFan posted:Yeah special teams will bear the brunt of this loss but where was the offense? TD on the opening drive then over the last 55 minutes of the game, they put the team in position for only 6 more points (factors in missed FG). That's not good enough.
It was good enough to win this one. Fact.
And really, I don’t give a shit about the rest of this season. Frees up my weekends until next season.
Production by TE/WRs not named Davante Adams.
6 targets
2 catches
6 yards
1 fumble
1 massive drop
Good night you guys. It was a fun season with a disappointing ending. There were a lot of emotions being displayed tonight, which is understandable. Let’s just be sure to respect each other in the morning. We’re too good of a bunch of people to allow this to divide us. Life goes on.
@Harry Manback posted:I think there are probably hundreds of high school coaches that can do better. He’s a disgrace.
We all are guilty of thinking we know as much as guys who have spent their whole lives preparing to be NFL coaches (or NBA, MLB, etc.).
In this case, virtually everyone on this board could have replaced Drayton on the bye week and improve the unit. I'm not joking. All we'd have needed to do was make some calls to former or retired college special teams coaches and talk to them for an hour or so.
They lost tonight not because the kicker, punter, or holder were bad. They lost because the Niners exploited weaknesses in their schemes or special teams personnel that were apparent all year. I'm guessing there will be stories that come out after this season about opposing coaches openly mocking the Packers special teams while watching film.
They cut a competent Long snapper who was 6'3 and 251 pounds to bring in a long snapper that weighed 228. Did they not consider that perhaps he'd be susceptible to some bull rushes up the middle? Like what happened on the punt block that turned the whole momentum of the game.
Amari Rodgers was terrible all year returning kicks and yet he was out there tonight. Luckily he was competent tonight, but the Niners put Deebo Samuel out there and got some nice field position on kick returns. We were content to "not have someone screw up back there" as a ceiling.
@Harry Manback posted:Well, go Rams. I fucking hate TB.
At this point, I’m on the Cincinnati Bengals and Joe Burrow train. The nut twisting pain of this Packers loss can be lessened if the 10-7 Bengals beat Captain America in the Super Bowl, so Brady had 4 losses in the Super Bowl. Fuck him and his fake ass.
@Timpranillo posted:Production by TE/WRs not named Davante Adams.
6 targets
2 catches
6 yards
1 fumble
1 massive drop
The WR/TE room is absolutely stacked heading into 2022.
I mean Lazard, surely Gute brings his boy ESB back, Degaura ... what a dream scenario for the Jordan Love era to begin.
6 passes to anyone not named Adams. FU Rodgers
@vitaflo posted:I can't believe there are people here arguing that the defense is responsible for this loss.
Not sure who is saying the defense is solely responsible. They are a part of a team failure.
ST wins the grand fuck up prize but all elements shit the bed when they needed it most. I still applaud what the stars (Gary, Z, Amos, etc) did but watching Lowry get pushed back five yards and Lancaster moving like a sub-continent you knew what was coming. For all the moxy and fire of some guys the slugs were there to piss on it.
It's okay for a defense to win the game for you. We as Packers fans obviously don't get that.
I will say if this team gets blown up, they are much closer to building a legit defense then they are trying to paste whatever offense is left together.
@BrainDed posted:It was good enough to win this one. Fact.
If they execute simple ST blocking concepts, it should have been 13-3 with Packers punting the ball back to a Jimmy G. QB'd team with about 6 minutes left.
@Harry Manback posted:Let’s just be sure to respect each other in the morning.
If I had a nickel.....
@GBFanForLife posted:6 passes to anyone not named Adams. FU Rodgers
I think we'll have to see on the All 22 film whether Rodgers wouldn't throw to these guys even if they were wide open, or if they just don't get enough separation to be open. I don't think anyone other WR or TE other than Adams is good enough to start for another playoff team - and maybe even start for anyone in the league. They just aren't very good.
@lambeausouth posted:At this point, I’m on the Cincinnati Bengals and Joe Burrow train. The nut twisting pain of this Packers loss can be lessened if the 10-7 Bengals beat Captain America in the Super Bowl, so Brady had 4 losses in the Super Bowl. Fuck him and his fake ass.
I can't root for a team that uses 1st or 2nd round picks on WRs to help the QB. That is a travesty to the game.
@MichiganPacker posted:I think we'll have to see on the All 22 film whether Rodgers wouldn't throw to these guys even if they were wide open, or if they just don't get enough separation to be open. I don't think anyone other WR or TE other than Adams is good enough to start for another playoff team - and maybe even start for anyone in the league. They just aren't very good.
I'm sure there were plays to be had, but every fox replay where they showed anything, Cobb, Lazard, and ESB were blanketed. Literally ZERO separation.
@Harry Manback posted:And really, I don’t give a shit about the rest of this season. Frees up my weekends until next season.
Watch the Bucks. I've always hated Grayson Allen and he's there this year, but Giannis, Holiday, B. Lopez, and Middleton are the types of guys you are genuinely happy for when they have success. No drama from those stars. Just hard work and they all appear to be great people. Holiday won NBA teammate of the year two years ago. Giannis is one of the best stories in sports history.
If you remove the broken play on the wheel route to Jones before the half, the offense ran 40 plays for 64 yards after Big Dog fumbled. That's staggering ineptitude on offense.
@Timpranillo posted:I'm sure there were plays to be had, but every fox replay where they showed anything, Cobb, Lazard, and ESB were blanketed. Literally ZERO separation.
Just because I love to feel like I kicked myself in the balls. The Packers had the 30th pick in the 2020 draft. It would have been nice to have one the two guys drafted 33rd or 34th (Tee Higgins or Michael Pittman) (and an additional 4th rounder).
@vitaflo posted:If you remove the broken play on the wheel route to Jones before the half, the offense ran 40 plays for 64 yards after Big Dog fumbled. That's staggering ineptitude on offense.
Of those 40 plays, there were 4 completions for 40 yards to Adams.
So on the other 36 plays, they netted 24 yards.
If they're going to rebuild I would see what they can get for Rodgers, let Adams walk, release Z, release Preston, release Crosby and go from there.
— Ross Uglem (@RossUglem) January 23, 2022
May want to potentially get out of the Bakhtiari and Aaron Jones deals after 2022. Both have palatable exits. https://t.co/MmHPzN1Szt
@MichiganPacker posted:Just because I love to feel like I kicked myself in the balls. The Packers had the 30th pick in the 2020 draft. It would have been nice to have one the two guys drafted 33rd or 34th (Tee Higgins or Michael Pittman) (and an additional 4th rounder).
Laviska Shenault wen 42
Chase Claypool went 49
Van Jefferson 57
All would be light years better than anything on GB's roster other than Adams.
Next year is our year !
Always.
The operative word here isn't special teams or play calling or defense. It's again. We lost in the playoffs again.
@Iowacheese posted:Next year is our year !
Free beer tomorrow!
Another huge fail. LaFluer is Marty Shottenheimer and 12 is a great regular season QB but is average in the post season. A 5 year old kid could have told the management team mid-season that a change was needed with the special teams coach and yet this FO did nothing and it cost them the season today. Incompetence has been accepted with this (lack of) leadership team. Not sure where to even go from here.
