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From what I can gather Fitzgerald's greatest quality is as a leader and someone who "commands respect", given credit for raising the NW football program to another level.  If he is the leader/motivator some say he is, the Packers could do a lot worse. At this point, based on Fitzgerald's most recent statements, I have to think Murphy's just making a courtesy call to some he has strong ties to.

Falcons were unimpressed with Matt LaFleur’s work, and let him walk before hiring Steve Sarkisian

Different perspective on LaFleur, not sure how to take this. On one hand LaFleur looks like a quality candidate on paper and perhaps Atlanta passing on him in favor of Sarkisian is more an indictment of Dan Quinn than it is of LaFleur. After all he made terrible hires at all 3 coordinator positions and had to clean house. 

On the other hand, Shannahan and McVay have seemingly been fine without LaFleur. Obviously they're the brains of the operation and it's not like LaFleur set the world on fire with the Titans (even though he was saddled with Blaine Gabbert as the backup to oft injured Marriota). 

Playing devils advocate with Murphy on his thinking with Pat Fitzgerald, perhaps he likes the style Northwestern plays with and wants to bring that to GB. I don't think I ever watched PF play, but it seems like all his NW teams are exactly like him: low on talent, but tough and high on effort. Certainly the two NW guys we have on the roster, Lowry and Lancaster, play that way. Perhaps Murphy wants Fitzgerald to change the culture and instill that kind of mentality in the team (something people complained about MM's teams, always called finesse teams) while bringing in a quality NFL staff around him. It's a good thought, if that is his logic, and it could work. I'd like to see a more established NFL guy though, PF has zero NFL experience and I think reaching NFL players seems to be the biggest challenge for college coaches that move up. These guys are professionals, they don't respect hollow rah rah bullshit.  

The Heckler posted

If you figure out what his strengths are please let me know.  I get that Murphy hired him so there is that connection but I just don't see him as a candidate for one of the best jobs in the NFL.  He is good for NW and that is just where he needs to stay.

Urban Meyer? oh god no.  I am stuck in O$U country and I watch all of their games and I would be hard hell no list for him.  He is another college coach that his offense wouldn't work in the NFL and he doesn't care about defense that much.

I am with Henry on thes two coaches (and college coaches overall) that they need to stay in college where they belong.

Willingly or with a gun to your head?

FinnLander posted:
The Heckler posted

If you figure out what his strengths are please let me know.  I get that Murphy hired him so there is that connection but I just don't see him as a candidate for one of the best jobs in the NFL.  He is good for NW and that is just where he needs to stay.

Urban Meyer? oh god no.  I am stuck in O$U country and I watch all of their games and I would be hard hell no list for him.  He is another college coach that his offense wouldn't work in the NFL and he doesn't care about defense that much.

I am with Henry on thes two coaches (and college coaches overall) that they need to stay in college where they belong.

Willingly or with a gun to your head?

A little of both I guess.  My wife is from Ohio and is a huge O$U fan so I watch with her.  But, I also make her watch Badgers games.

Ubetcha posted:
Pakrz posted:

Why do we like Matt LaFleur?

FWIW, LaFleur coached Matt Ryan during his 2016 MVP season. So, although he's also worked with Cousins, RGIII, and DeShone Kizer (Notre Dame), Goff, Mariotta in their early formative years, he's had some success with a veteran as well.

Shannahan was the OC though, based on his body of work with QBs I think it's fair to think he had more to do with Ryan's success rather than LaFleur. 

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Grave Digger posted:
Ubetcha posted:
Pakrz posted:

Why do we like Matt LaFleur?

FWIW, LaFleur coached Matt Ryan during his 2016 MVP season. So, although he's also worked with Cousins, RGIII, and DeShone Kizer (Notre Dame), Goff, Mariotta in their early formative years, he's had some success with a veteran as well.

Shannahan was the OC though, based on his body of work with QBs I think it's fair to think he had more to do with Ryan's success rather than LaFleur. 

Yup, definitely a fair thought. And who really knows how any of these guys with no HC experience will translate. I'm just guessing that a major reason the Packers have even scheduled an interview with him is due to his QB coaching experience. His OC experience is pretty limited. While OC (1 season) for the Rams, McVay called the plays.

Whoever the HC or at least OC is has to be able to reign this shit in. Fennell is 1000% right on this, what is this offense that Rodgers is running? Scared to pull the trigger? I don't understand what the catalyst for this was, because he didn't always play like this? I count 4 open targets on this play, I don't get it.



This is precisely why I contend that Rodgers got MM fired as much as did his assistants. Yes, the offense was stale, but it wasn't a total Dumpster fire. There are open guys but Rodgers doesn't want to risk it. I still think it has to do with his need to make the difficult throw/play and his wanting to have the majority of credit. This isn't the first play we've seen wide open guys and Rodgers not pull the trigger this year, and earlier, but this year was the worst yet. Whatever the reason, a new coach has to be able to sit Rodgers down and say, "Take the play or take a seat until you learn to take what's given." Why should Rodgers be running around in the end zone anyway? 

Eye opening to actually see it, at least for me. Looked to me like 12 had plenty of time and several targets. I’m not sure what’s going on with 12 but he needs to step it up. Just because you want to play until you’re 40 doesn’t mean you can/should.  

Im not going to turn this into a 12 bashing party, but we’ve heard rumors that he doesn’t take to coaching, etc. That may have been a narrow-scoped issue with MM or it could just be how he has evolved through the years. Either way, that’s not going to cut it. The new HC must reign that BS in. 

yea, there are no progressions with AR anymore. IF his 1st or 2nd read is not open he is looking to bail out. I wonder when all that started. The guy looks like he isnt happy unless he is getting 15 yards a pop when taking the easy throw and moving the chains is all that is needed. That is why I believe McDaniels has to be the coach. He has the credibilty with Brady. 

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I wish this could be explained away by a concussion or a knee injury, it happened all year though. I think he was just in a slump in 2018 honestly and couldn't pull the trigger. He lost so much time in 2017 and I think MM took it for granted that he would be Aaron Rodgers again that he didn't take any steps to make sure he was 100% mentally. Didn't help that he was breaking in a new QB coach who probably came in thinking he didn't need to bother AR because he's a fukking legend. The new HC needs to make sure he's challenging AR to play QB like he's supposed to. I think it will be fine, AR is a pro and I have a hunch we're in store for an MVP rebound. 

Dan Campbell checks a lot of boxes. He’s a complete β€œno BS” guy that won’t hesitate to ask Rodgers why he’s not taking the play design. He’s a former TE and he’s great at getting them involved. Something I think Rodgers desperately needs. There are going to be some really good TEs on the board early day 2 and I’d love to see Gute go that route. 

Rodgers is either going to set the league on fire or he’s going to retire after next year. I don’t see any gray area for him in 2019. Personally, I think Rodgers is Rodgers again. But he needs a coach that isn’t shy about getting into his grill if needed. 

Grave Digger posted:

I wish this could be explained away by a concussion or a knee injury, it happened all year though. I think he was just in a slump in 2018 honestly and couldn't pull the trigger. He lost so much time in 2017 and I think MM took it for granted that he would be Aaron Rodgers again that he didn't take any steps to make sure he was 100% mentally. Didn't help that he was breaking in a new QB coach who probably came in thinking he didn't need to bother AR because he's a fukking legend. The new HC needs to make sure he's challenging AR to play QB like he's supposed to. I think it will be fine, AR is a pro and I have a hunch we're in store for an MVP rebound. 

Second coming of Bert? I hope that's not the case, but he's 35 and once you reach that level of stardom "I know better than..." can follow right behind. How does that get walked back enough to salvage the shrinking window he has left? It's one thing to deal with an oversized ego who's performing. But after this season, are we sure 12's game isn't gradually slipping? Add this mental block he may have developed, and it doesn't bode well in terms of $ investment. I want the guy maxing his talents and enjoying playing the game, but at his age he needs to re-invest himself personally. The slate will be wiped as clean as it will ever get. A guy who is intelligent enough to know better than everyone else should also know that it's time to shed some ego for the team and subsequently his own legacy. Bert couldn't do that. It would suck if AR watched 4 up close and didn't ultimately learn from it.

AR has been on record saying that he wants to be coached.  Perhaps, maybe he was missing Van Pelt who was allowed to leave after the 2017 season?  By all reports and his comments he really like him and wasn't happy when the Packers let him walk.  

Anyhow, maybe AR just needed to have a fresh slate and hopefully the new staff will give him the breath of fresh air he probably needs.  I would bet really good money on the fact that Gute and Murphy will bring up #12 and working with him in their interview process.

michiganjoe posted:

Another name into the mix.

Not sure how much Carmichael had to do with the resurrection of Drew Brees, but if he was a major player this is the guy I want.   The Saints O scheme is great too. 

I don't think he's becoming Favre at all. Favre was selfish pure and simple, I think he understood that he wasn't being a team player, but he knew the power he wielded and he was going to get whatever he wanted while he was still able to get it. That's why he reacted so strongly when TT and MM told him they weren't playing this game anymore, they were moving on with Aaron. I don't get that sense from Rodgers. I think he's a pro and I think he understands his place in the scheme of things...$200M QB or not. I think he legitimately is here to win championships and leave a positive legacy, Favre was here to collect a paycheck and have fun playing football. I think the new coach will be able to get Rodgers to refocus, he will have to, he's learning a new scheme.

Grave Digger posted:

Whoever the HC or at least OC is has to be able to reign this shit in. Fennell is 1000% right on this, what is this offense that Rodgers is running? Scared to pull the trigger? I don't understand what the catalyst for this was, because he didn't always play like this? I count 4 open targets on this play, I don't get it.



 

I'm sorry.  Did he just say the Packers oline was graded as the best oline by PFF, which he highly respects?  That is the stupidest ****ing thing I've ever heard.  Dix is a top safety and AJ Hawk was always at the top of his game.  PFF is a ****ing joke.

STFU Fennell.

Are you ****ing kidding me on the first clip?  I can see having a beef with not hitting Kumerow underneath but then you point out the receiver 30 yards down the field with a DE in hot pursuit out of the pocket?

STFU Fennell.

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I don’t care who you are, you need coaching and to be open to it. If you can’t be open to coaching, your career will be a lot shorter β€”or longer, but on the bench. Again, I think much of Rodgers’ issue this year was the INT records. It just looked like once he got on a roll with no INTs that he wasn’t going to come close to risking it. Even when guys were wide open, they weren’t open enough. Now that he has those records (1.5%, 2 in 16 games and 597 attempts) maybe he can be freer to let it go. 

Maybe his game is slipping, but if so then it’s his mental game more than physical game. If he goes back to stepping into his throws and moving the chains instead of always the bomb, he will once again be MVP.

So Rodgers is responsible for a coach who doesn't coach?  Kizer and Boyle are trotting over analysis to McVince on the sidelines about what they're actually doing on offense and that's on Rodgers.  Okay.  Jesus ****ing Christ, this is the stuff that drives me nuts.  When exactly does McVince take any responsibility for not ****ing coaching?

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Henry posted: 

I'm sorry.  Did he just say the Packers oline was graded as the best oline by PFF, which he highly respects?  That is the stupidest ****ing thing I've ever heard.  Dix is a top safety and AJ Hawk was always at the top of his game.  PFF is a ****ing joke.

STFU Fennell.

Are you ****ing kidding me on the first clip?  I can see having a beef with not hitting Kumerow underneath but then you point out the receiver 30 yards down the field with a DE in hot pursuit out of the pocket?

STFU Fennell.

I think they were graded as either the top or one of the top pass blocking OL's by PFF, Rodgers was also graded 6th best QB, which I think is the entire point of this breakdown. How can both me true yet the offense was so stagnant? I agree with you, I don't particularly see the value in PFF's highly subjective ratings, and I think Fennell is pointing out the inconsistency. I think he's trying to be professional and not start shit with PFF, but he's also pointing out that it's ludicrous that Rodgers is rated that highly as they're not taking into account missed opportunities like this. 

I've said it before, I wish someone (I wish I had the time) would look at Rodgers sacks the last 3 years and determine how many should actually charged to the OL and how many should be charged to Rodgers. I think that would be an eye opening stat because I think he takes more sacks that the OL is unfairly charged with. 

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