Gutey
Fitz
Pettine, Kafka
Get a ST wizard and position coaches who can coach and I'm in.
Of course I retain a the right to bitch if it doesn't work, as Elaine Benes once said, "hey, Im just a fan".
Packers still planning Pat Fitzgerald pitch while arranging other coaching interviews
Buried in the middle:
Fitzgerald would have to come up with some assistant coaches he was certain he could bring with him to Green Bay. One assistant to keep an eye on would be Kansas City Chiefs quarterbacks coach Mike Kafka, who played for Fitzgerald, served as a graduate assistant for him and has been under the tutelage of Chiefs coach Andy Reid the last two seasons.
Henry posted:Grave Digger posted:Whoever the HC or at least OC is has to be able to reign this shit in. Fennell is 1000% right on this, what is this offense that Rodgers is running? Scared to pull the trigger? I don't understand what the catalyst for this was, because he didn't always play like this? I count 4 open targets on this play, I don't get it.
This is why the #Packers are graded as best OL & Rodgers is 6th best QB according to PFF (which I highly respect)... And this offense is garbage! You can't grade the throws/plays he doesn't make!
— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) January 2, 2019
How many more throwaways from Aaron Rodgers on 3rd down?!https://t.co/HnNpOBYJPJ pic.twitter.com/o2TTkJuRRtIf you aren't making rhythmic progressions throws... And aren't see the coverage breakdowns on scramble drills.. And you're 35 years old with a knee injury...
— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) January 2, 2019
What is happening here?! Who is coaching this player?
I'm sorry. Did he just say the Packers oline was graded as the best oline by PFF, which he highly respects? That is the stupidest ****ing thing I've ever heard. Dix is a top safety and AJ Hawk was always at the top of his game. PFF is a ****ing joke.
STFU Fennell.
Are you ****ing kidding me on the first clip? I can see having a beef with not hitting Kumerow underneath but then you point out the receiver 30 yards down the field with a DE in hot pursuit out of the pocket?
STFU Fennell.
If he throws the ball to Kumerow underneath, there is a DB at the 18 yard line who has peeled off his coverage of the deeper route to blow the play up. He needs to get to the 16 for a first down - that is no sure thing.
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Are you ****ing kidding me on the first clip? I can see having a beef with not hitting Kumerow underneath but then you point out the receiver 30 yards down the field with a DE in hot pursuit out of the pocket?
STFU Fennell.
Yes. He did miss the guy that broke open at the end of play as he was being chased by the DE out of the pocket. It would have required Rodgers to throw across his body down the middle of the field about 40-45 yards as he was rolling to his right and not being able to scan the entire field at that point. Maybe we are spoiled because we've seen Rodgers make some of those types of throws.
Anyone thinks the Packers OL graded out in the Top 10 needs to have their head examined.
Bahktari, yes. Linsley, perhaps. The rest? No ****ing way. Their guard play alone may have been in the bottom 6 in the league.
Fixing AR has to be the top priority for the new HC and that's why Josh McDaniels probably has the edge as frontrunner.
Do any of the people being interviewed have a prior packers connection? According to Brandt that was the reason ted picked mm over sean Payton.
Grave Digger posted:One interesting rumor I just saw was that if Fitzgerald is hired then he would hire Chiefs QB Coach Mike Kafka as his OC. Lot of positive things said about Kafka, he's seemingly done great work with Mahomes this year although obviously Reid is the QB guru.
So this situation is becoming kafkaesque?
Grave Digger posted:Whoever the HC or at least OC is has to be able to reign this shit in. Fennell is 1000% right on this, what is this offense that Rodgers is running? Scared to pull the trigger? I don't understand what the catalyst for this was, because he didn't always play like this? I count 4 open targets on this play, I don't get it.
This is why the #Packers are graded as best OL & Rodgers is 6th best QB according to PFF (which I highly respect)... And this offense is garbage! You can't grade the throws/plays he doesn't make!
— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) January 2, 2019
How many more throwaways from Aaron Rodgers on 3rd down?!https://t.co/HnNpOBYJPJ pic.twitter.com/o2TTkJuRRt
There were throwaways on third down? I thought every third down play ended with a sack.
Grave Digger posted:Really liking Dan Campbell more and more.
Benefits of mentor Sean Payton? Dan Campbell is ready to be a head coach
Only going on what I've read about him and the other candidates, but I like him the most so far. Seems he would bring the right mix/combination of toughness, command of a room, and offensive innovation that none of the other candidates offer.
michiganjoe posted:Fixing AR has to be the top priority for the new HC and that's why Josh McDaniels probably has the edge as frontrunner.
Rodgers doesn’t need to be fixed. He needs competent coaching.
How long before McCarthy moves to Twin Cities? He'd be perfect!
Tschmack posted:Anyone thinks the Packers OL graded out in the Top 10 needs to have their head examined.
Bahktari, yes. Linsley, perhaps. The rest? No ****ing way. Their guard play alone may have been in the bottom 6 in the league.
I assume they must have skipped grading the snaps that Spriggs played? He might be the worst OL the Packers have had in the 40+ years I've watched them.
ChilliJon posted:michiganjoe posted:Fixing AR has to be the top priority for the new HC and that's why Josh McDaniels probably has the edge as frontrunner.
Rodgers doesn’t need to be fixed. He needs competent coaching.
He needs a scheme that isn't based on having 4 or 5 good receivers and waiting for one of them to win an individual matchup.
That worked in 2009-13 with combinations of Jennings, Nelson, J. Jones, Cobb, Driver, and Finley who had experience in the scheme and they couldn't all be simultaneously defended in single coverage. It also always seemed to take 2-3 years for receivers to be effective, so it was unrealistic for it to work this year with D. Adams and a bunch of guys that had never played in the scheme before (and weren't premium college talents to begin with). In retrospect, if they were going to run this scheme, they needed premium draft pick talent to win the one on one matchups.
They didn't invest enough draft capital in a position where the entire scheme was based on having guys win matchups based on athletic talent - MM didn't scheme people open. When TT did draft guys in premium positions during the first half of his GM role, it almost always worked out well after 2-3 years of experience. Other than D. Adams, they didn't add anyone impactful in the last 7 drafts.
2006 - Jennings (2nd round); 2007 - Jones (3rd round); 2008 - Nelson (2nd round); Finley (3rd round); 2011- Cobb (3rd round); 2014- Adams (2nd round), RichRod (3rd round); 2015 - Montgomery (3rd round). That's the entire list of the premium draft picks (rounds 1-3) used at WR/TE in the last 13 drafts. They drafted too many damn DBs over the years in those years that didn't pan out.
When you don't add anyone that grades out as a 1st-3rd rounder coming out college other than D. Adams in the last 7 years and then expect guys like Janis, Abbrederis, MVS, ESB, Allison, etc. to play at the same level was Jennings, Jordy, J. Jones, and Finley without scheming to get them open it's a recipe for what we've seen the last 3-4 years. You can win by developing late round draft picks and using a scheme to help them out, but there is a reason why they were late round draft picks to begin with.
RatPack posted:How long before McCarthy moves to Twin Cities? He'd be perfect!
I think he's going to Cleveland. Everything fits way too well for it not to happen.
Grave Digger posted:I wish this could be explained away by a concussion or a knee injury, it happened all year though. I think he was just in a slump in 2018 honestly and couldn't pull the trigger. He lost so much time in 2017 and I think MM took it for granted that he would be Aaron Rodgers again that he didn't take any steps to make sure he was 100% mentally. Didn't help that he was breaking in a new QB coach who probably came in thinking he didn't need to bother AR because he's a fukking legend. The new HC needs to make sure he's challenging AR to play QB like he's supposed to. I think it will be fine, AR is a pro and I have a hunch we're in store for an MVP rebound.
And maybe it is past prime time AR from here on out.
What it will boil down to is what type of staff these prospective coaches can assemble. Andy Reid has done pretty well in this regard. Holmgren did too, of course.
ChilliJon posted:
Rodgers is either going to set the league on fire or he’s going to retire after next year. I don’t see any gray area for him in 2019. Personally, I think Rodgers is Rodgers again. But he needs a coach that isn’t shy about getting into his grill if needed.
He needs what MM was to Bert ten years ago.
excalibur posted:Why haven't they fired Zook?
Maybe he is on the list of HC candidates? 
Philbins interview for the HC position is happening today or tomorrow. Bad form to fire assistants ahead of HC interviews.
But make no mistake. Zooks walking papers are already signed waiting for delivery. Same goes for David Raih.
I definitely want Raih fired. Also I found this link from before MM was fired. It’s one mans opinion of what was wrong with this teams offensive coaching and Rodgers. https://m.youtube.com/watch?fe...be&v=bax9C8damOU
Sorry it’s a y-tuber. But interesting stuff when thinking about our offense.
at the 6:30 mark the most important statement,
( Don't make it so hard on yourself. Run the damm ball. )
MichiganPacker2 posted:Tschmack posted:Anyone thinks the Packers OL graded out in the Top 10 needs to have their head examined.
Bahktari, yes. Linsley, perhaps. The rest? No ****ing way. Their guard play alone may have been in the bottom 6 in the league.
I assume they must have skipped grading the snaps that Spriggs played? He might be the worst OL the Packers have had in the 40+ years I've watched them.
Worse than Newhouse?
PackerPatrick posted:excalibur posted:Why haven't they fired Zook?
Maybe he is on the list of HC candidates?
Oh, I suggested that a while back, for the fun of it all, make Zook the HC.
Or Allen Barbre. He might have been one of the worst OL I’ve ever seen period, he strung together a good career as a backup/occasional starter though. The two guys TT brought in 2005, Klemm and O’Dwyer, man those guys were awful. Spriggs is bad, we’ve seen worse.
Spriggs is a high 2nd round pick. He should be excellent to, at a minimum, rotational guy you can count on.
He's complete horseshit & should've gone undrafted
Yes, the scheme is at fault as well, especially for the lack of running plays. But what do you do when as the play above shows, four guys are open as the play opens and your QB chooses E) None of the above. Then the QB is running around as if a receiver isn't open, the ball is thrown away, and it looks like the scheme is at fault.
RochNyFan posted:MichiganPacker2 posted:Tschmack posted:Anyone thinks the Packers OL graded out in the Top 10 needs to have their head examined.
Bahktari, yes. Linsley, perhaps. The rest? No ****ing way. Their guard play alone may have been in the bottom 6 in the league.
I assume they must have skipped grading the snaps that Spriggs played? He might be the worst OL the Packers have had in the 40+ years I've watched them.
Worse than Newhouse?
Yes. Newhouse is still in the league to this day. He has started 72 games. He's a decent backup OT. He at least competitive.
Spriggs is a turnstile.
Grave Digger posted:Or Allen Barbre. He might have been one of the worst OL I’ve ever seen period, he strung together a good career as a backup/occasional starter though. The two guys TT brought in 2005, Klemm and O’Dwyer, man those guys were awful. Spriggs is bad, we’ve seen worse.
I would say the Green Bay version of Barbre was on Spriggs' level.
MichiganPacker2 posted:ChilliJon posted:michiganjoe posted:Fixing AR has to be the top priority for the new HC and that's why Josh McDaniels probably has the edge as frontrunner.
Rodgers doesn’t need to be fixed. He needs competent coaching.
When you don't add anyone that grades out as a 1st-3rd rounder coming out college other than D. Adams in the last 7 years and then expect guys like Janis, Abbrederis, MVS, ESB, Allison, etc. to play at the same level was Jennings, Jordy, J. Jones, and Finley without scheming to get them open it's a recipe for what we've seen the last 3-4 years. You can win by developing late round draft picks and using a scheme to help them out, but there is a reason why they were late round draft picks to begin with.
Exactly. When you have a former GM who put little in to the WR/TE position, a banged up/bad OL, and you get piss poor coaching like Raih (or whatever his name is) you get the clown show that was the 2018 offense.
One asst. coaching position hire that is going to be vital is the WR coach. They have to hire someone who is better than that turd Raih.
It's funny because when he was hired on he was seen as an innovator, a young up and comer. Guess that was a farce. Probably a good lesson when it comes to new HCs and their hype.
Curious. I wonder if said rift had anything to do with Rodgers and company walking up and down the sidelines knowing how incompetent some of these coaches were while McVince, the Head Coach, took no notice.
I think Jimmy Robinson was under appreciated. He was the Packers WR coach from 2006-2010, which means he was responsible for the development of Jennings, Nelson, and Jones. He left after the 2010 season to become the assistant head coach and WR coach of the Cowboys from 2011-15 which coincided with Dez Bryant's best years. Before that, he coached Marvin Harrison as a young player, Joe Horn to a 94 catch year with the Saints, and Amani Toomer and Andre Rison as young players. The WRs were better everywhere he coached.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Robinson
You can't say the GM didn't draft WR/TE's without acknowledging a damn near midas touch with WR's up until Adams. And really, with the black hole of talent on D from 2012-2017 it was hard to sacrifice much draft capital on WR's. Not an ironclad excuse but one can see the dominos fall.
MichiganPacker2 posted:I think Jimmy Robinson was under appreciated. He was the Packers WR coach from 2006-2010, which means he was responsible for the development of Jennings, Nelson, and Jones. He left after the 2010 season to become the assistant head coach and WR coach of the Cowboys from 2011-15 which coincided with Dez Bryant's best years. Before that, he coached Marvin Harrison as a young player, Joe Horn to a 94 catch year with the Saints, and Amani Toomer and Andre Rison as young players. The WRs were better everywhere he coached.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Robinson
and mentored Edgar Bennett, who was not a bad wr coach
DH13 posted:You can't say the GM didn't draft WR/TE's without acknowledging a damn near midas touch with WR's up until Adams. And really, with the black hole of talent on D from 2012-2017 it was hard to sacrifice much draft capital on WR's. Not an ironclad excuse but one can see the dominos fall.
If you ever watched an interview with Raih you would come away with next to nothing. Winston Moss gave a better interview. It’s a wonder that the receivers got anything from him. The offense needs better coaching all the way around the team with the possible exception of Pettine. The offense described in this link is from McDan and it’s quicker and more simple to execute. https://www.acmepackingcompany...oach-search-nfl-2019
Grave Digger posted:Henry posted:I'm sorry. Did he just say the Packers oline was graded as the best oline by PFF, which he highly respects? That is the stupidest ****ing thing I've ever heard. Dix is a top safety and AJ Hawk was always at the top of his game. PFF is a ****ing joke.
STFU Fennell.
Are you ****ing kidding me on the first clip? I can see having a beef with not hitting Kumerow underneath but then you point out the receiver 30 yards down the field with a DE in hot pursuit out of the pocket?
STFU Fennell.
I've said it before, I wish someone (I wish I had the time) would look at Rodgers sacks the last 3 years and determine how many should actually charged to the OL and how many should be charged to Rodgers. I think that would be an eye opening stat because I think he takes more sacks that the OL is unfairly charged with.
Found PFF list of QB's directly responsible for sacks in 2018. Rodgers was directly responsible for less than 7 according to PFF. OL gave up 49 sacks. 5th worse. GB had the most sacks allowed on 3rd down.
Nothing about those numbers supports PFF claim that GB had the top rated OL in pass protection. It does support the theory that PFF didn't actually watch any Packer games in 2018 however.
PFF QB / Sack post. List only goes to 7 so it's not clear exactly how many sacks pinned on Rodgers in 2018.