IF McCarthy is canned at the end of the season...

I've been saying this since Seattle . They get their butts in a hole. Turn it around enough to make the playoffs then flame out. Tired of this embarrassing,come out flat, uninspired football. Almost rather have an 8-8 hair on fire team. At least it would be exciting.

Maybe Nick Saban would come? His management skills are outstanding.

He's tried the NFL once already. Not happening.

He'd get a job in 5 seconds.  Used to be 2.

Grave Digger posted:

Maybe Nick Saban would come? His management skills are outstanding.

As any good middle manager knows, that's what really counts.

Nick Saban?  He’d be a fool to leave duh S$C and Bama.   He’s got it made in college football.  

George Perles and Bo Schembechler think him going to the NFLFU is a bad idea 

Maybe the Ole Ball Coach can talk some sense into him 

If I were the Packers I would think outside the box. 

Dave Aranda.  Make it happen 

Hate to say it......MM is not inspiring.....to me, and I’m sure to the team as well.  They play uninspired, they play lack luster, they play like the wins should be handed to them.  Coaches fault.....yes, players fault possible, and I do blame the head coach for attitude.  

Would you like MM more if he got a Tesla? 

MM is a mouthbreather 

He’s been blessed by good GM work and great QB play.  But he’s no savant. 

Pittsburgh Macho needs to hit the bricks 

If your ready to ship MM out the door, then you just as well trade AR for what you get for him. Bring in a fresh first year head coach, how much respect do think Rodgers is going to have for him. Things will sure enough get Favre like, that's not going end well. Both MM and AR are equally to blame, ego has gotten in the way of the big picture. The well being of the Green Bay Packers does not apply to these too men.

Ship out 12  = 1980s all over again 

What are they heading too now?

Fedya posted:

Would you like MM more if he got a Tesla? 

Ah, may-be....... 

It’ll be Ray Rhodes all over again. 

That was one thought that popped into my mind... Another gum-chewing, time-wasting, one-year miss.

We haven't hit the bottom of the "the end is here" posting barrel, but this take----

"If your ready to ship MM out the door, then you just as well trade AR for what you get for him. Bring in a fresh first year head coach, how much respect do think Rodgers is going to have for him"---

indicates we are pretty close.  

slowmo posted:

We haven't hit the bottom of the "the end is here" posting barrel, but this take----

"If your ready to ship MM out the door, then you just as well trade AR for what you get for him. Bring in a fresh first year head coach, how much respect do think Rodgers is going to have for him"---

indicates we are pretty close.  

Depends. Bring in a Josh McDaniels and he might listen because of what Brady has done. (He's not a real "first-year" coach, but he did not do well in Denver.) Bring in a college guy and, no, the respect won't be there. But I can't think of any other guy who AR might respect right off the bat.

Favre for head coach.

It’ll be Bart Starr all over again. 

At least him & Rodgers are text buddies

bdplant posted:

It’ll be Bart Starr all over again. 

Bart was/is loved by all

Fandame posted:

slowmo posted:

We haven't hit the bottom of the "the end is here" posting barrel, but this take----

"If your ready to ship MM out the door, then you just as well trade AR for what you get for him. Bring in a fresh first year head coach, how much respect do think Rodgers is going to have for him"---

indicates we are pretty close.  

Depends. Bring in a Josh McDaniels and he might listen because of what Brady has done. (He's not a real "first-year" coach, but he did not do well in Denver.) Bring in a college guy and, no, the respect won't be there. But I can't think of any other guy who AR might respect right off the bat.

I don't really care who Rodgers "respects." While he is  the highest paid player in the league, he doesn't get to choose who is the Coach, who is signed/cut (see, ie Nelson, Jordy). 

It might be time for somebody in the MM circle to sit down with him and tell him that straight out.  I am fairly confident if/when there is a next coach they won't be crawling on bended knee to please Rodgers.  In fact, Murphy/Gutekunst are well aware that if they don't put Rodgers in his place soon, they will be in his crosshairs if he doesn't like their personnel moves and continues to pop off.  I could see the next coach hired for the specific purpose of his talent, but also for a willingness to sit down with Rodgers and tell him to "shut up and play."

MM or no MM, this team is not executing. Perhaps it is coaching and/or lack of talent. As much as I have and still will complain about MM, there seems to be more to the problem with this team than simply MM. Rodgers seems inaccurate and out of sync. Whose fault is that. Is to due to Injury..coaching...scheme...talent? All of the above? 

+Lack of practice.

If MM is canned it may take a coach a year to get up to speed. Or he may catch lightning in a bottle. I'm willing to roll the dice. MM has peaked in GB.

They can bring in Doug Pederson since he's obviously failed in Philly what with their being 2-3.

bandit posted:

If your ready to ship MM out the door, then you just as well trade AR for what you get for him. Bring in a fresh first year head coach, how much respect do think Rodgers is going to have for him. Things will sure enough get Favre like, that's not going end well. Both MM and AR are equally to blame, ego has gotten in the way of the big picture. The well being of the Green Bay Packers does not apply to these too men.

Tom Brady has an ego too. To do anything it takes to win including taking a below market rate pay. Arod isn’t enough of a winner for me.

mccarthy has stunk up the joint far before seattle. Time management, soooo predictable offense, keeping ridiculous assistant coaches too long (slodum, capers, zook), pig headed adjustments (not playing Jones the latest example), something works and never go back to it in a game, starting games so slow it's almost impossible to come back, no screens-quick slants-2 tight ends-end arounds, abandoning the run even when it's working, out of control penalties (holding on every kickoff and punt). Almost impossible to watch anymore.

Can't trade AR because of the dead money we'd have to eat.

Everyone crying Favre/Sherman on this seems to have collectively forgotten what his next coach got out of him.  It's not an impossible situation.

slowmo posted:

Fandame posted:

slowmo posted:

We haven't hit the bottom of the "the end is here" posting barrel, but this take----

"If your ready to ship MM out the door, then you just as well trade AR for what you get for him. Bring in a fresh first year head coach, how much respect do think Rodgers is going to have for him"---

indicates we are pretty close.  

Depends. Bring in a Josh McDaniels and he might listen because of what Brady has done. (He's not a real "first-year" coach, but he did not do well in Denver.) Bring in a college guy and, no, the respect won't be there. But I can't think of any other guy who AR might respect right off the bat.

I don't really care who Rodgers "respects." While he is  the highest paid player in the league, he doesn't get to choose who is the Coach, who is signed/cut (see, ie Nelson, Jordy). 

It might be time for somebody in the MM circle to sit down with him and tell him that straight out.  I am fairly confident if/when there is a next coach they won't be crawling on bended knee to please Rodgers.  In fact, Murphy/Gutekunst are well aware that if they don't put Rodgers in his place soon, they will be in his crosshairs if he doesn't like their personnel moves and continues to pop off.  I could see the next coach hired for the specific purpose of his talent, but also for a willingness to sit down with Rodgers and tell him to "shut up and play."

This is some over the top ****.  It's hilarious.

I think it's funny that so many people think Rodgers wouldn't want to win vs. getting his own way, whatever that is.  

Did you ever think Rodgers really may enjoy collaborating with a young coach or OC?  I'm sure he'd hate a system like McVay''s or Nagi's.

Christ, I'm The Hyperbolist but you guys are going full on storm the Bastille. 

Henry posted:

Grave Digger posted:

Maybe Nick Saban would come? His management skills are outstanding.

As any good middle manager knows, that's what really counts.

That's the chief complaint, poor manager. Good coach, bad manager. 

My experience with people as bright as AR is that the thing they respect the most  in bosses is intellect. 

Henry posted:

This is some over the top ****.  It's hilarious.

I think it's funny that so many people think Rodgers wouldn't want to win vs. getting his own way, whatever that is.  

Did you ever think Rodgers really may enjoy collaborating with a young coach or OC?  I'm sure he'd hate a system like McVay''s or Nagi's.

Based on how he cowboys the scheme and does whatever he wants now, I doubt any collaboration would take place with a young coach. It's a fantasy to think Sean McVay or Shannahan or any young coach (or any coach really) could get Rodgers to play within a system. He gets more slack than Favre did because Rodgers doesn't make soul crushing mistakes like Favre, but Rodgers would do to a young coach what Favre did to Sherman. I don't think it's ego driven, I think he thinks he's giving the team the best chance to score/win when he holds the ball, it doesn't have to be one or the other. Most of the time it does gives us the best chance to win, sometimes it doesn't. This season him holding the ball hasn't helped. 

Sometimes when a head coach with past success has been around for a while things tend to get stale.  I think it has in Green Bay.   The play calling becomes predictable based upon what has worked well in the past without regard to current players' talents.   Doubt MM would let Philbin start calling the plays but it might spark something.   If things continue as they have been then a shake up is needed and I think Murphy wouldn't hesitate to make the change.

packerboi posted:

....I just think MM is right where Capers was in 2017.....

Or where MM himself was in 2010 before he went on the SB run. Probably take a similar deep run in the playoffs to salvage his job and right now hard to see it.

Become more and more evident to me that MM's shelf life in GB has expired and it's time for a change.

Where MM was in 2010 was a year after making the playoffs and 3 years removed from the NFCC game, should have been the SB if not for Favre's mail order INT.   I don't see the parallel.  I said yesterday in another thread that yesterday MM was looking a bit Capers like in that he needs a really strong roster on offense to get anything done.  

But I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because he seems to do his best work with his back against the wall.  He's done it many times in the past.  However that was with a weak NFCN.  Div games used to be almost gimmes but they've got a tough row to hoe after the bye.  A lot of divisions are upside down right now but the rule of thumb is usually 10 wins to make the dance.  I have a hard time seeing 8 wins left on their schedule.  Maybe knee jerk but it looks like 8-7-1.

My issue is how many times does the lame duck HC status work?   They cleaned house with everyone else but McVince and Murphy and Gute have shown no confidence in giving him a long term extension.   So now we are in limbo land and run the risk of pissing away the season instead of doing a full reset at beginning of this year. 

You bring in a new HC he’s going to want his own staff so instead of potentially starting over this year it’s pretty likely it happens next year.  Which means 12 is another year older. 

MM is going to have to turn this team around ala 2010 to keep his job and not sure that’s fair to him or the team.  

Grave Digger posted:

Henry posted:

This is some over the top ****.  It's hilarious.

I think it's funny that so many people think Rodgers wouldn't want to win vs. getting his own way, whatever that is.  

Did you ever think Rodgers really may enjoy collaborating with a young coach or OC?  I'm sure he'd hate a system like McVay''s or Nagi's.

Based on how he cowboys the scheme and does whatever he wants now, I doubt any collaboration would take place with a young coach. It's a fantasy to think Sean McVay or Shannahan or any young coach (or any coach really) could get Rodgers to play within a system. He gets more slack than Favre did because Rodgers doesn't make soul crushing mistakes like Favre, but Rodgers would do to a young coach what Favre did to Sherman. I don't think it's ego driven, I think he thinks he's giving the team the best chance to score/win when he holds the ball, it doesn't have to be one or the other. Most of the time it does gives us the best chance to win, sometimes it doesn't. This season him holding the ball hasn't helped. 

I don't know about the more slack thing.  The guy was out injured last year and comes back to a continuation of the same crap and is getting savaged.  

Did anyone read that article with McVince talking about the offense or are we all assuming that's just a bunch of horse****?

No one is above the team, ever.  Just like some believe Fine Fine OC has still got it, I believe Rodgers wants to win.  Basically, you'd have to think that Rodgers doesn't give two ****s about football anymore and just wants highlights to go along with the losses.  

The guy is dinged and both he and McVince are trying to adjust.  But is there something off about Rodgers other than the knee?  Yeah, appears to be but I'm not exactly sure it has to do with him wanting to have his way.  

Not being facetious here but if McVince truly was just focused on the offense instead of being HC, I think they'd be tearing it up.  Instead of playing in a base offense because of Rodgers injury, an offense that every single frickin' team in the NFL already knows, he could actually be working in some KILL principles into that base offense to account for the injury.  I think Rodgers goes all Rodgers when guys are covered up in a predictable base offense and he's just flat out missing reads but McVince is calling some of those plays too.  

Rodgers has definitely missed some reads and passes but there are a lot of drops too.  Meaning, the whole offense has a funk about it.  Timing, routes, the kind of stuff the vets shouldn't think twice about.  I'm still baffled how they haven't gotten Graham and Lewis truly involved in this offense yet.  This is not meant to absolve Rodgers, he's way off.   

Having a fresh perspective and getting excited about the offense again can do miracles.  As rough as the defense has been you can see a level of energy and ideas happening.  Pretty tough to overcome those holes and rookie mistakes but it's there.  The offense feels like The Wizard Country Club defense right now.