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@BrainDed posted:

Well don, Geeman!

I don't give MM any slack because of his job.  If anything, he has it easier than the rest of us.   For about 6 months a year he has access to top notch nutrition and nutritionists supplied and employed by the team.    He has access to top notch work out facility supplied by the team.   If he asked, they would put the best bike or treadmill money can buy in his office.

In the offseason, he has the wealth and the time to make it easier for him than you and I.   

He's a lard ass because he chooses to be.

Of course you don't.  Without any first hand knowledge of his overall health situation & specific information regarding his family history, you just assume.  Why am I not surprised?

You're no different than the mouth breathers that give me funny looks when I park in a handicap spot with my tag.  "Why is that guy parking there?"  Of course, they can't see my rheumatoid arthritis or my L5/S1 back defect.  But they assume they know, just like you do.

I watch my calorie count. I manage my calories by paying attention to my portion sizes on certain foods. I'm not a calorie Nazi counting every calorie but I try to keep it in the 2000 k range.

The bottom line is that you REALLY have to want to make the change diet wise. Once I decided that I had to make a change everything just fell into place for me.

One other added benefit to losing the weight I did is that I can outrun my 7 year old grandson again. He's not real thrilled about that development. LOL

As for MM. Who knows why he's packing the weight he is. Maybe there's an underlying medical issue or maybe he just became used to being overweight like I did. Dunno but I wish him the best health wise.

Oh I can eat plenty of steak let me tell you. Not sure it’s a good idea to pound down a 32 oz porterhouse, but it’s making me hungry thinking about it.

But I agree goal line.  Think about basic junk foods.  Each potato chip or tortilla chip is 8-10 calories each.   You can eat 50 without even thinking about it.   Cookies (like Oreos) are even worse.  It doesn’t take much to put away 8-10 of them and boom there’s 500 calories easy.

@Goalline posted:

No, it is really about eating healthy. Processed food literally makes you more hungry. Nasty shit. Most people could not overeat vegetables, steak or any real foods if they tried.

True, but the simple science is fuel consumed vs fuel burned.    Consuming appropriate fuel is certainly going to make it easier for you and make your overall a healthier person, but fat loss in general still boils down to that basic equation.

Mark Haub a professor of nutrition at Kansas State University demonstrated this by losing 27 pounds while mostly eating Twinkies.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH...professor/index.html

@Tschmack posted:

Oh I can eat plenty of steak let me tell you. Not sure it’s a good idea to pound down a 32 oz porterhouse, but it’s making me hungry thinking about it.

But I agree goal line.  Think about basic junk foods.  Each potato chip or tortilla chip is 8-10 calories each.   You can eat 50 without even thinking about it.   Cookies (like Oreos) are even worse.  It doesn’t take much to put away 8-10 of them and boom there’s 500 calories easy.

Chances are, if you ate a 32 ounce steak you wouldn’t eat for quite a few hours. You would be really full. The Oreos? You could eat again not long after.

@BrainDed posted:

True, but the simple science is fuel consumed vs fuel burned.    Consuming appropriate fuel is certainly going to make it easier for you and make your overall a healthier person, but fat loss in general still boils down to that basic equation.

Mark Haub a professor of nutrition at Kansas State University demonstrated this by losing 27 pounds while mostly eating Twinkies.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH...professor/index.html

Not actually disputing that. Basic thermodynamics, but in practice it will be unsustainable long term to eat that way. You would be hungry all the time. Eat real foods and that calorie balance can happen automatically.

@GEEMAN posted:

I watch my calorie count. I manage my calories by paying attention to my portion sizes on certain foods. I'm not a calorie Nazi counting every calorie but I try to keep it in the 2000 k range.



Speaking of calorie Nazi's, my daughter works at Hy-Vee filling Isles Online orders. She communicates directly with customers via text when they are out of a product but there is a substitute available. She had a woman that was ordering some 35 calorie popcorn and specifically said she wanted the 35 calorie and not the 39 calorie. They were out of the 35 and she asked her if she would like to substitute the 39. The response was "ABSOLUTELY NOT"

That right there is someone that is weighing their food.

@PackerHawk posted:

Speaking of calorie Nazi's, my daughter works at Hy-Vee filling Isles Online orders. She communicates directly with customers via text when they are out of a product but there is a substitute available. She had a woman that was ordering some 35 calorie popcorn and specifically said she wanted the 35 calorie and not the 39 calorie. They were out of the 35 and she asked her if she would like to substitute the 39. The response was "ABSOLUTELY NOT"

That right there is someone that is weighing their food.

100 calories, or say two handfuls of carrots, can be the difference between losing weight that day or staying the same.

If you approach the problem, how to lose fat, from a scientific angle of measuring every calorie you have a high chance of success.    Also, by weighing your food you get to know appropriate portion sizes too so this sets you up for long term success.    Once you have the basic understanding,  you can eyeball appropriate portions.

It's like anything else, until you're experienced you're just guessing.   Ask a 10 year old how many gallons of paint he/she needs to paint a room.   They have no clue, just like Big Booty Betty has no clue what 600cals of salmon looks like.

What a thread. I’m sure MM would be proud…..

Bottom line in my opinion is to live the life that makes you happy and enables you to treat people well. If that’s being an overweight Funyun than so be it. Your family might say it sucks he/she wasn’t around longer, but that you lived your life to the fullest and left positivity on everyone.

If being a calorie counter makes you feel your best mentally and physically then more power to you and push yourself to be the best physical condition you can be because it makes you feel good inside and enables you to treat people better.

What we need to stop doing is pushing our own personal agendas on each other and judging how people run their lives, unless they are total shit bags and treat society like crap. Then you have an argument. If you as an individual know that you are a shit stain to society because you are unhappy with the way you live your life, that’s when change needs to occur.

Last edited by Tavis Smiley

What a thread. I’m sure MM would be proud…..

Bottom line in my opinion is to live the life that makes you happy and enables you to treat people well. If that’s being an overweight Funyun than so be it. Your family might say it sucks he/she wasn’t around longer, but that you lived your life to the fullest and left positivity on everyone.

If being a calorie counter makes you feel your best mentally and physically then more power to you and push yourself to be the best physical condition you can be because it makes you feel good inside and enables you to treat people better.

What we need to stop doing is pushing our own personal agendas on each other and judging how people run their lives, unless they are total shit bags and treat society like crap. Then you have an argument. If you as an individual know that you are a shit stain to society because you are unhappy with the way you live your life, that’s when change needs to occur.

I kinda agree but that's not the environment we live in.    Why doesn't the same apply to smoking or a functioning alcoholic?    If I put down a 12 pack of IPA every night in front of my kids but in every other way am a good parent and a happy person, is that okay?    If I smoke a pack of reds in the backyard every night is that okay or frowned upon?

If the answer is that it is teaching your kids these habits while the same applies to unhealthy diet.   In fact, diet is probably worse because my drinking habit doesn't impact my kids CURRENT diet while having stashed of Doritos and Mt Dew does.

So if we are going to go with the my body my choice argument, it needs to apply equally to all drugs / addictions.  Yes, sugar and over eating is a drug / addiction.

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