It rocked/it sucked (KC edition)

Agree with HHCD needing to wrap up. Not only on the flagged play but it costs him missed tackles as well. 

 

Now that was D-Line play !  The penetration by Daniels and Raji was impressive as was the pass rush by Clay, Jayrone, Perry, and co. Way to get after it boys. Wonder if they are playing Peppers too much,  he seems to be pacing himself. 

 

After being critical of the early play by Palmer, I have to say that hes getting better each and every week. Wow, that play on Charles in the open field was top shelf LB play. Guessing he is thinking less and now able to rely on his abilities....impressive. 

 

Nice game for Sam. Not sure what was going on against Chicago, but last night was the real Sam. 

 

This defense can be very good. Really hope Morgan's calf doesnt linger, with him back, Guion back,  Palmer stepping up, Raji reborn, Daniels being Randle lite, Clay healthy, Jayrone hitting the edge, the depth in the secondary, wooohooooo! Even Capers must be excited ! 

I personally think Burnett is a huge factor- and they were dominant. 

I always think that early in the season, Getty good film to critique without losing is good for the team overall. Lots of good film in this one- what you can't let happen, and what you're capable of.

Overall I am pickled Tink this team is 3-0. They're a long ways from their best football and they're 3-0.

 

I think part of it was they were testing new things in the ground game.  They went with Walker as a 6th OL and just couldn't get anything going.

 

It was disappointing only in that we had a chance to gain confidence in that area and failed.  Hopefully it doesn't carry over into short yardage situations that actually matter down the road.

I'm still not sold that HHCD hit was so blatantly illegal. If it's an issue of not wrapping up, fine. But he made contact with Maclin with his shoulder, with the side of his shoulder. The fact that he may have seemed to make contact high is also kind of an incidental imo. A tackler can't be in control of where the ball carrier's body will end up upon contact.

Charles is a typical dumbass. He has to grunt like an ape, pound his chest, talk chit, and proclaim just how great he is. Meanwhile, his team is still 7 points behind and before that play, he had -1 yard rushing, and a 1 yard reception. You da man, Jamaal.

HHCD's PF was not illegal, and the call was horrid. People can nitpick it as much as they want, but that was some old-school BIG stick. Period.

As an aside, there were a handful of calls/decisions/spots by the refs last night that were poor. Thankfully, they didn't affect the outcome of the game, but the potential was there. Hope we don't see that crew again anytime soon.

 

There's not a lot to add to game/player comments, but I will say this:
The Packers defense is as lucky as they are good. There were some plays last night where the defense could've been burned big by a real  QB. If this defense is learning, it's good that we can do it against the likes of Clausen and Smith.

However, the play of the DL, the rookies, and Palmer has been a pleasant surprise so far, and should improve with the return of Guion.

The HHCD hit was illegal, not saying its right that it was but thats the new rules we have to deal with now. It was a text book snot bubbling hit that we all grew up watching but is now illegal. New rules like this is pretty much taking the fun out of football

Isn't he protected area the head, neck, AND shoulders? It was a clean hit, but still against the rules.

Dix was not penalized for hitting in the head/neck/shoulder area, the call was for hitting a defenseless receiver. Maclin was not defenseless as he saw the hit coming and began to turn away from Dix and recoiled his body in a way to absorb the hit - in other words, a defensive football move.

 

Watch from the ~ 0:15 to 0:26 and you can see Maclin turning away from the on-coming hit.

 

 

Maybe he should start using it on the field.

Right but I thought the reason for the Defenseless Receiver call was for a blow to the head, neck or shoulder area? I think we are saying the same thing. I'm not so sure about Maclin making a legit move, I think he turned, but it wasn't enough to make the rule not apply. I don't think Dix did anything wrong though, I think it's a bad aspect to the rule. It's a good rule designed to protect the head and neck from guys like Brandon Merriweather, but neither of those areas were hit in this instance. I'm not sure what Dix is supposed to do in that instance? Let Maclin get 2 or 3 yards and then try to tackle him?

The rule is so vague and allows so much discretion that just about anything can be called. If a hit approaches brutal or vicious territory it almost always gets called. The HHCD hit appeared legal to me but I'm not surprised it was flagged.  

First time seeing the hit. 

 

Ha Ha could have absolutely blown Maclin's ACL into 2016. Did him a favor. Hit him in the shoulder. Maclin should thank him. 

 

I've seen far worse from guys like Chancellor. Hard to play S in the NFL if you can't hit a guy like that because you respect the guys knees. 

 

I don't expect the NFL will be handing out any fines after they watch the tape. 

 

 

 

 

He's supposed to wrap instead of giving him a forearm smash like he's Macho Man Randy Savage.  

 

Wrap and drive, not smash and launch..  Like it or not, that gets called.

Smash and launch? WTF? He put him on his ass and ran through the tackle. I agree that Ha Ha needs to wrap up. But smash and launch is a little over the top. 

Plays happen so fast and the refs show react and throw a flag. They see what they think they see but when the replay is shown, it doesnt show what the flag was for. I do not see how HaHa gets a fine for that hit. That will determine if the league thinks it was an illegal hit. 

I agree with that FL Bob. I posted the video and commented because I disagree with some here who seen it as an illegal hit. FWIW, in real time I did not see it as illegal, so not sure why the ref did, but maybe it was the TV angle and play focus I had versus the on-the-field angle the ref had.

 

 

 

Big Bad Bob suggests HHCD might not have been flagged if he hadn't done the obligatory big hit look at me routine. Might be onto something there.

 

http://www.jsonline.com/sports...912z1-330045601.html

 

It seemed perfectly clean technically, but I could see how it might have been deemed illegal. That was a clean hit, shoulder to shoulder. Super hard hit by Ha Ha. They may have something on Maclin being a defenseless receiver:

“It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture.
(a) Players in a defenseless posture are: [. . .]
(2) A receiver attempting to catch a pass; or who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a runner. If the receiver/runner is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player;
[. . .]
(b) Prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is:
(1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him; and
(2) Lowering the head and making forcible contact with the top/crown or forehead/”hairline” parts of the helmet against any part of the defenseless player’s body.”

 

It was a textbook hard hit, but according to the rules the player was defenseless. So, I guess I could see how it was called. Hopefully he doesn't get fined, because he looks to have just laid a good whop on him, cleanly. I think it is BS, but the player was defenseless. Ha Ha popped him righteous. Great tackle.

 

I think through all of this, Ha Ha is turning into a very fine player. He's learning, and making plays.

What "winning streak"? That's the dumbest "stat" ever. They won in 2003, 12 years ago, in the only game they played at Lambeau since Ron Wolf was hired.

 

When there has been 2+ entire regime changes between multiple games that apply, there's no such thing as a "streak".  That's like saying the Franks had a great winning streak with Charlamagne and Napoleon.

The problem is it was extremely close (especially in real time) and he launched himself. That's going to draw the flag.

WTF? Were they or were they not undefeated at Lambeau Field?

Defenseless receiver? They should defend themselves if they're going to go across the middle.

 

He shoulda armed himself...

 

It is a BS call. That was an awesome football play by Ha Ha. Good to see some tough D played by our Safeties.

       
       


The hit was perfectly legal, but the NFL left that language intentionally vague to discourage hits anywhere near the head.

That call gets made several times every week in college and the pros. Ha Ha needs to adapt.

3 games EVER, only one since Ron Wolf was hired. How is that a meaningful "streak"? There is nobody on the team from 2003, nobody on the 2003 team from the game before, different coaches, different GMs, different team presidents, different uniform companies, different everything.

Dumbest reach for a "stat" ever.

Still mad at Denver for killing our SB winning streak. 3 for 3 in SBs to that point. Screw you Elway!

It was a bad play, he got flagged for what will be flagged. Hit a little lower or at least make it look like you're trying to wrap the guy up.

 

Was it illegal? I don't think so with the benefit of slow motion  footage, but it was very close, they have to make the call in real time, he launched and that's going to get flagged.

He needs to adapt or he'll get more flags. That's the reality.

Borderline illegal. If HHCD wraps up AND/OR gets his head to the outside of Maclin's body, it's a great hit. Just launching himself like a spear is going to get the illegal hit call almost every time today. 

Packers have never won at Levis Stadium.  Need to break that streak.

"Who's the fellow owns this ****hole?"

 

Could watch that scene for hours and it's badass every time. 

 

By by the way, it was a football hit. Well done. And the Vikings suck. 

Love that movie.  Along with Godfather and Tombstone it's one I can watch several times.

 

"I've always been kind of lucky when it comes to killin folks" - William Munney

 

 

Thanks @RobDemovsky Reviewed your link & game video. Andrew Quarless @packers lucky to avoid serious season-ending knee injury. Out 4 wks.

— David J. Chao, MD (@ProFootballDoc) September 30, 2015

 

I wasn't reaching for a stat, just wanted them to put an end to KC being undefeated at Lambeau. Give it a rest.

Then post a real streak. The Lions streak at Lambeau is a real streak, a lot of the same pieces have been part of it. That KC "stat" was irrelevant crap some goober came up with trying to make KC look more viable that means nothing.

 

Maclin even patted Dix on the back after the play. He seemed to think it was a good hit.

       
       


It was the media that beat it into submission for a week.

Having a tough day? Try a snickers.

From Trophies' post above:
"...If the receiver/runner is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player..."

 

This should counter most of the points made about that hit (and many others, IMHO), but much like the "uncatchable" aspect of PI penalties, it also seems to be largely forgotten or ignored by the refs.

It's almost as if they hear the crowd "Ooooooo" they throw a flag