@ammo posted:I'd really hate to be in a foxhole with you.
"He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight.”
Sun Tzu
The blueprint to win without 17 exists. Mistake-free and time consuming drives. Move the chains and keep Murray on the sideline. Losing one guy is manageable, even Adams. Losing multiple would spell big trouble on a short week.
Seems to me like the Packers often do well in the (rare) games that we think they're going to get smoked.
Have they ever won a game without Bacteria or Z or PS or KK or MVS or JA.
1965.
They won a lot that year.
October 1965. The year Chilli came to be. Good year.
Every so often, I get to quote one of my favorite posts here on x4.
Several years ago, as I recall, ARod was injured, Matt Flynn had prepared to start vs the Cheatriots, who happened to be undefeated at that time.
Our own Oshbaul wrote, "The Packers have earned the right to beat the undefeated team".
Well, it looks to me that the same applies here.
@Blair Kiel posted:Seems to me like the Packers often do well in the (rare) games that we think they're going to get smoked.
Dagger? The blood is on your hands pal.
I still can't believe that patchwork O-Line is getting the job done. Not perfect, but damn if they didn't surprise me the last 5-6 weeks or so
@GreenNgoldBlood posted:I mean maybe you're unaware, but covid is NEVER going away, we are going to all just have to learn to live with it. That's a fact. It's long past time we started doing that.
Oh my goodness! I’m so sorry! I had no idea I was talking to one of those internet pandemic experts! Excuse me for getting my news from the Washington Post, N.Y. Times, USA Today, Newsweek, NBC, CBS, NPR and more. But it just amazes me that those who get their “news” off the internet from people with no qualifications think they have all the answers.
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@RoyalWulff posted:Oh my goodness! I’m so sorry! I had no idea I was talking to one of those internet pandemic experts! Excuse me for getting my news from the Washington Post, N.Y. Times, USA Today, Newsweek, NBC, CBS, NPR and more. But it just amazes me that those who get their “news” off the internet from people with no qualifications think they have all the answers.
That’s very “Shut up and dribble” of you…
So Covid is like Y.A.?
Never going away?
Yikes.
@SteveLuke posted:In his time as head coach of the Packers, MLF has proven to be very good at beating inferior opponents. Like really good.
However, Arizona is not an inferior opponent and beating an undefeated Cardinals' squad on the road, on 3 days rests, with a fairly depleted roster would probably be MLF's most impressive regular season victory to date. The Cards are favored for a reason.
In any event, by thus far beating the teams they should have beaten (and by prevailing on the road against the up and coming Bengals)
Go Pack Go.
I guess beating the 2-0 Niners in their place on SNF was "beating the teams they should've beaten"
Who knew?
If Adams is out who is #1 reciever, the Lizard or MVS? And could this be a breakout game for Amari Rodgers?
@Blair Kiel posted:So Covid is like Y.A.?
Never going away?
Yikes.
So Y.A. is like Herpes?
You can't stop him, you can only hope to contain him.
@ammo posted:If Adams is out who is #1 reciever, the Lizard or MVS? And could this be a breakout game for Amari Rodgers?
I think with Adams out Lazard takes his spot in the offense. But Rodgers isn't going to target him like Adams. Could very well be MVS's night to shine. Cobb and Rodgers stay in their current roles. ESB gets a look or two.
To me the biggest change needs to be relying on Aaron Jones more. You can run on Arizona and he's a great receiver, too. Cards are 31st in the NFL allowing 5 YPC. Run the ball early and often. Don't fall behind to the point you give up on the run.
You know how we always say teams are dumb to not run the ball vs. the Packers? They are 30th in the NFL at 4.9 YPC.
edit: Pretty crazy how close they are defensively. Cards pass defense allows 10.2 YPC, Packers 10.1. That's 6th and 7th in the NFL.
@Boris posted:I guess beating the 2-0 Niners in their place on SNF was "beating the teams they should've beaten"
Who knew?
The Jimmy G led 49ers, who were down to their 4th string RB, and were only 2-0 because they beat the (now) winless 0-7 Lions and woeful 2-5 Eagles, is not a team that GB should've beaten this season?
Who knew?
I guess the (now) 2-5 Seahawks can at least console themselves that despite all that has gone wrong this season they'll always have that huge win in SF to look fondly upon.
And when 2-4 Indianapolis was getting ready to face the mighty 49ers at their place yesterday, I'm sure they understood they had to play a near perfect game to overcome all that awaits a team playing in SF ... on SNF.
I mean the Colts had to have performed almost flawlessly in order to beat the 49ers ... by 12 points ... in SF ... on SNF, right?
@PackerHawk posted:....
edit: Pretty crazy how close they are defensively. Cards pass defense allows 10.2 YPC, Packers 10.1. That's 6th and 7th in the NFL.
Yeah, I was looking at some stats last night and thought that (statistically speaking) the defenses were virtually the same vs the pass and rush. The only advantage AZ has is allowed scores.
@artis posted:The blueprint to win without 17 exists.
Over the last three seasons, the Packers are 6-0 in games Davante Adams misses.
— Matt Schneidman (@mattschneidman) October 25, 2021
Sometimes ya gotta force AR12 to look beyond DA. Thursday he'll have to. Might be a good thing.
@ChilliJon posted:October 1965. The year Chilli came to be. Good year.
damn good year - August 1965 for me - Salute!
Count me in as one who may not think the sky is falling. While losing Adams is never a good thing, I think it may at minimum force GB to revolve the offensive game plan around the ground game and more of ball control offense. I just sure as hell hope Dillon is over his fumbleites, because the 1-2 punch of him and Jones could really prove to be pivotal this week. This approach can also obviously cover up any oline deficiencies in pass protection for the week with less opportunities for Rodgers to get smushed.
@BrainDed posted:Ditto. Your dumbass would rush the line with no ammo and be dead. I’ll dig in deeper and wait for the supplies to get in.
No, you would just surrender. Weak tit. You already said as much. Just treat it as a bye week.
We have plenty of ammo, next man up and all that.
Listening to the pressers yesterday results in some concern with our o-line in this game. The interior guys have had difficulty with protection scheme and both Hackett & MLF talked about some of the unique blitz schemes the Cards use.
@Tavis Smiley posted:I just sure as hell hope Dillon is over his fumbleites, because the 1-2 punch of him and Jones could really prove to be pivotal this week. This approach can also obviously cover up any oline deficiencies in pass protection for the week with less opportunities for Rodgers to get smushed.
He protects the ball pretty well, two arms almost all the time when he's running between the tackles and taking on contact. That first fumble was just a great play by the defense. Helmet directly on the ball. That kinda shit is going to happen once or twice a year. The 2nd one was more on him.
He's got a much smaller sample size but I don't see him as any more of a fumbling problem than Aaron Jones. Then again some here seem to think Jones has a fumbling problem.
Premature to say he's got a fumbling problem, but two on four touches isn't a good average. Cardinals are susceptible to the run so this would be a good game for him to redeem himself after the disaster against the WFT.
@FLPACKER posted:Listening to the pressers yesterday results in some concern with our o-line in this game. The interior guys have had difficulty with protection scheme and both Hackett & MLF talked about some of the unique blitz schemes the Cards use.
I just think the O-Line in general is going to be pretty inconsistent until Bahktiari, Jenkins, and Myers are all healthy and playing their ideal positions. Until then we’ll see occasional rough performances like this past Sunday.
And if Bahktiari and Myers are just too injured to get back to “normal” this year, it won’t be easy to overcome.
@Music City posted:That’s very “Shut up and dribble” of you…
But he's not wrong.
@michiganjoe posted:Premature to say he's got a fumbling problem, but two on four touches isn't a good average. Cardinals are susceptible to the run so this would be a good game for him to redeem himself after the disaster against the WFT.
2 fumbles in 4 touches is a horrible average. 2 fumbles in 110 touches (his actual numbers) is a lot different.
Aaron Jones has 8 in 897 touches.
I’m not worried about Jones or Dillon fumbling.
Just like I’m not worried about Crosby, although, I do wonder if our awesome punter as the placeholder might be impacting things?
Thursday’s game is the classic zero expectation type game. Just like Badgers v Iowa. I’m already expecting them to lose so if they rise up and win that would be a nice surprise.
It’s a long ass season (NFL) so go out and play. For all we know the Cards could come out and play like crap and the Packers beat them.
@fightphoe93 posted:I just think the O-Line in general is going to be pretty inconsistent until Bahktiari, Jenkins, and Myers are all healthy and playing their ideal positions. Until then we’ll see occasional rough performances like this past Sunday.
And if Bahktiari and Myers are just too injured to get back to “normal” this year, it won’t be easy to overcome.
The oline has needed help all year, which is totally understandable. If the oline doesn't reach some level of normal with whoever is starting it won't end well come playoff time.
@Tschmack posted:It’s a long ass season (NFL) so go out and play. For all we know the Cards could come out and play like crap and the Packers beat them.
Or the Cards could play well but the Packers play even better and win. This isn't some David vs. Goliath game. Yeah, the Cards are favored and playing at home. They are expected to win but a Packers win wouldn't be some kind of shock or fluke win.
@Henry posted:The oline has needed help all year, which is totally understandable. If the oline doesn't reach some level of normal with whoever is starting it won't end well come playoff time.
Exactly!! Was watching Herman's video this morning. Said that his ratings of the o-lineman this year compared to last year through 7 games are significantly lower, by far the biggest drop of any position group. Look no further to determine why the offense is not as proficient as last season. Now if Bak comes back & Newman goes to the bench & Myers returns .... could they get to last years level (which still wasn't good enough vs. TB's front)?