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@YATittle posted:

Survival rate ISN'T 99.7%, it's more like 96.6%....

https://www.worldometers.info/...onavirus-death-rate/

From the article:

“Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died. By comparison, seasonal flu generally kills far fewer than 1% of those infected.” ^[13]

Initial estimate was 2%

Initially, the World Health Organization (WHO) had mentioned 2% as a mortality rate estimate in a press conference on Wednesday, January 29 ^[1][2] and again on February 10. However, on January 29 WHO specified that this was a very early and provisional estimate that might have changed. Surveillance was increasing, within China but also globally, but at the time it was said that:

1. We don't know how many were infected ("When you look at how many people have died, you need to look at how many people where infected, and right now we don't know that number. So it is early to put a percentage on that."^[1][2]).
2. The only number currently known is how many people have died out of those who have been reported to the WHO.
3. It is therefore very early to make any conclusive statements about what the overall mortality rate will be for the novel coronavirus, according to the World Health Organization

This. Gotta love the uninformed 99.9 or 99.7 percent idiots.

Let's continue shall we?

The ivermectin literature has been no exception. Over the past six months, we’ve examined about 30 studies of the drug’s use for treating or preventing COVID-19, focusing on randomized studies, or nonrandomized ones that have been influential, with at least 100 participants.

Key word here is "influential".  Meaning the studies dopes like Wile E. Coyote find some way to turn into a diatribe about how vaccines lead to communism.  Did you get that?  Let's say it again for the slowcoach, INFLUENTIAL.  So that means they looked at studies that specifically have made the most impact on eating horse dewormer paste.  Everybody clear on that?  Of course not.  Let's move on.

In the withdrawn study, a team in Egypt compared outcomes among COVID-19 patients who did and did not receive ivermectin—but, for the latter group, they included deaths that had occurred before the study began. (According to the journal Nature, the lead author “defended the paper” in an email, and claimed that the withdrawal took place without his knowledge. He did not respond to an inquiry from The Atlantic.) Other papers also have egregious flaws. Researchers in Argentina said they recruited participants from hospitals that had no record of having participated in the research, and then blamed mistakes on a statistician who claimed never to have been consulted. A few studies show clear evidence of severe data irregularities. In one from Lebanon, for example, the same section of patient records repeats over and over again in the data set, as if it had been copied and pasted. (An author on that paper conceded that the data were flawed, and claimed to have requested a retraction.)

All of the above may not sound that bad. If five out of 30 trials have serious problems, perhaps that means the other 25 are up to snuff. That’s 83 percent! You might be tempted to think of these papers as being like cheaply made light bulbs: Once we’ve discarded the duds with broken filaments, we can just use the “good” ones.

That’s not how any of this works. We can locate obvious errors in a research paper only by reanalyzing the numbers on which the paper is based, so it’s likely that we’ve missed some other, more abstract problems. Also, we have only so much time in the day, and forensic peer review can take weeks or months per paper. We don’t pick papers to examine at random, so it’s possible that the data from the 30 papers we chose are somewhat more reliable, on average, than the rest. A better analogy would be to think of the papers as new cars: If five out of 30 were guaranteed to explode as soon as they entered a freeway on-ramp, you would prefer to take the bus.

Most problematic, the studies we are certain are unreliable happen to be the same ones that show ivermectin as most effective. In general, we’ve found that many of the inconclusive trials appear to have been adequately conducted. Those of reasonable size with spectacular results, implying the miraculous effects that have garnered so much public attention and digital notoriety, have not.

WELL SLAP MY ASS AND CALL ME SALLY!  I sure didn't see THAT coming! 

Oh wait, I did because I read the fucking article.

@BrainDed posted:

It's fine because it fits you.  You have no idea why it didn't fit Lazzard so stop being a selfish prick.   Worst of all, your selfishness is over a fucking football game which you have no real connection to.   

Seriously, it's a fucking football game.   This man has made a personal choice, we don't know why, that he deemed was in the best interest of him and his family.  He hasn't hurt anyone, your feelings of despair over a football game don't count, so fuck off.

How about the bigger picture beyond football? How about we are more than 1 1/2 years into a pandemic? Something that could be reasonably under control if a higher % of people accepted a free FDA approved shot?

Instead we are still seeing hospitals run out of beds because dum dum patriots are out there continuing to spread this shit with their pals. People that don't have COVID but have other critical issues are being turned away or sent to other hospitals because there's simply no beds for them.

Our COVID inpatient numbers have dropped by over 50% in the past month but patient count is up due to all the smaller over crowded hospitals sending patients our way. Nursing staff that is already short handed due to burn out are being asked to work more and more hours to manage the high patient census that's not going to go down once we get into flu season.

It's gotten bad enough that we are even asking back office support staff to volunteer in Covid testing clinics to help with checking in patients because of the extra strain on clinical staff.

All because patriots are exercising their rights to be morons.

You mean like my sister's breast cancer surgery being cancelled because of lack of resources at the hospital?

@lovepack posted:

This. Gotta love the uninformed 99.9 or 99.7 percent idiots.

If you remove the people over 80 with COPD or other lung ailments, 99% seems about right.

For example, there have been fewer than 500 kids aged 17 and under in the US who have died.   There are 90 million kids in the US in that age group.   The question here is does a parent take the risk, very small but real risk, of getting their 5 year old vaccinated knowing those numbers?   First, they have to get infected, then they have to hit the bad luck lottery.  If you choose the jab for them, they just have to hit the bad luck lottery because you chose to infect them.

Injecting people with an mRNA segment that codes for the spike protein on COVID (Pfizer and Moderna) is not infecting anyone with the virus. If you want to use a scientific argument, please learn the correct science.

For all the studying that's occurred it amazes me that the basic biology of the whole situation is so easily overlooked.  I guess it helps to read more than the first two paragraphs.

@BrainDed posted:

If you remove the people over 80 with COPD or other lung ailments...

Which is exactly what Covid is doing.

Straight up conspiracy created by Big Oxygen.

@Blair Kiel posted:

She’s in prison now.

His wife?

Seems kind of harsh for supporting 90's family sit-com actors. 

If one wishes to rebut my statement above with facts, please do.  While this is not a scientific journal, peer review can be applicable here so long as supported facts are used to analyze/critique the argument. BrainDed is welcome to rebut my argument above with supported facts that prove any sort of pathogen is used in the vaccine (J&J vaccine does indeed use an Adenovirus to deliver the spike protein coding, but the virus is deactivated and is not a Corona virus).  I stand by my statement not out of belief or agenda, but because there are many validated studies published by reputable scientists about vaccine composition that have had their work reviewed by other reputable scientists.

The ivermectin studies are happening. They haven’t concluded, so not sure why an Athletic article has the effect of being the be all end all. The Hydroxychloroquin studies were discontinued after the Lancet papers were released. Nothing since that absolute lie was published has put the treatment back into testing phase. So again- no conclusion. So the possibility of real treatment is being quashed in favor of the multi billion dollar vaccine program, and no one thinks that shit seems suspicious? Full out media campaigns to tamp down possible treatments in lieu of the vaccine, and that doesn’t make anyone scratch their heads?

Oh I get it-  the proletariat needs compliance. You also need someone to blame because you just cannot get yourself to believe our fearless leaders could be lying. I mean, the government is only lying when your guy/girl isn’t in the White House right? So demonize the “unvaxxed” and throw out your hilariously unscientific conclusions that because some folks are choosing not to get the vaccine that they’re responsible for deaths. Da, comrade! What else is Pravda telling you to do, you fucking sheep? So here’s a suggestion- get all histrionic when someone casts even the slightest doubt on your fucking dogmatic adherence. 🖕🖕🖕

Where were you all and your fucking peer reviews when the CDC was telling physicians to treat COVID patients with Remdesivir- which was literally killing half the people that took it in Ebola trials? How many deaths could have been avoided if they didn’t tell doctors to administer a fucking death drug??? Hypocrites all…

To be honest, my "dogmatic adherence" to science and its reliance on peer review has delivered to you the highest and safest standard of living the world has ever known. From medicine to semiconductor physics and engineering which is my expertise, all of these advances lay upon scientific discovery refined by the scientific method and evaluated using peer review.  It's not always perfect, but there are self correcting mechanisms inherent in the method to continuously improve the result. As opposed to being communistic, it is in fact quite democratic. Everyone has a say so long as they bring testable and provable data to the table. Maybe you prefer to assign nefarious deep state motives to things, that is your prerogative. Us 'hypocrites' just ask you prove your theories about the deep state instead of just stating it as a fact.

I didn't have to insult you or call you any names to state my case. Dispassionate facts will always beat ad hominem attacks in the public square, and especially in the scientific community.

And exactly how scientific has the pandemic been start to now? Manipulation of death certificates, media-fueled hysteria, Fauci lying to Congress about the research he was funding… more revelations every day. You call that empirical? You think that’s worthy of science? Whole segments of our population being shouted down/demonized publicly if they dare think for themselves, and you really think we’re talking about dispassionate facts? Horseshit.

Trusting science is fine- totally support scientific discovery and the advancements of humanity… then someone lies and pumps panic into the social discourse, turning one group against another in tribalist smear campaigns and hyperbolic witch hunts. That’s authoritarianism- and there is nothing democratic about that.

Unbelievably stupid, very selfish and irresponsible decision by Lazard.  Be in a much better place in the pandemic were it not for people like him.

First post in a year an a half. Fighting this little c thing. But I just have to report in case no one has noticed...Music City has lost his goddamn mind.

@srkbadger posted:

If one wishes to rebut my statement above with facts, please do.  While this is not a scientific journal, peer review can be applicable here so long as supported facts are used to analyze/critique the argument. BrainDed is welcome to rebut my argument above with supported facts that prove any sort of pathogen is used in the vaccine (J&J vaccine does indeed use an Adenovirus to deliver the spike protein coding, but the virus is deactivated and is not a Corona virus).  I stand by my statement not out of belief or agenda, but because there are many validated studies published by reputable scientists about vaccine composition that have had their work reviewed by other reputable scientists.

I wasn’t trying to imply that the vax infects you with the virus. Poor choice of words on my part.   I was implying that you take on risk by getting the vax.   This is also an undisputed fact.  

So the question for kids is... is that risk worth it considering that there is such minimal risk to them IF, and it’s a if, they ever get infected with Covid.

Per CDC website, less than 500 have died.   Of those, how many had serious issues prior to contracting Covid?   That is out of 90 million kids in the US.   So I’m not seeing the risk / reward being cut and dry like it is for elderly people.

The same argument can be made, to a lesser extent, for young healthy adults.   People like, say,  Alan Lazard.   You all assume he is healthy and this is why you call him selfish for not getting the vax.  So if he is healthy and a young adult, he is very low risk of having complications IF he gets the virus.   Perhaps the selfishness lies with the people demanding he take a vaccine that he is not comfortable with for whatever fucking reason he deems appropriate.  

PS, I’m vaccinated, I just respect other people’s choices.  Always have.  That’s why I have always been pro choice, pro gay marriage, and so on.  It’s not my business.   This is why I have always voted liberal in Presidential elections with the hopes that liberal Justices, that get appointed, will rule on the side of individual rights on social issues.  No longer, that side has lost its fucking mind. They let the bad orange man push them to extremism.  They are just as bat shit crazy as the right winger yelling at “the gays” that they are gonna burn in Hell.   That’s what a whole bunch of you are doing right now.  

JF.  This thread went to shit.

Yes, very complicated issue. I get what BrainDed is saying about risk / reward for kids / young adults. However the bigger picture is that even with a very low risk to serious illness to themselves, they can still spread the virus. It is just a numbers game....the more people that have it, the  more it spreads, the more it spreads, the greater number of deaths / chances for the virus to mutate / disruption to economy, etc. I see it as my civic duty for the good of the group, I know many don't see it that way.

Risk/reward indeed

Oldest daughter (16) developed post COVID19 asthma after testing positive almost a year ago.  Her treating physician said she’s encountered dozens of others between the ages of 12-18 (otherwise healthy) that now have heart and lung and other health issues as a result.

So yeah.  She didn’t die, but her quality of life won’t be the same.  

Not to mention the thousands of dollars we spent trying to figure out what was wrong with her.

So take your 99% bullshit and shove it up your selfish ignorant asses.  I pray that all of you will still continue to have access to healthcare despite all of the resources being tied up treating C19 and hope no one in your household or family suffers or dies from this but hey, it’s all about freedom and liberty!!

@Tschmack posted:

Risk/reward indeed

Oldest daughter (16) developed post COVID19 asthma after testing positive almost a year ago.  Her treating physician said she’s encountered dozens of others between the ages of 12-18 (otherwise healthy) that now have heart and lung and other health issues as a result.

So yeah.  She didn’t die, but her quality of life won’t be the same.  

Not to mention the thousands of dollars we spent trying to figure out what was wrong with her.

So take your 99% bullshit and shove it up your selfish ignorant asses.  I pray that all of you will still continue to have access to healthcare despite all of the resources being tied up treating C19 and hope no one in your household or family suffers or dies from this but hey, it’s all about freedom and liberty!!

Three of my students that got it told me they thought they were going to die. One still has long COVID. Peanut butter tastes like dog feces she says. Others get it and it’s nothing. That’s why the virus is evil.

Peanut butter may taste like dog shit smells,  or she really is a dumb shit if she has actually tasted dog shit.

This whole page needs to be wiped.

You’re a dick , ammo. 😀

@H5 posted:

This whole page needs to be wiped.

They made him provide his own uniform?

@Pakrz posted:

JF.  This thread went to shit.

Who saw THAT coming?

@YATittle posted:

Three of my students that got it told me they thought they were going to die. One still has long COVID. Peanut butter tastes like dog feces she says. Others get it and it’s nothing. That’s why the virus is evil.

And it's so rare kids of that age exaggerate

@ammo posted:

Peanut butter may taste like dog shit smells,  or she really is a dumb shit if she has actually tasted dog shit.

WTF?

Fricken TRUMPHUMPERS™ !

@srkbadger posted:

To be honest, my "dogmatic adherence" to science and its reliance on peer review has delivered to you the highest and safest standard of living the world has ever known. From medicine to semiconductor physics and engineering which is my expertise, all of these advances lay upon scientific discovery refined by the scientific method and evaluated using peer review.  It's not always perfect, but there are self correcting mechanisms inherent in the method to continuously improve the result. As opposed to being communistic, it is in fact quite democratic. Everyone has a say so long as they bring testable and provable data to the table. Maybe you prefer to assign nefarious deep state motives to things, that is your prerogative. Us 'hypocrites' just ask you prove your theories about the deep state instead of just stating it as a fact.

I didn't have to insult you or call you any names to state my case. Dispassionate facts will always beat ad hominem attacks in the public square, and especially in the scientific community.

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