Some interesting stuff on the DL and how Barry deploys them
https://wisportsheroics.com/th...gb-needs-to-upgrade/
Packers could use an upgrade at 5-Tech, author offers a couple options
Packers are gonna need to find a vet or two. Behind KC, TJ Slaton, and Wyatt, the Packers have two second year players in Chris Slayton and Jonathan Ford. Not ideal. Would hate to rely on those five and a draft pick or two, even a first rounder (not a sure thing).
Say what you will about Lowry, but he was dependable and decent. He had flaws, but he was much better than a journeyman player.
If tampa implodes this year with no qb, Bowles will probably be available. He can coach circles around joe barry.
For about 4 years now, I think the Packers have intended to draft/acquire DTs and/or NTs that could reduce Clark's snap counts, but injury and other circumstances haven't allowed that, and his counts remain excessive.
This has an added importance now with the 17 game schedule.
2016 (Rookie year) 333 snaps 32% of defensive snaps.
2017 684 65% (most among DL) + 69 ST snaps.
2018 720 68% (most among DL) + 66 ST snaps.
2019 869 83+% (by far the most among DL).
2020 (Groin injury) 595 58% (barely 2nd most, behind Lowry by 7 snaps).
2021 782 72+% (most among DL)
2022 807 78% (most among DL) + 80 ST snaps.
That need still exists, and the team needs to do what it can to finally fill it.
MLF is just WRONG about this guy.
MLF is wrong, but that depends on which Barry shows up this year. Will it be the one from the first three games and the five-game stretch or the one from the putrid nine games? Barry has to decide which way he's going to call the game: reactive or proactive. When he called it proactively, his players had more success; reactively, he failed his players. We have some excellent athletes on D, don't make them play reactively.
Found on the internet:
And this has been the issue for the last two seasons. Barry won't or even worse, CAN'T seem to adapt to the game that's happening on the field at the moment. It's all fine and well to have a game plan going in. But when the opposing offense runs up and down the field, CBs are still WAY off on 3rd and 7, and teams seem to convert those 3rd downs with little resistance, you HAVE to adjust. This is where Barry has failed...BIG TME!
IMO the Packers have quite a bit of talent on this team. I'm very anxious to watch the offense this year, BUT they still need weapons. The Defense SHOULD be able to keep the team in most games. If they can't, or it's more of the same ole, same ole, the MLF may have a hard time saving himself at seasons end. Another year like that, watching a defense play like THAT, then EVERYBODY has to go. Especially after the Mo Drayton disaster.
Based upon the caliber of the writing, are you sure that wasnât found in someoneâs 8th grade âdear diaryâ?
Bluechip scouting with some intel on the Packers defense in the " Penny" front and some potential picks that fit that front
https://www.bluechipscouting.c...-fitting-penny-front
Scheme Fitting: Penny Front/ Cover 9
The Philadelphia Eagles are doing it. The LA Chargers are doing it
The Green Bay Packers are doing it. The LA Rams did it.
The Chicago Bears did it. The Miami Dolphins will be doing it next season.
What is a Penny Front ?
" By label you can consider a Penny front a 3-3-5 personnel package. There are 3 defensive linemen, 3 Linebackers and 5 defensive backs. On the field this personnel package is deployed as a 5-1 front. That would be 5 defenders on the line of scrimmage with 1 stacked Linebacker behind them.
The defensive linemen will be lined up in either a 303 or 404 line. The term 303 refers to the technique that the linemen line up in, so 303 would be a 3 Tech next to a 0 Tech (or NT) next to another 3 Tech, 404 is the same only the technique is 4i which is a defensive lineman lined up on the inside shoulder of the Offensive Tackle.
On the outside of the linemen are your outside linebackers. They are lined up in either a wide 5 or wide 9 technique. A wide 5 is the rusher lined up on the outside shoulder of the OT, a wide 9 is outside of the TE if heâs on the end of the line. The outside linebackers are rushing from a 2 point stance (standing up), but also will have coverage duties. The third linebacker is stacked behind the line of scrimmage. In the secondary there are typically 2 deep safeties behind that 5-1 front.
The concept of this defense is to limit big plays over the top while still being able to defend the run with a lighter box up front"
Lots more in the article
(Snip from article) "The concept of this defense is to limit big plays over the top while still being able to defend the run with a lighter box up front. ... Against the pass the defense has one on one matchups across the line creating the pass rush and 2 deep safeties to prevent anything over the top. The idea is to force the offense into making quick, precise decisions over and over again and slowly work their way down the field. An approach not many offenses are capable of."
I would argue that even if Barry is using the Penny: a) we didn't defend well against the run; b) it didn't create much of a pass rush; c) it seemed a lot of offenses were able to precisely work their way down the field pretty easily against us time after time. Either Barry is using the Penny when we don't have the guys to run it or he has no clue how/when to run it or maybe it doesn't work against good teams.
@Blair Kiel posted:Based upon the caliber of the writing, are you sure that wasnât found in someoneâs 8th grade âdear diaryâ?
You're just jealous of his sweet hair
Some irony that every time I see this thread bumped, I come in here hoping to read that this sh*t streak has been let go...only to be let down.
Oh, in the grand menu of x4 "Let Downs" this thread ain't even an appetizer.
Just reading the title of this thread, every time it gets bumped to the top, steals a piece of my sole.
More on Fangio / Staley defense from The Athletic - and some of this is part of Joe Barry's defense as well
âI donât think people understand â the quarterback in a lot of play-actions is blind for about a second,â said Cody Alexander, a former Baylor defensive assistant and author of the âMatch Quartersâ literary series in which he studies and translates the modernization of college and NFL defenses.
âIf you have a predetermined pre-snap mental model of what the field looks like, and you kind of have a perception of where safeties are, where theyâre moving â but itâs two-high, and the next moment I turn around and Iâve got weak rotation or I turn around and itâs strong rotation or the safety is now completely moved â now I have to re-set my mental model,â Alexander said.
âAnd with the way the front structure and pressure is built, your processing has to be so much faster.â
Because a safety doesnât have to necessarily account for a gap when a defensive front successfully plays gap-and-a-half... he can continue to play downfield instead of over-committing into the box and opening the opportunity for the ball to be placed behind him.
And that marries into the best way for a defensive back to counter the play-action, in Alexanderâs mind â which is to play from depth, as Fangioâs safeties traditionally have (and now Staleyâs, too).
â(Itâs saying), âWeâre going to leverage play-action against you,â Alexander said.
âBut then also, (itâs saying), weâre going to change the picture post-snap so that what you see when you take that ball, when you turn your back to us and then turn back around, youâre going to have to figure it all back out.
And I think those two things, in particular, are what is so genius about the system. It changes the picture post-snap, but also it leverages the defense so itâs not going to just get abused by play-action.â
EIGHT (8) 1st round picks + 3 significant contract Free Agents.
Is that finally enough talent for old Joe to coach up a top 1/2 in the NFL Defense?
Joe Barry steals people's shoes?
Just the soles
That totally tracks.
Safe to say Joe Barry (and by extension MLF) will be under the microscope with another significant investment in the defense. Really need to see more than the mediocrity from the unit we saw last year.
I do believe gutey fired the shot last night, get it done or the shit canning may happen in-season...they are all under the microscope right now.
@pkr_north posted:I do believe gutey fired the shot last night, get it done or the shit canning may happen in-season...they are all under the microscope right now.
That's encouraging news. What did he say?
I think it was in response to a Jason Wilde question about 7 of 8 first rd picks by Gutekunst being defense.
Paraphrasing, Gutekunst said they have (very) high expectations for the defense.
Gutekunst also said they had high expectations last year, and while there were moments the consistency wasn't there.
"while there were moments the consistency wasn't there."
That's the key. That's coaching.
Could Love take Barry along to that children's camp this summer?
Podcast from Herman on the second biggest issue regarding the team this year.
I'm hoping the defense can rise above their coaching.
They canât. The coaching needs to improve:
@H5 posted:Improve what? I was expecting a list or proposed optin(s) based on your punctuation.
Goalline realized "the list" was going to be so long there would not be enough streets in New York city to wrap the list around. So it is just one more thing that we would have to create in cyber land where there would be room to store it.
My brain froze up. It was a daunting list.
Old age does that to people you old .........wait, I forgot what I was going to post.
@michiganjoe posted:Podcast from Herman on the second biggest issue regarding the team this year.
I think we should get Matlock to organize our defense. He is expensive, but he never loses.
@Ghost of Lambeau posted:I think we should get Matlock to organize our defense. He is expensive, but he never loses.
As long as you feed him enough hot dogs!
Not a problem. The new defensive motto will be "We will eat our opponents like we eat our dogs". Hopefully the humane society won't take that the wrong way.
Penny is the perfect name for that defense. Might be too rich, actually.
@packerboi I didn't look thru 25 pages to check but (Sole Stealer)? Sole like singular, only one? Or sole of your shoe? Or do you mean soul like Barry steals your spirit, your will to live?