Oy
There are and will be some more head coach jobs available. Maybe Berry will get one of those and then MLF won't have to fire him.
@GreenBayLA posted:Wisco Sports show reported tweet quoting LaFleur: he anticipates Joe Barry returning next year, no major coaching changes.
@Chongo posted:Welp...BFF is keeping Dingle Barry...just said so in his post season presser.
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Thanks FLPACKER but I can't watch the guy fumble around for answers. LaFleur is a good person but he's what Robert Bly calls a soft male. "Lovely, valuable people...they are life-preserving but not exactly life-giving...In every relationship something fierce is needed once in a while." Time to man up and fire Barry.
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well that pretty much tells us all we need to know about matt lafleur. he's either blind or is afraid to make an obviously necessary change. get ready for some rocky years. it ain't gonna be pretty.
So now this team is farting in an elevator instead of the wind!
@Blair Kiel posted:I put a little gold star in your file.
You're a witty mf-er!! Love to see sarcastic humor. Ever watched Bill Burr??
If MLF wonât make changes, he will get to be the change.
@michiganjoe posted:Think Tom Silverstein put it pretty well- "the sheen has come off of Matt LaFleur".
Some Pepe LaFleur "sheen" and a side of Dingle Barry? Sounds like a sh*t streak to me.
@RochNyFan posted:You're a witty mf-er!! Love to see sarcastic humor. Ever watched Bill Burr??
Love Bill Burr like I loved Bill Hicks.
unfortunately we fans are going to suffer through some ugly years because matty boy has no guts and no spine. and murphy ainât gonna do nothing to stop it.
Safe to say MLF is putting himself on the hot seat when they start 2023 in another lull? You rise or fall with the coaches you bring.
what a hot mess. bring joe barry back? why on earth would you do that?
@artis posted:Safe to say MLF is putting himself on the hot seat when they start 2023 in another lull? You rise or fall with the coaches you bring.
I hope the seat catches fire soon. Burn his ass.
weâre screwed
Get used to being 3rd or 4th in the division.
I like MLF the person and have supported MLF the head coach, but sticking with Joe Barry as his DC after a woeful 2022 performance may be an even worse decision than the one he made in hiring him in the first place.
This is now officially the MLF defense not the Joe Barry defense.
If and when the Packers fire Joe Barry, the individual responsible for bringing Barry to GB should get fired as well.
@tsr86free posted:If MLF wonât make changes, he will get to be the change.
Fortunately and unfortunately, this isnât Dallas.
@Blair Kiel posted:Love Bill Burr like I loved Bill Hicks.
Have you seen the bit about when his kid talks back and he launches into the "is today the day" routine? Meaning that the kid is going to fight him? Or his rant about women not supporting the WNBA?
The WNBA skit is hilarious. Dude is a riot.
In effen credible
Tried to wrap my head around the logic about retaining Barry. My gut reaction is MLF...a guy that seems uncomfortable saying "pissed off," in front of the media like an 8 year old, really doesn't want to be a bad guy. Which adds to my long-held opinion he is not enough of an asshole to be an effective HC.
Giving the benefit of the doubt, Barry has only been here 2 years. Every time you hire a new coordinator, it takes time for them to implement their system. It takes time to bring in all the right personnel, etc.
While we've all had our frustrations with Dingle, his D HAS shown the ability to play really good D...unlike the Mennenga/Drayton ST units who were awful from start to finish in every facet.
As bad as the D was...the offense was worse. MLF said he's open to bringing Hackett back...but as what? He obviously doesn't have the balls to fire or demote anyone, so are he and Steno going to be co-OC? Is Hackett going to miraculously improve the dog shit OL? Is Hackett going to convince Ayahuasca Boy to show up for minicamps to work with WR/TE and build chemistry?
I don't think MLF, or anyone else, in the FO listens to what the fans are saying, on X4 and elsewhere, about Barry and his soft D. Maybe, they should! Living in a bubble, at 1265 Lombardi, shuts them off from having to deal with what the fans can clearly see. Too bad for them and even worse for us fans. The play where it's 4th and 2 and we are playing 8 yards off, should be played ad nauseam in the FO and all there, should be forced to watch it until it sinks in.
@Chongo posted:While we've all had our frustrations with Dingle, his D HAS shown the ability to play really good D...unlike the Mennenga/Drayton ST units who were awful from start to finish in every facet.
As bad as the D was...the offense was worse. MLF said he's open to bringing Hackett back...but as what? He obviously doesn't have the balls to fire or demote anyone, so are he and Steno going to be co-OC? Is Hackett going to miraculously improve the dog shit OL? Is Hackett going to convince Ayahuasca Boy to show up for minicamps to work with WR/TE and build chemistry?
Gute failed to replace Adams at WR. Period, bottom line. While no, you are not replacing a future HOF WR just like that, bringing in Watkins and drafting 2 rookies wasn't even remotely close to replacing his production. It was a huge failure. That to me, beyond coaching was the biggest problem that screwed this offense.
As for Barry, in all probability he will be fielding a defense in 2023 that will have 8!!! , count them, 8 first round players plus All Pro's in Campbell and Douglas who they brought back. I say 8 first round picks because Gute either goes Edge or Safety in the 1st round in May.
With all of that talent, a fuckin' monkey as DC should field a top 10 defense. That the defense played well at times IMO has nothing to do with Barry. It's the stupid amount of talent rising to the top at times that of course showed what they could be.
Douglas relegated to the slot to start the season? Idiotic and completely on Barry.
Alexander playing zone defense to start the season and not trailing Jefferson? Idiotic and completely on Barry.
Eric Stokes and Darnell Savage, 2 first round picks, regressing to the point where Savage gets benched, then finally figuring out he may be better suited in the slot and playing robber occasionally? Idiotic and completely on Barry.
Failing to adjust to offensive game plans a team comes out with and simply having no feel for a game as it goes on? Idiotic and completely on Barry.
Creating a culture of tolerance where bone headed plays like Douglas, Wyatt, Walker, and Reed all did in a single game with the season on the line and where arguably every one of those players could have been ejected off his defense? Idiotic and completely on Barry.
Look, I am not hoping this defense fails in '23. But for fuck sakes, this dude has a long resume of fail at this position and the only reason he may succeed in '23 is because there is just so much damn talent that it overcomes his inept ability to be a DC.
And if this does fail? Again? Then MLF's job should 100 percent be on the line.
Exactly!
The salary cap has prevented the team from getting more quality players. And this coming league year will be worse. Blame the coaches if you want. But often the coaches are only as good as their players. Sure, sometimes, a new concept does wonders but it doesnât last long before opponents figure it out. The biggest complaint about Barry has been that he does not adjust. By the end of the year he did seem to do that. Yet it has been the offense that has let us down. Much of that has been due to rookies and injuries. Due to cap restrictions this year, good players will have to be let go. That will be an ever bigger challenge for the coaches.
@packerboi posted:Gute failed to replace Adams at WR. Period, bottom line. While no, you are not replacing a future HOF WR just like that, bringing in Watkins and drafting 2 rookies wasn't even remotely close to replacing his production. It was a huge failure. That to me, beyond coaching was the biggest problem that screwed this offense.
As for Barry, in all probability he will be fielding a defense in 2023 that will have 8!!! , count them, 8 first round players plus All Pro's in Campbell and Douglas who they brought back. I say 8 first round picks because Gute either goes Edge or Safety in the 1st round in May.
With all of that talent, a fuckin' monkey as DC should field a top 10 defense. That the defense played well at times IMO has nothing to do with Barry. It's the stupid amount of talent rising to the top at times that of course showed what they could be.
Douglas relegated to the slot to start the season? Idiotic and completely on Barry.
Alexander playing zone defense to start the season and not trailing Jefferson? Idiotic and completely on Barry.
Eric Stokes and Darnell Savage, 2 first round picks, regressing in '23 to the point where Savage gets benched, then finally figuring out he may be better suited in the slot and playing robber occasionally? Idiotic and completely on Barry.
Failing to adjust to offensive game plans a team comes out with and simply having no feel for a game as it goes on? Idiotic and completely on Barry.
Creating a culture of tolerance where bone headed plays like Douglas, Wyatt, Walker, and Reed all did in a single game with the season on the line and where arguably every one of those players could have been ejected off his defense? Idiotic and completely on Barry.
Look, I am not hoping this defense fails in '23. But for fuck sakes, this dude has a long resume of fail at this position and the only reason he may succeed in '23 is because there is just so much damn talent that it overcomes his inept ability to be a DC.
And if this does fail? Again? Then MLF's job should 100 percent be on the line.
Very well written. Let's not forget that some of the defensive players had to call a meeting with Barry to get the moron to make some adjustments. He needs to be gone right now and I feel MLF should be as well especially if he doesn't let Barry go which appears to be the case.
MFL prefers stability and continuity and was never going to make the change unless he absolutely had to, and the trending of the defense the past several weeks took that off the table. Offense was a bigger issue than the defense and MLF's approach of the status-quo being generally acceptable is a risky one for him absent marked improvement of the team.
The alarm bells should have been blaring on Stokes before the season because he was being abused by guys like Doubs routinely in practice. It was one of the worst kept secrets in GB. Barry should have figured that out. Get Stokes in the slot because Douglas is a boundary corner and excels at it.
Alexander playing zone should never happen. He doesnât tackle well and heâs arguably one of the 5 best pure man cover guys in football.
Savage (like Clinton Dix) started off well but this team has a history of giving guys too many damn opportunities to fail until it ends up costing them big time. Detroit attacked Savage. Heâs the weak link and everyone knows it.
My concern with Barry is heâs never going to take good players and turn them into great players. He needs an army of studs on the roster to be effective and no team has enough cap space or draft capital to make that work.
This is ultimately why Iâm not sold on MLF either. Heâs far too patient and trusting. No one fears him.
@packerboi 100% on Gutey playing a vital role in this fuckery.
Took Josh Myers over Creed Humphrey who is going to be the best C in the game for a decade. Myers has had moments, but got absolutely abused vs Lions as did Yosh and Jon Onion Jr. Onion was only starting because he was a vastly improve option over Newman.
Our best OL in order....69, 74, 50, 71, 73 and then a bag of dicks. And upgrade at RT is necessary...whether it's Tom, Rasheed Walker (doubt it), bringing in a vet or spending #15 on Bulaga 2.0 it must be done.
Great year for TE in R2, R3 and R4 which means the Packers won't draft one.
I've seen projections of Packers getting Addison at #15...not sure he will be there at that point. If he is then pairing him with 9 and 87 could be the kind of explosion the Packers were lacking. But none of it matters if the OL continues to block like ass and 12 gets nervous and starts hero-balling it.
Points to consider: maybe MLF does not want a reputation as a head coach who hires a guy and then fires him soon after because then it's tougher to get good coaches to join your staff. Would a guy like Leonhard want to come to GB to implement his system if he knew it may be over in a year or even two? It's also tougher to get players to play in a here-today-potentially-gone-tomorrow coach scenario. Look at Carr of the Raiders: the guy has had four head coaches, two interim head coaches, and many more signal callers in nine years in the NFL. Carr's had so many changes and different ways of doing things that he doesn't know who he is anymore. That's a hard slog for anyone and a potential career-killer.
OTOH, if MLF doesn't fire a staff coach who is clearly out of his depth, then potential free agents don't want to play for a guy who doesn't know WTF he's doing. It's also, unfortunately, a great way to alienate your current players who will want to go elsewhere to play.
I don't know what the "magic number of seasons" is, but many times it seems that head coaches are danged if they do, and danged if they don't.
Agree with Packerboi and 13X. If you look at the players on defense in most people's judgement (fans, sportswriteridiots, other players and any idiot) then the sum of the parts is less than the parts. Either guys like Campbell, Clark, Smith, Walker, Amos, Douglass, Alexander (Gary and Stokes before hurt) are over-rated or the defense is not up to potential.
In addition, there are times where this defense was just downright embarrassed. Granted they seemed to play better towards the end of the season, but that was against Fields, Mayfield, a concussed Tua, Kark and Goff.
@RochNyFan posted:Or his rant about women not supporting the WNBA?
Honestly really insightful.
@Chongo posted:@packerboi 100% on Gutey playing a vital role in this fuckery.
Took Josh Myers over Creed Humphrey who is going to be the best C in the game for a decade. Myers has had moments, but got absolutely abused vs Lions as did Yosh and Jon Onion Jr. Onion was only starting because he was a vastly improve option over Newman.
Our best OL in order....69, 74, 50, 71, 73 and then a bag of dicks. And upgrade at RT is necessary...whether it's Tom, Rasheed Walker (doubt it), bringing in a vet or spending #15 on Bulaga 2.0 it must be done.
Great year for TE in R2, R3 and R4 which means the Packers won't draft one.
I've seen projections of Packers getting Addison at #15...not sure he will be there at that point. If he is then pairing him with 9 and 87 could be the kind of explosion the Packers were lacking. But none of it matters if the OL continues to block like ass and 12 gets nervous and starts hero-balling it.
Myers is a below average center. Gute, as usual, simply went for the bigger guy. Creed Humphrey is so much better.
@Goalline posted:Myers is a below average center. Gute, as usual, simply went for the bigger guy. Creed Humphrey is so much better.
If size was the only factor then it's even more dumb...Myers is 6'5", Creed is 6'4" and their combine weight was like 8lbs difference.
He probably liked the fact he felt Myers could play OG if C didn't work out. Typical personnel nerd overthinking shit.
@Goalline posted:Honestly really insightful.
Iâve been a Bill Burr fan since he did that festival in Philly where the fans started heckling every comedian that went on stage. They started heckling him and he spent his entire time on stage trashing the crowd and everything about Philly.
By the time he was finished the crowd was cheering him on.