@bdplant posted:I’ve been a Bill Burr fan since he did that festival in Philly where the fans started heckling every comedian that went on stage. They started heckling him and he spent his entire time on stage trashing the crowd and everything about Philly.
By the time he was finished the crowd was cheering him on.
I would love to see that.🤣🤣🤣
Me too. Is it on YouTube?
Good boxer too!
My take
No one should be happy about the way this season went, but having expectation is what kills me all the time. The players did not play up to snuff. The OL and WR groups were in constant flux. Once they got settled, we started to have success running and throwing the ball. The defense underperformed. However, the pass D put up good numbers for most of the season. The pressure package was designed around a player that got hurt, and we know the unit was short on depth. Everyone thinks there is a magic key. There is not. Players need to play up to their abilities. That sort of thing gets coaches fired (and it may/may not), but it is down to the players to do their jobs
The concern was the run defense. 26th in rush yards per game (139.5 YPG) and 28th in rush yards per attempt (5.0 YPA). That's why the defense sucked.
@YATittle posted:Me too. Is it on YouTube?
To quote @Iowacheese, Jesus Fuck.
"We played well enough against Justin Fields, Baker Mayfield, concussed Tua for one half and Kirk Cousins, and I really don't want to make another change" is probably not a good enough reason to keep the status quo.
— Zach Kruse (@zachkruse2) January 10, 2023
Looks like he's on an upward swing. Maybe he'll get back up into the teens by around 2035!
MLF's seat will rightfully begin to get warm if his risky embrace of the status quo doesn't work out.
@DH13 posted:Terrible band. Excellent supporting character on a sitcom.
Back in the day there was a running joke between 12 and Crabtree about the other one liking the band Creed. They would sneak it into interviews and such. "I went over to Tom's house to go over the film with him, and he was listening to the Creed box set...
Oh the irony that as he aged, 12 began to resemble Scott Stapp...
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Hiring and holding onto coordinators like Drayton and Barry shows that the HC might not be up to the task. Not recognizing the need for an OC is another indicator, along with riding with Newman and Savage (and AMARI) for so long. The seat should already be hot.
Which one is Scott?
@tsr86free posted:Hiring and holding onto coordinators like Drayton and Barry shows that the HC might not be up to the task. Not recognizing the need for an OC is another indicator, along with riding with Newman and Savage (and AMARI) for so long. The seat should already be hot.
It's beyond disappointing and clearly a pattern that MLF is slow to make necessary changes and has done a poor job of hiring assistants.
Agree with the various criticisms of MLF but three consecutive thirteen win regular seasons gets you quite a bit of leeway. MLF now needs to demonstate that this year was an anomaly and not part of a disturbing trend.
As for MLF holding on to assistants for so long, let's remember MM and how enamored he was with Dom for far too long as well as Zook, etc. Not saying MLF shouldn't can Barry, but just pointing out he's not the first guy in GB to do it.
The old adage of if you listen to the fans you end up sitting with them seems appropriate. 
I think the team should think about the season as a whole ,discuss it among the FO, Coaches etc before saying ANYTHING . Wait a week or two , hash it out and then have a press conference. Just seems like its a little kneejerk this soon . Haste makes waste and all that stuff,
@Goalline posted:I would love to seen that.🤣🤣🤣
ftfy 
So will this be a Mike Pettine thing with Gray? Sounds like that's quite possible. I'm really not sure Gray was the issue with an underperforming defensive backfield. It seems like these guys were schemed out of position or at least playing out of their position of strength:
A couple of Packers coaches - Rich Bisaccia and Jerry Gray - have interviewed elsewhere.
— Rob Demovsky (@RobDemovsky) January 23, 2023
Per a source, Gray is not currently under contract for next season allowing him to peruse any opportunity without being blocked.
Doesn't mean he won't return. Just means he's a free agent. https://t.co/DXZ2d6joW9
The Packers coaches concluded their immediate after the season work last week and now off until Feb. 13.
— Rob Demovsky (@RobDemovsky) January 23, 2023
There were no major changes, meaning Joe Barry will almost surely return as Matt LaFleur suggested right after the season.
Just confirmation of MLF's embrace of the status quo.
@michiganjoe posted:The Packers coaches concluded their immediate after the season work last week and now off until Feb. 13.
— Rob Demovsky (@RobDemovsky) January 23, 2023
There were no major changes, meaning Joe Barry will almost surely return as Matt LaFleur suggested right after the season.Just confirmation of MLF's embrace of the status quo.
That is horrible news. I was hoping he would still make a change there. It feels like we are already compromised going into next season with Barry running the defense....
I also wonder if Gray being a "free agent" means he doesn't want to deal with dingle barry in 2023. He could come back, sure, but it sounds like he and/or GB are ready to move on.
@packerboi posted:I also wonder if Gray being a "free agent" means he doesn't want to deal with dingle barry in 2023. He could come back, sure, but it sounds like he and/or GB are ready to move on.
Either that or maybe they didn't like the job that Gray did with the backs. Interesting to hear what some of the DBs would say...
I see Gray as guy who got on DBs a$$ and demanded high performance. He is likely tired of being 2nd banana to Slow Death Dingle Barry. Looking for fresh start elsewhere, hopefully NOT MN. I hope we keep him and especially Rich B on ST.
He came from MN, if I'm not mistaken. I thought he called a great game last year (?) when Barry was out, but who knows? Maybe Barry sees him as the problem or maybe Gray doesn't want to be a part of Barry's sieve.
If Rashan Gary comes back healthy and the Packers add another decent pass rusher, Barry's defense will look at least average and he'll have a job even longer. If Gary doesn't come back healthy and they do nothing else to help the pass rush, they'll crater next year.
Barry's scheme is designed to make sure they don't give up big plays. He's the eptiome of someone you hire when you are coaching and playing not to lose instead of someone who is coaching to win.
The last sentence of what you wrote. Mike Sherman territory. Saw how well that worked out in Philly in the playoffs one year.
That didn't work against the Loins either!
Will it take half a season next year for Barry again to realize how best to utilize the defense?
Numbers show Packers cornerback Jaire Alexander played his best when in press coverage
Barry is an IDOT
Not surprisingly, Cynthia Frelund of NFL.com picked the Packers defense as one of her most underperforming units of the 2022 season based on her analytic models.
From Frelund:
So … I picked the Pack to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl based mainly on their defense, the presence of a back-to-back MVP QB (Aaron Rodgers) and Green Bay’s run game/offensive line. I was wrong. My models had all three levels of the defense ranked no lower than sixth in win share. I also forecasted some different usage from players such as safety Darnell Savage, who is better when given more coverage responsibilities. Again — I got this one very wrong. While we saw some intermittent increases in pressure rates and individual game grades for players, as well as parts of the defense ranking in the top half of the NFL at different points in 2022, and while Green Bay finished with a respectable-seeming yards-allowed ranking of 17th, the Packers were very inconsistent, with all three levels of the defense ending the season ranked no higher than 18th.
Every day Barry is employed by the organization is an insult. I like Mayo but even my historic goodwill is at risk with this one
Your historic goodwill?
The orphans you routinely punch beg to differ.
I go back to what I brought up during the season ... both Barry & MLF constantly referring to players by their nicknames is a red flag for me. Ironic that AR brought up the concept of him thinking that the most effective leaders don't strive to be "liked", rather they strive to be "respected" when plugging for Bisaccia to get a HC position. My mind immediately went to "is he mentally comparing the difference between Bisaccia and MLF / Barry" ? I always told my players "you don't need another friend, you need someone who isn't afraid to tell you the truth". It worked well for me. I've seen a lot of coaches who "needed" to be liked ... players sense this, and why while they usually like them, in the end they don't have great respect for their leadership abilities.
The thought of going into the season with Barry as the DC again is beyond disheartening. MLF's downfall may well be failure to take action when it is very obvious it is needed and doing a poor job of selecting his staff.
@13X posted:The thought of going into the season with Barry as the DC again is beyond disheartening. MLF's downfall may well be failure to take action when it is very obvious it is needed and doing a poor job of selecting his staff.
MLF would have probably had a Super Bowl appearance already had he simply replaced Drayton at the 2021 bye week with a competent special teams coach. Without the Niners scoring the gift touchdown on the blocked punt return, the Packers win that game. It was obvious to everyone that Drayton was an issue, MLF admitted his special teams were an issue to Aikman and Buck, but didn't make the change he needed to make.
Joe Barry is not Drayton. He's one of the couple dozen retreads that keep getting defensive coordinator or defensive position coach jobs around the league. He's a below-average coach, but he's not incompetent. If the Packers would have had a Joe Barry-level special teams coach in 2021, they'd have beaten the Niners and probably gone to the Super Bowl.
If and when the end comes for MLF in Green Bay, the 2021 loss to the Niners will be the beginning of the end. Even though MM got to another NFC title game after it, the beginning of the end for MM in Green Bay was really that Seattle title game fiasco caused in large part by special teams screwups.
If Bisaccia leaves, let's see if they go back to cheaping out on special teams hires or prioritize paying someone well to get better candidates.
As for Barry, yes it sucks that he's back again, but MLF is not going to fire another DC without them being incompetent. To borrow from Bill Walsh's comment on Steve DeBerg, just good enough to get you beat is MLF's style.
