Would be stupid to not consider wink martindale. He did a tremendous job in NY
I thought I read somewhere that he really wanted to be a HC?
The question is: do you want someone like Martindale with a lot of experience who will bring in his own scheme, or do you want a younger guy who might not have the experience but may be more innovative?
@Grave Digger posted:Fire Barry. Dont even waste time interviewing, here’s your new hire:
Why?
@Grave Digger posted:Fire Barry. Dont even waste time interviewing, here’s your new hire:
What about guys like Musgrave and Doubs running wide open in the playoff game?
I think being a former All Pro player plus developing 2 All Pro players in just 3 seasons coaching is a pretty good start to a resume. Clear knows how to get the most out of talented players. Worked under two SB winning HC (Reid, McCarthy).
Scheme is scheme, there are only a couple of proven genius coaches in this league that really know how to manipulate offenses with personnel and scheme…Belichick, Bowles, Fangio, maybe a couple others. In general though these guys like Saleh and Wilks and Quinn are riding talent and culture. They’re not doing anything complicated and controversially, they’re probably not doing anything that Barry isn’t doing. No one wants to play hard for Barry like they do for those guys because they know he’s a dolt. I mean hell we just heard Greg Olsen talk about how the vaunted 49ers D is built to play with a lead, teams literally dont run at them and they aren’t built for it. Best bet for GB, unless you want a retread like Martindale who, to me is a poor man’s Dom Capers, is a motivator who will get this group playing to their talent. Maybe that’s Harris I don’t know, he’s definitely starting out strong developing CBs.
You got Wink and Riverboat Ron out there. I don't want to hear any shit about the " game passing them by" either. Dick LeBeau was 4000 years old and cranking out top defenses.
The reality with Martindale is that he looked like a genius in Baltimore and nowhere else when he’s been a coordinator. I think he looked great as the Giants coordinator compared what came before him and they did have some really good moments, they really weren’t any better under him than GB has been under Barry in the end.
Rivera is a good suggestion. He’s had legit success everywhere he’s been. I’m curious if he’s interested in even being a DC again though or if he’s only looking for HC jobs. I don’t think the game has passed him by though. Lebeau wanted to back to being a DC, he seems like he hated being a HC.
When Rivera got fired he said he wanted to still coach but not be a head guy.
@Fandame posted:I thought I read somewhere that he really wanted to be a HC?
The question is: do you want someone like Martindale with a lot of experience who will bring in his own scheme, or do you want a younger guy who might not have the experience but may be more innovative?
Bring in your scheme, Wink. All those creative blitzes? Yummy!
Fuck scheme…these are your guys, figure out how you fit in to their best abilities and call each game, each play in accordance.
@Boris posted:I agree with this 100%
Thought Joe Barry did a really great job today 🤷♂️ https://t.co/1pyWy3Xl6y
— Andy Herman (@AndyHermanNFL) January 21, 2024
Andy Herman and Aaron Nagler said on their joint podcast, that they think that Barry may be back next season. It's not what they really want to happen and it is mostly based on how JB did down the stretch, etc. Nagler has been very verbal about how horrible Barry's defensive schemes were, all season long. They also hinted that Gute and Co may go Defense heavy this draft, again and early, as Gute and Co may think they need to get better players in those positions. Maybe Savage is gone? Stokes? Campbell? Trading these guys for Draft Picks??? Who knows? At this point, nothing would surprise me.
Please, no. No Barry again. We've seen this movie for several years now, and we all know how it ends.
I like Frenchy, but keeping JB this year is borderline fireable action. We were starting year 1 of a new era and it was a chance to learn and start progressing in a new system under new leadership... That year of growth opp for the defense is gone. Yes, he had a run of decent play calling when it seemed like all was lost after the Carolina game, but that does not excuse him putting us in that position.
If Frenchy runs him back yet again, he is never going to be the guy who wins a Trophy. If he cannot see that this man is a detriment to the team then he should not be the leader.
— Tyler (@TylerHerrick) January 22, 2024
I'm thinking....I'm THINKING!!
Can someone put a pancake on Joe's head? 
Joe will be gone. I've been wrong before but I don't think I am this time.
This team needs an infusion of young blood at the DC position. Someone like Joe Whitt (currently in Dallas) could be an option too.
Last year at his "wrap up" presser MLF said that he expected no coaching changes ....this year he didn't say that.
@Tschmack posted:Joe Barry is a fucking no talent hack and anyone that defends him needs to give up their man card, ambition and results card, and renounce USA at the same time. And that includes pretty boy MLF if he wants to go there.
This POS has skated his way to a job he’s surely not qualified for. Check the stats, review the KPIs, he’s a 4 time loser.
If you’ve worked long enough there’s a Joe Barry in your life. Some no talent kiss ass hack that got there not based on what they did but who they knew and may have sucked some D on the way there (pun intended).
Fuck him and anyone that supports him. Unless you believe the bottom 25% is sweet. Let Malaysia celebrate that suckage. Or some 8th world country. Fuck football you back this dipshit go support some 114th world nation where it’s OK to be 178th place.
I’m about America first and Joe Bury like 1500000000 next. Eat shit brah.
I've never liked Joe Barry more than I have after reading this post.
Look at the Jets at #3 with that putrid offense they had this year....
Can you imagine if the Packers had a defense like that? With their current offense?!?! SF, would be crapping themselves worse than what was happening Saturday Night. Every team would be. That's what I want.
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@PackerHawk posted:I'd like to know how Dallas got to #5.
They only played the Packers once.
@Boris posted:Joe will be gone. I've been wrong before but I don't think I am this time.
This team needs an infusion of young blood at the DC position. Someone like Joe Whitt (currently in Dallas) could be an option too.
You would think so. He only gave Pettine 2 seasons, Barry has gotten 3 with really no progress made. You can make an argument the performance of the talent has gone way down on defense from 2021 to 2023 despite there being a lot of talent in place. You would imagine a guy like Demeco Ryans would be able to reach Quay in a different way and have him playing faster and harder. Same with several of these guys we see kind of underperform.
LaFleur seems overly cautious about the personality he brings in I think is a big part of it. Martindale is gone from NY because he and Daboll couldn’t coexist…seems like Daboll is an asshole, but did Martindale have the same issue with Harbaugh? I don’t know, but if he’s a difficult personality I can’t see MLF being interested. Probably why he picked Barry, someone he knew and had worked with. I would expect that he will look at someone like Titans DC Shane Bowen (worked together in TN), Jets Safety Coach Marquand Manual (Saleh connection), maybe former Chargers HC Brandon Staley even though they didn’t work together there’s still the McVay connection.
To get rid of Barry, MLF needs to have someone better in mind who is available and he can trust. If that doesn't exist, he's going to stick with Barry.
MLF said it in his end of season presser. The reason the team didn't fall apart mid-season when some cracks were forming is because the coaching staff didn't fall apart. Starts with the coaches.
People forget being a DC isn't just about coaching. It's about coaching, scheme, play calling and meshing well with the rest of the coaching staff. This is why nepotism runs wild in the NFL because head coaches want a staff they know they can trust. Hard to take a flier on some guy you've never worked with before.
Good points guys.....I just have this feeling MLF was doing most of the heavy lifting with the defensive improvements.
That ain't going to fly over the course of 17 games plus (hopefully) playoffs.
I've been thinking about this situation, not only Barry specifically, but a HC having to decide to fire a coach in general. I can imagine that most staff's do things outside of football together. I'm sure it varies, but perhaps the wives know each other and become friends, maybe live in the same neighborhood, kids go to the same school, can you imagine having to tell your wife you're firing this guy and his family is going to have to leave town? I know that is what you sign up for, but it must be tough. Very different situation but I kept my wife totally away from my coaching (which she was glad of!) to avoid any messiness.
NFL "Not For Long" if you're a HC and keep a shitty coach around so his family doesn't have to leave town, there will be a Mayflower parked outside your own house before you know it!
Three year record seems pretty clear to me that the defense just hasn't been good enough and I trust MLF to reach the same conclusion.
@Boris posted:Good points guys.....I just have this feeling MLF was doing most of the heavy lifting with the defensive improvements.
That ain't going to fly over the course of 17 games plus (hopefully) playoffs.
Great points everyone. I truly believe the talent on defense is there and has been there for years it just hasn't had the scheme to support it. It has to be rough firing a person you know well and perhaps are really good friends. But, they both would know this is a tough business and its going to happen.
@FLPACKER posted:I've been thinking about this situation, not only Barry specifically, but a HC having to decide to fire a coach in general. I can imagine that most staff's do things outside of football together. I'm sure it varies, but perhaps the wives know each other and become friends, maybe live in the same neighborhood, kids go to the same school, can you imagine having to tell your wife you're firing this guy and his family is going to have to leave town? I know that is what you sign up for, but it must be tough. Very different situation but I kept my wife totally away from my coaching (which she was glad of!) to avoid any messiness.
Listen to the wives sit with the wives
It's a bottom line business. You either win or you're gone....not easy....that's why you get paid millions $$$
A change in Green Bay: Joe Barry will not return as the #Packers’ defensive coordinator, per sources. pic.twitter.com/XDPyrUC0wC
— Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) January 24, 2024
Thank you
Packers fans right now pic.twitter.com/vZ5baoibJk
— Anthony Russo (@Anthony_Russo97) January 24, 2024
